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RNG Plays Pokémon

So, apparently there's a similar stream going on called "RNG Plays Pokémon", which, rather than being run through chat commands, is run entirely through a random number generator as far as deciding the button to press. Is this possibly worth noting on this page? Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 07:55,2/17/2014 (UTC)

There's a bunch of parodies and spin-offs (like the one that plays Tetris using the button inputs from this stream), none of which are anywhere near as popular. I don't think any specific ones need to be noted. --SnorlaxMonster 09:39, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
I think that the derivatives of Twitch Plays Pokémon warrant some mention, at least, as they indicate the far-spanning influence of the original stream. Even just a sentence or two would suffice; we could also source a Kotaku article, which mentions the Tetris connectivity amidst other similar streams. For what it's worth, [the Wikipedia article] pertaining to this event/stream also has a sentence/paragraph of the various derivatives as well, with several webpages used as references. Fenyx4 (talk) 03:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Since the TPP channel has moved on to Crystal, would it be worth mentioning that a side channel completed Crystal version on the same day TPP completed Red? --GARY-DOS (talk) 03:53, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Helix Fossil

We need to mention the Helix Fossil's state of being an internet meme. People on Twitch seem to worship it like a god. Satoshi Bakura (talk) 14:14, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Could this be the realization of in-game Pokemopolis? I'm curious, if the game was modded so all 151 are obtainable, where does one acquire the dome fossil? --GARY-DOS (talk) 18:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Tossed Items

I noticed there wasn't any record of items that have been tossed. This seems like a pretty notable thing since they've all been accidental and there are bound to be more items tossed in the future due to the 100,000+ people bumbling around in the chat. I know for sure there have been two moonstones and a nugget tossed. Should the be added to the page though? Iemongel (talk) 23:29, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

That might be a nice addition to the Items section. --FireGambit (talk) 17:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
I have the html ready so I'll go ahead and add it if there aren't any objections. Iemongel (talk) 23:25, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Although I think most items have already begun to be added, I like the idea of documenting the various tossed items in the article. Fenyx4 (talk) 03:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
The sections were removed on 10:38 & 10:53, 12 March 2014‎ by SnorlaxMonster (→‎Progress: Tossed items really don't matter)(→‎Items: Same goes for these). I personally thought they were interesting but administration says otherwise :\ Rcmaehl (talk) 02:27, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

PC section

Should we make the PC section collapsible? I noticed that SnorlaxMonster removed it, but I think it would be nice if we at least gave readers the option to minimize; it's getting larger and larger. I have the code ready, if we decide to go through with this. --FireGambit (talk) 18:54, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Meme section

We could use a section about various memes that have come from this. it's important in showing popularity/impact. Lu-igi board (talk) 20:49, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I feel that the memes (particularly the Helix Fossil) do merit mention within the article, although I haven't seen most meme references (particularly ones like Slowpoke and Seaking) on Bulbapedia. If we can't provide a section/mention of the memes, maybe an external link to [this webpage] would suffice...? Fenyx4 (talk) 03:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Maybe we could make a seperate article called Mythology of Twitch Plays Pokémon or something similar. Mariofan99 (talk) 20:48, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I disagree with a meme section in general for most things. I vehemently disagree with a page on TPP memes, especially at that title. First, that titles is pretty misleading, as using mythology is just a way of getting around saying "memes". Memes in general at most a mention on the page it's relevant to, and I haven't seen anything for these memes that show that they're worth having a page to themselves. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 21:37, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
My personal two cents: Generally, I also think memes are not notable. Any of the non-TPP-related memes I've actually heard of (Mudkip or Seaking) are not mentioned here on the wiki, either. I wouldn't be opposed to maybe an index of memes in the Appendix space (something like Appendix:Fan terminology) but that's a whole other can of worms. Anyway, I think it's not notable for regular articles. I think the impact on the fandom is more interesting anyway (some ppl have made fanart for the Pokémon parties used in the TPP games, etc...) but even I dunno if that's notable either. :P --ZestyCactus 21:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Continuing coverage?

Should we continue updating this page for the next challenge? If so, should we move the first play through to a sub page? - Chosen of Mana 22:23, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

If we do, the boxed and released Pokémon and such could be condensed into one drop-down show/hide box (I don't know what the heck they're called). There's really no point to have a listing of items; someone coming to this page to learn about TPP isn't going to glean any information from a list of items the player had at one point. Glik (talk) 23:11, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Anarchy/Democracy

We should probably explain what these are, as some people (myself included) have no idea. --Wynd Fox 20:12, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

They are already explained in the gameplay section (and honestly, almost everyone does know what they are).--Den Zen 20:18, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Crystal forces democracy every hour, though (the game started on Anarchy by the way). Eridanus (talk) 20:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Section Reordering and Splitting

It's my opinion that the Progress and Gameplay sections should either be moved above the Pokémon Red section or split into one for each game. I'd actually do this myself, however since it would be such a large edit, I'd rather gain a consensus first. - unsigned comment from Rcmaehl (talkcontribs)

Emerald restart chaos

Guess what? It got restarted again, except now with T being saved. Should we change accordingly as the again-restarted game proceeds, or wait until another restart and keep T in? ZappaOMati 01:15, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, might as well hide "A" until a save or another restart occurs. ZappaOMati 01:18, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Emerald countdown games

During the Emerald countdown, Mob has played non-Pokemon games, including but not limited to Sonic (not sure which) and Telefang. Eridanus (talk) 08:46, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Problem

In the Pokémon subsection of the Pokémon Emerald section below the subsection there was a bunch of sections that is shown and hidden, could someone fix the problem? --Cinday123 (Talk) 02:59, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Appears to have been fixed. --Pokechu22 (talk) 03:12, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
And thanks to the user Cold, it's no longer going to hide. --Cinday123 (Talk) 03:21, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Error

There seems to be an error in the Fire Red section: Mew's nickname should be on the page (it's Marc) and Lileep is shown as a Quagsire. StongRadd (talk) 17:50, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Released section for HeartGold

Hello, I created the released section for Kenya (since he was released) but since I'm not very good with coding the boxes, etc. it's messed up. It would be nice if someone could fix this. Thank you.Nyamini (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

In-Game Name Colour

In the FireRed section where it explains the in-game stream name colours, it specifically states that the colour for those who participated in Pokémon Crystal is blue. If you check the stream, you will in fact see this is purple. Can we get a fix for this, please? Thanks.

(P.S. I know the change is already there, I was told on my talk that it was reverted, but then someone reverted it back (and no, it wasn't me), so this is now here for... conduct, I guess.) - PersonWithEyes (talk) 18:06, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Intermissions

I think it is notable which Pokemon games were played during the intermissions:

  • Pokémon Pinball
  • Pokémon Puzzle Challenge
  • Pokémon Trading Card Game
  • Pokémon of the Past DX (The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX hack)
  • Pokémon Land GB (Super Mario Land hack)
  • Pokémon Adventure ("Sonic 3D Blast 5" hack)
  • Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire
  • Game Boy Advance Video: Pokémon
  • Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team
  • Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky
  • Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team
  • Pokémon Conquest

..and a lot of non-Pokemon games. by: http://helixpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Intermission - unsigned comment from Asmod96 (talkcontribs)

Navigation Box

I have created an infobox in my sandbox (I'll translude below) to help jumping between the sub pages for each game easier. Wondering if it should be implemented?


Generation I: Red
Generation II: Crystal
Generation III: EmeraldRandomized FireRed
Generation IV: PlatinumRandomized HeartGold
Generation V: BlackBlaze Black 2
Generation VI: X

--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 16:00, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

But there aren't subpages for each game. Were there when you made this? Flarn2006 (talk) 05:36, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
There was for everything but maybe X. I was going through said pages when I realised you had to go back the main page ti switch between games.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 06:29, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

A code that forces evolution

What? That isn't exactly clear on what it actually does...Does it force all Pokémon to evolve instantly, or does it make it so that it cannot be canceled. Perhaps it should be made clearer on the page.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 20:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

It does exactly what it implies, it forces an evolution that cannot be cancelled.--ForceFire 02:06, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Is there real evidence?

I noticed where it talked about the stream's host, it Implies the streamer as "she" but is there real evidence it's a "she"?SuperShroom63 (talk) 04:31, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Nope. I'll edit that out now. Darrman (talk) 16:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Edit Limit

Can that be hidden until it starts up again, I can't see it being edited lots before it restarts in November? I want to hide it now but feel like we should have a community vote on it (or at least get Admin/Editorial Board permission to removed it temporarily.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 20:37, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I was thinking of suggesting this same thing. Aside from moving everything from the last run to an X-titled subpage, all that would really be left to do on this page until the ORAS startup in November would be grammatical/formatting edits, and having a 6-hour limit for what really only boils down to something that simple seems a tad unnecessary. Obviously it would be needed to be put back when it starts up again. But that's for the board to decide, I would gather. I don't even give a Schif (TalkContribs) 18:24, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm gonna have to support this too. I was just about to suggest it as well. Flarn2006 (talk) 05:35, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Bad quality?

I don't want to remove the notice without checking first, because of the edit limit, but what about this article doesn't meet Bulbapedia's quality standards? It looks pretty good to me. AGGRON989 20:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Don't see anything myself, but ask a few others first.Flanl (talk) 23:15, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

There is hidden text on the page that says what needs doing:
TO DO:
- Fix tenses
- Confirm Released Pokemon are sorted Chronologically and correct if not (GEN 1 & 2)
- Confirm Inventory/PC Items are sorted the same way they are in the save file and correct if not (GEN 2 Only)

--Spriteit (talk) 01:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I put the notice there because several items on the page are badly outdated, one of the first things I noticed being the Host section but there's several more. There's also several places where info would better belong in a different section or is badly organized in general. Blueapple128 (talk) 18:14, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Remove 6-hour limit?

Is the limit necessary at this point? If I recall correctly it was implemented only due to how extremely popular the original Red run was such that people were updating the stats continuously. It's been well over a year since then and activity has lessened considerably. Finally, as of the current season and based on the streamer's personally-stated plans, there will only be an active run for short periods of time with long Battle Revolution intermissions in between, during which the limit essentially has no purpose. Blueapple128 (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

I would agree, however according to the article a new run of Alpha Sapphire will start in a couple days, which would likely once again start people editing this page as every little change happens. Maybe after that's over remove the limit. Litwick96 (talk) 04:11, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
How about moving the notice to only the section that contains the current run? (The word "article" could be changed to "section".) Then if users want to make cleanup edits to other runs' sections, that would be OK to do within 6 hours. Blueapple128 (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
I don't even know if that's possible, and if it is it might be more trouble to implement than it's worth. After this run is over though I personally don't see any reason to continue limiting edits on the page. Litwick96 (talk) 23:04, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Are you implying that this is the last run? Flarn2006 (talk) 04:09, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
No, I did not mean to imply that. I suppose a more specific way to state my opinion would be to only limit edits on this page during active games, and not restricting it between them. Saying that out loud though does make it sound like an awful lot of admin attention on this one page. Litwick96 (talk) 06:05, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

"Episode"?

I'm a frequent member of the Twitch Plays Pokemon subreddit and have never heard of playthroughs ever referred to as an "episode", only as a "run". Where did this term come from? Blueapple128 (talk) 16:41, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. I think it just followed logically after classifying each season to further classify each run as an episode. I thought it might help a few years down the line when we're on run 23 and trying to refer to something that happened in a specific run (so instead of Run 21, we would use S04 E03 - I think that's easier to find and easier to think about). Also I thought Season/Episode classification would make more intuitive sense to someone who is only discovering TPP for the first time, since that's the kind of thing they'd be used to. --K I P | Talk 07:35, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
To me it doesn't seem like the best term -- I can understand it, but it doesn't feel right for some reason. It seems like it still would be possible to say "Season 4 Run 3" or something like that, though. --Pokechu22 (talk) 16:15, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
That could work, so long as we had the 'episode' moniker in at least once so people can draw the comparison. So the first sentence would read: During a run, analogous to an episode, the channel’s format is fairly simple. Then after that, we can just replace all instances of 'Episode' with 'Run'. --K I P | Talk 22:57, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

TPP Link Template?

Having a link template to refer to specific runs or seasons would save a lot us of hassle, and it'd be useful on other parts of the wiki if you need to refer to a specific episode rather than just linking to the TPP article and having people find it themselves. At the moment, if we wanted to link to Run 3 of Season 1 for example we'd use [[Twitch Plays Pokémon/Season 1#R03: Pokémon Emerald|Season 1 Run 3]]. I think something like {{tpp|S01|R03}} displaying as Season 1 Run 3 would be a lot simpler to use. You could also use it to link to seasons on their own (i.e. {{tpp|S02}} would display as Season 2). It could also be expanded, so {{tpp2|S02|E03}} would display as Twitch Plays Pokémon: Season 2 for instance. --K I P | Talk 10:23, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

TCGO code

So, apparently "TWITCHPLAYSPOKEMON" was a code on the TCGO at one point (Source). This looks like it's on a Twitch stream (due to this). Could someone look into what was streaming at the time, and if the stream is archived so that we can link to it here? --SnorlaxMonster 02:30, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I've made some enquires on the TPP Reddit page (thread is here), and it looks as though this was a giveaway in the 2014 Pokémon World Championships on 16th August 2014. It should be somewhere in this 13 hour video and is likely to be at the end of a TCG match, though we are not sure where. I'll report back if we find it, but in the meantime could we get away with just linking the video without giving a timecode? --Kip | Talk 21:43, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Update: I've skipped through that video and there are some large chunks missing, so we may have lost the actual part where the giveaway is. There are some other giveaways very similar to the one using the TPP code in a video taken the next day, and the commentators make a direct reference to the "10,000 packs" giveaway here; from this we can at least infer that it is genuine and did happen on the official stream. Based on that I think it's notable enough putting the screen capture in the Impact section, as well as mentioning it in that section (if there are no objections). --Kip | Talk 23:40, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Season Subpages Re-structure

Last November, I proposed a re-organasation of the season pages following a cleaner and concise structure. Details are here.

If there are no objections, I'll make a start on it. I'll leave the topic of link structure until later on, when it can be brought up for discussion again. --Kip | Talk 10:02, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Criticisms

Should criticisms be covered for this article? I think the article is a bit lopsided, introducing bias when it should be neutral. Such criticisms include the streamer being controversial with his powers over the stream and his viewers, the format becoming too easy compared to how difficult it was for the first run ever, staleness, overly used Pokémon Battle Revolution play, dwindling viewership, and so many more criticisms. --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) 04:20, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like fine viewpoints to add mostly. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:15, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not altogether sure that's such a good idea. Ideally the page needs to only include what's encyclopaedically and factually relevant. Internal battles within the community, whether the games are getting easier to play, whether the runs are getting dull or repetitive and whether Battle Revolution is being used too much are all a matter of individual opinion - if anything, this would introduce bias to an otherwise neutral article. The declining vieweship has already been addressed ("...the community has downsized considerably since the first season..."). --Kip | Talk 14:30, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
The way Twitch Plays Pokémon works could be considered a whole different game compared to the single player only counterpart, such as the participant and strategic side of games like Team Fortress 2 and the MMO genre (not so much of the mechanics found in them, such as those found in League of Legends or Dota 2, but for the sake of argument, this thing has many participants playing a game). Any online game needs community managers to make sure that it is fun for as many people as possible. Using this way to define Twitch Plays Pokémon, this can be considered a game and not a channel. A game is and should be open to criticism, so should Twitch Plays Pokémon be? I'll leave that open for debate. If not, then we critique it from a media point of view, such as a movie or TV show. If still not, does that mean that Bulbapedia just documents anything Pokémon and that's it? --Wildgoosespeeder (talk) 05:19, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Oh absolutely - games and subsequently game staff should be open to criticism as much as anything else, and criticism of Twitch Plays Pokémon certainly does exist. The only issue is drawing the line of encyclopaedic relevancy (since Bulbapedia is an encyclopaedia, not a review site). For me, criticism only becomes encyclopaedically relevant if there is a near-pan-universal criticism that the majority of users will hold in some degree, or criticism by the majority of verified experts in that field, ideally in so it affects something so profoundly that changes are implemented. If, for example, criticism of the staff was leveed by a clear majority of users and led to a measurable drop in views, a noticeable boycott of the stream or a significant shift in staff policies, that would definitely warrant a mention. If the criticism was leveed by a majority of professional critics or game reviewers, this would also warrant a mention. However, the criticism in this case is primarily on the channel's subreddit (itself a portion of the whole community), and even then, only a subset of the users on that subreddit. That criticism is also disputed by a significant number of other users, and the majority appear to try and avoid it altogether. It's therefore dubious to note criticisms that only a section of a section of Twitch Plays Pokémon community members hold (those criticisms' in themselves being disputed), since this misrepresent the majority of users and risk damaging the neutrality of the article. --Kip | Talk 16:48, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
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