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Who is Z?

Does anybody know here who this so-called Phantom Ruler Z is? MamoswineGliscor 02:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

No. The movie isn't even close to being out yet. 梅子 02:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
It's a movie not a username. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Probably a Gen V Pokémon, knowing how the past three movies have released an initial title, and then later revealed a "new" (event) Pokémon from DPPt... considering there's no more right now... we may have the beginning of Gen V on our hands. However, no matter what I think, no speculation please. TTEchidna 06:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

ok so it has been confirmed uyygjg.jpg this pokemon is pokemon z - unsigned comment from Ayotui (talkcontribs)

In case anyone is wondering, Zoroark is Z. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 14:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Should that go in the article? Until it's confirmed(even though it's obvious) it's technically speculation.--Mtn otter We lie in wait...... 15:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
It is confirmed. I think it should go in. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 15:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me or is Zorark totally Kickass

It was never confirmed that Zoroark is Z. That is still speculation. Obvious, yes. Confirmed, no.--Mtn otter We lie in wait...... 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
It is confirmed. See the logo:


Santer 15:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
  Z is probobly Zoroark considering Zoroark is the star of the movie & its name starts with a Z. (Munchy Lax) 20:49, 3 June 2010 (EST)
It was confirmed. Please also note the date the last comment was put in this discussion. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 00:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

How is there already ratings?

Especially for Australia?--Midnight Blue 04:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, when were they confirmed? CuboneKing (Planet CuboneBone Club) 04:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if I can edit it.--Midnight Blue 04:56, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I can. CuboneKing (Planet CuboneBone Club) 04:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Did I leave one in there? My bad. TTEchidna 06:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Lugia and Ho-oh

Is this the same movie that has the battle between Lugia and Ho-oh in it? Taromon 13:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Though Lugia and Ho-oh were not showed in this particular trailer, the image of them battling still remains on the official movie website, so yeah it's the same... Lugia and Ho-oh's roles just aren't known yet (Yaminokame 14:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC))

So, why don't we list those two Pokémon, and take out that last trivia fact? They're going to be there; absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The teaser showed them, and that's that.--Skulblaka Shurtugal 23:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I point to Palkia in movie 11. It was on the first poster and, oh look, not in the movie. TTEchidna 07:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, being in the first poster is a bit different from being in first teaser, in my opinion. There were other movies which posters contained Pokémon that not participated in the movie itself. Jirachi: Wish Maker for example, with Treecko and Mudkip. However, it may be better to wait further information. -- RikkiKitsune 16:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Either way, it'll be out in July. We'll find out more before then, but that's gonna be when our answer is. TTEchidna 10:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Come to think of it, there were loads of Pokémon on the Mewtwo Strikes Back poster that weren't in the movie. Taromon 15:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I suspect that the two of them are going to appear in the opening sequence of the movie, like how most of the Legendaries have appeared in the introductions of the most recent movies.--Webspidrman 03:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Diamond And Pearl?

Why Is This Classed As A Diamond And Pearl Series? Surely It Should Be In The Heart Gold And Soul Silver Series. Anyone Agree? After All The DP Trilogy Ended If I Remember Rightly! --Manaphy1 16:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

No. 梅子 16:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
No confirmation has been made about any new series, or about the DP series ending. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the DP series logo is used on the movie website. May I remind you that the Battle Frontier seasons were in the same series as the Hoenn seasons? I don't think it's likely they'll create a new series for HGSS. Possible, but not likely. --electAbuzzzz 16:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I highly, HIGHLY doubt they're creating a HGSS series; they're about to give DP a new opening theme! So yes, this will most definitely be a DP movie. (Also way to make my first reply look totally unhelpful, Buzz. 梅子 16:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
It's still the DP series, just like how AG didn't become a FRLG series or an Emerald series. We have a different colorscheme for Battle Frontier, LMM, and PRTOTS because it focuses on the Emerald features, so this has an HGSS colorscheme because it focuses on HGSS's features; likely Season 13 or 14 will, too. Undoubtedly, I'd say, we'll be having Movie 14 be in Johto as well. TTEchidna 22:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

so its considered to fall in the DPPt series until further notice, that's all to it from now on I suggest.--Nobody777 10:58, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

There is no "DPPt" series. There's the DP series. And it will continue to fall into that series until all eternity, unless they'll decide to start a new series, which is extremely unlikely. Conversation over. Stop talking about it. --electAbuzzzz 13:41, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
It's not unlikely. It just won't happen until Gen V. HGSS is Gen IV. As long as Dawn's around, it will be DP. TTEchidna 07:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

And why couldn't the anime have a hgss series? Original series - gen 1 and 2.Hoenn- gen 3 (ruby and saphire), the battle frontier - fire red and leaf green versions.Sinnoh - gen 4 (Diamond, pearl and platinium), and as hgss came out, the anime will probably follow ash's journey to Johto once more. - unsigned comment from Tomas (talkcontribs)

Oy. You just don't understand what we're talking about. We're not saying the anime won't follow HGSS, of course it will, just that those seasons will still fall into the Diamond & Pearl series, in the same way that the Battle Frontier seasons were still a part of the Advanced Generation series. --electAbuzzzz 14:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Well yes, on my understanding they should fall into the DP series.--WikiTomas 16:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

actual name

its actually phantom champion Z, its the champion kanji not the ruler, please rename.--Nobody777 18:27, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

It can be translated as champion, but I chose the "ruler" translation instead so as not to cause confusion with the Pokemon League title of Champion. 梅子 18:42, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

No, its not what you think will be confused, bulbapedia should be a reliable source of info not one that goes with whatever we users want so some admin should change the name once and for all.--Nobody777 13:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you're getting this... Phantom Champion Z is not an "official" name either (It's the one I came up with and Serebii used actually lol... XD ) All three of the translations out there are just fine, and no one is better than the other... At this point we don't know enough about the story or the characters in it to make an accurate judgment of what the proper translation should be, so therefore it should stay "Phantom Ruler Z" until something is revealed that suggests otherwise, which might not even happen because it could be 100% accurate. (Yaminokame 14:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC))

All right, to either clear up or further confuse the issue, here's what those words are:
幻影: a vision; a phantom; a ghost; a hallucination. Something that appears real but isn't.
覇者: ruler; conqueror; winner; champion; titleholder. Either a monarch who rules by force, or the winner in a competition or contest.
Judging from years past, whatever translation we choose, it will be inaccurate, and it will continue to be used long after better ones are available. --Murgatroyd 04:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Umm... I don't speak Japanese but I did find an online translator. It told me that "幻影の覇者 ゾロアーク" means "Champion Zoroark of Illusion". Spenfen 23:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
I do believe that actual people who speak Japanese (from this section: me and Yaminokame) ultimately trump online translators. 梅子 23:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

How do we know his name is The Phantom?

I'm curious b/c I don't remember anyone saying anything.--Midnight Blue 06:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Uh what? If you're talking about that pirate guy, he was in movie 9. This likely has nothing to do with him... it's like how there've been several Jimmies, but only one has encountered Raikou. TTEchidna 10:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
No, someone added into the article something along the lines of "he is called the Phantom" but it's already been taken care of :p (Yaminokame 10:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC))
Most likely got it from Serebii's jump-to-conclusion that "Meanwhile, Ash meets up with a Phantom Champion, a shadowed character whom looks identical to him." That's not fact yet, Joe.--Mew a.k.a. Immewnity was here at 21:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon A and B...yet again

the title says it all, the mystery guessing game is back with the merchandise, A: New Pokemon A. B: New pokemon DP. thats the description of both, I would like some trusted admin to add the information if possible.--Nobody777 17:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC) Ah yes, On feb 15 corocoro will provide a sample of info officially--Nobody777 17:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that Pokémon A & B thing isn't really important because they are just names of the plush lines. ポケモンぬいぐるみDP (Pokémon Plush DP) and the newer line NEWポケモンぬいぐるみ (NEW Pokémon Plush), so I really don't see much sense in adding that information here :p (Yaminokame 00:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC))

if such , so what's thhe difference between NEW pokemon and pokemon DP?--Nobody777 09:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

NEW Pokemon Plush and Pokemon Plush DP are just different names of the lines, I'm not really sure why they did it, they just did :/ Yaminokame 10:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

New Movie Pokémon

New merchandise shows Lugia, Ho-oh and Mightyena. --The Great Butler 06:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Should that image be added to the article?--SnorlaxMonster 06:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
No, that image will not be added. We need a full, high quality picture. (by: Ruixiang95) 10:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Save it for beta article maybe. tc²₆tc26 14:58, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
beta article for the movie? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 15:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Gen. V game. They might change something about this Pokémon before the release of the game or the movie. tc²₆tc26 15:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Mismagius & Shuppet?

In the latest scans from CoroCoro it showed Pikachu and Piplup fighting a Shuppet and Mismagius. Roryrules123 15:31 10 February 2010

Zorua and Zororak

Should they be added to the Featured Pokémon and Pokémon sections? --i herd u liek Treakos? 18:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC) Kimori-Hinoarashi

Well, seeing as they would be red links, i'm going to guess no. Shiny Pika 20:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
i would refer you hereMada-sama (Talk to me!)— 22:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Zoroark should at least be added. It's in the movie. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
We might add to the trivia that this is the second time a featured Poké has been a non-legendary with a prevo that were introduced before a generation's release. Slightly signifigant. Aura-Knight 03:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I understand adding Zoroark, but did the Coro scan say that Zoroa would be in it as well?Morgil27 16:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, since both Serebiinet and Bulbapedia say so. --i herd u liek Treakos? 19:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC) Kimori-Hinoarashi

Question, should Zororak be mentioned in the plot summery as being involved in someway? Reason being his name is in the TITLE for crying out loud, we can automatically say from that that Zororak will play a role in the plot can't we? --Superx 02:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

English title

Why is there an english title already up on this page, even if it's in invisibility tags? --The Great Butler 05:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Rumored title I think. Aura-Knight 13:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Because if it's hidden, who cares? It's there because something should be. And because, der, this is just LMM redux. TTEchidna 13:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Add debut section

I was just reading over the article, and I noticed that it doesn't have a debuts section for Zorua and Zoroark. Is this a mistake, or did I miss something and movies don't have debut sections? Spenfen

The last one does't have a debut section but the one before that does so I'm assuming that this one doesn't have a debut section yet. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 01:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
I think the debut section gets left off until we know all of the Pokémon that are going to debut. It seems highly likely that more Gen V Pokémon are going to be in the movie. Aura-Knight 23:18, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Possible Answer to Who the "Dark" version of Ash in Trailer?

The name of the movie is Phantom Ruler(or Champion)Z and Zoroark is known as the Illusionary Fox Pokémon, right? Is it possible that Zoroark created an illusion of Ash and tries to take over as a ruler of some sort? Just a thought. - unsigned comment from Legendary Catcher (talkcontribs)

It is reasonable that Zoroark actually created the illusion of Dark/Evil Ash. --Icecreamy 1234 20:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Please go to the forums for this... --ケンジガール 22:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


How do we know that Zoroua is in the movie and it is NOT mentioned? -Full of Questions Man.... I am.

What do you mean? corocoro said that it was in the movie (ゾロアークの進化前の姿でもあるゾロアもスクリーンで一足先に大暴れ!) and it's on the page, I'm not sure what you're asking/wanting done? (Yaminokame 04:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC))
Did CoroCoro say that both Zoroark and Zoroua are in the movie, or only Zoroark? R.A. Hunter Blade 04:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that Japanese quote clearly states that they will BOTH be in the movie. 梅子 04:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Just making sure. R.A. Hunter Blade 04:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

The Japanese logo, containing Zoroark's name.

Trivia worthy?

the movie will premiere on July 10, the legend of thunder part 2 aired on July 10 in the u.s. So yay or nay?--Midnight Blue 03:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd say 'Nay'. It is trivia but its not very interesting and I don't think it was on purpose. Oh and try to focus edits on the main article rather than trivia. Thank you. -- Landfish7 15:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Can someone change the trivia section? Technically the Legendary Beasts aren't in this movie or won't be until they are confirmed since the ones in the trailer are illusions.

New poster for the M13

This is a new poster from Movie13 "AngelGuardian" 09:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC) "AngelGuardian" 09:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Here is the poster alone. Someone could go ahead and delete that previous picture.–MasterKenobi 14:36, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


The problem is.. there's still some text visible.. at the lower part of the image. hope someone can fix that "AngelGuardian" 13:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


just got a link to some image from the movie! (Hg/Ss come out already! 00:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC))

Dark Ash IS indeed Zoroark

It's proven on the new official trailer. See it on Serebii - 050294 01:20, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

More like see it on Filb. TTEchidna 01:35, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

About darker Ash

I have concluded something. In the latest trailer on Flib, Zoroark is shown transforming into Ash. However, the "Zoroark Ash" is not shadowed. I think it was just the shadow of the tree Zoroark was standing by. We should make sure there is no confusion there. Spenfen 01:40, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Does it really matter? Please take it to the forums. 梅子 01:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Ninjask... to be seen in the movie. Please add it. - 050294 05:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

We can add Ninjask because it resembles those of Zero's Magnet Family.. multiples "AngelGuardian" 13:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Another one

Another poster was shown from the Pokémon Sunday..

The New Poster for M13

.. can we change the current pic.. ? "AngelGuardian" 13:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Here. tc²₆tc26 11:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Will Entei and Lugia talk?

They talked in the previous movies. Will they talk again in this one?

Dan Green Entei FTW. - unsigned comment from Attack Kitty (talkcontribs)

Entei only talked in the third movie because he was created by Molly's imagination and she wanted him to talk. But it's possible that Lugia could talk, but if this is the case then they'll probably have to make Ho-oh talk as well, otherwise they wouldn't be "equal". There's a been lots of talking Legendary Pokémon in movies lately, so who knows? Taromon 21:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
If any Pokémon is going to be talking, it's going to be Zoroark. Of course, this really should be moved to the forums! Thank You! :D -- Zoroark!!! Landfish7 16:13, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

too early to add Zoroark and Zorua and Celebi?

In the voice actor list, we have the beasts, so is it too early to add them? - unsigned comment from Midnight Blue (talkcontribs)

Why is this page not updated?

Wow, the admins are slow, lol. The website Pokébeach has the plot somewhat revealed, all true as the info is from the official Pokemon website. Here it is:

Info (From the new trailer):

Ash and crew visit Crown City to watch the Pokemon Backer World Cup. On their trip they meet a Pokemon named Zorua, who is searching for its companion; they decide to let it tag along so they can assist it. But a Pokemon named Zoroark - the "Ruler of Illusions" - is turning into Raikou, Entei, and Suicune and destroying Crown City! Also, Celebi returns after 20 years and gets into trouble. What is happening to Crown City? What could the Ruler of Illusion, Zoroark, be? And what about Celebi? Will Ash and Pikachu be able to save the city and the Pokemon?


Kodai (the evil-looking businessman) - He is the president of the giant corporation "Kodai Network." He is called the man who knows the future and is known for his ambition.
Rioka - She is a cool and intelligent woman. She is Kodai's secretary.
Kuroto - He is a newspaper reporter from Crown City. He is trying to discover Kodai's secret.
Zorua - A Pokemon that meets up with Ash and friends as they head toward Crown City. Its specialty is turning into various things.
Zoroark - A Pokemon with the ability to show illusions. It turns into Raikou, Entei, and Suicune to attack Crown City and drive the people into a panic.

As seen from the following information:

  • The legendary beasts are actually Zoroark; they do not actually appear.
  • The new character's indentities are revealed.
  • Zoroark is revealed to be an antagonist, though the reason it is is unconfirmed.
  • Zorua seems to be good, implying that Zoroark's antagonistic behavior may NOT be normal.
  • Kodai seems to be after Celebi and is most likely an antagonist.

Not seen from that text:

  • Zorua can transform, as seen in an added scene in the new trailer; it changed into a Piplup

Please, admins, add this vital info! - 050294 22:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Sheesh. Another illusion Entei? When are we ever going to see the real one? - - unsigned comment from Attack Kitty (talkcontribs)
The real Legendary Beasts could also appear; besides, Zoroark would have to have seen the real thing in order to take on their appearance. I hope the real ones are in it as well, it would be really disappointing if Raikou's first movie appearance was as an illusion, and it's about time we got to see a real Entei! Taromon 12:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Eh... Copying other site's error all the time... This time PokeBeach. The characters name is Kurt, not "Kuroto". If someone decides to start an article, then it will have to be titled as "Kurt (movie)" or something. But I'm completely AGAINST moving Kurt to "Kurt (Johto)" or something and making a disambig. The games' Kurt is too major to be disambiged with some random movie guy (movie CotDs are still CotDs). So, a headnote to Kurt article and the movie character page being titled "Kurt (movie)". But it's NOT "Kuroto". --Maxim 12:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
It's not just copying one other site. The official site for the movie has the same information as well. Spenfen 15:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

To Maxim and Taromon: This information is DIRECTLY from the official Pokémon website so it IS true. If you read my entire post you'd see me say this. You can also go to the official site itself. - 050294 20:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm NOT saying that the info is fake. I just said that the name is romanized wrong. It's Kurt, not "Kuroto". "Kuroto" is apparently an error made by WPM at PokeBeach. --Maxim 20:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
When movie Kurt gets moved to his English name (assuming they don't keep it Kurt) we can kill the topbar from Kurt's page. TTEchidna 04:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Cast update

Takanori Jin'nai (陣内孝則) has been revealed here as playing the voice of Kōdai and Koichi Yamadera (山寺宏一) has been revealed as the voice actor for the character Goon (グーン). Not sure if this is a big enough role to add or not, but Shōko Nakagawa (中川翔子) is Ploof (or however people want to Romanize it) (プルーフ). Can someone please add (at least the first two because they are important characters) those to the 'Cast' chart?.. (Yaminokame 15:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC))

I've made pages for Goon and Proof, so what remains is to add them to the cast chart. I also added a character called Joe to the template, but I didn't make a page for him because all that's known is that he has the Mightyena. --The Great Butler 02:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I changed the above to coincide with "Goon" and "Proof". Also, if it helps at all, the person named "Joe" that was mentioned above is this person as shown in the latest trailer. (Yaminokame 02:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC))
Ah, that's him? Too bad there's not a better image of him, or I could make a page for him as well. --The Great Butler 04:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon List Update!

Hey guys (more specifically admins), these Pokémon should be added in the list (they were revealed in the latest trailer).

Abomasnow, Breloom, Cranidos, Doduo, Furret, Gabite, Garchomp, Grotle, Mamoswine, Nidoking, Nidorina, Nidorino, Piloswine, Rampardos, Raticate, Rattata, Rhyhorn, Rhyperior, Sentret, Skuntank, Snover, Stantler, Staravia, Stunky, Swinub, Teddiursa, Torterra, Ursaring, Vigoroth and Zigzagoon.
Thank you. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 10:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I think it's time to update the Pokémon list because the movie has been released already. Thank you. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 15:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, I forgot about article un-protection. Anyway, I updated the list. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 16:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Can someone add something

TV Tokyo has stated the Diamond and Pearl series is going to conclude in the fall, so is it safe to put in the article that this is going to be the last Diamond and Pearl movie. --Midnight Blue 18:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


The wording in the synopsis is a bit misleading, at first glace it looks like it says Zoroark is transforming into Raikou, Entei, Suicune, and Celebi. But the bit about Celebi is a seperate part of the sentence. Taromon 19:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


I see the some ninjask in the 3rd trailer and some Beautyfly in the 4th trailer. I also seen in this image   a Missmagius and a Shuppet. Someone should to add them. Caciulacdlac

For clarification, it appears Mismagius and Shuppet are Kōdai's. --The Great Butler 06:05, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Chinese (Taiwan) title

The title in Taiwanese Chinese is 幻影之霸者 索羅亞克. The meaning is the same as in Japanese. Can someone add it? Official source. --Maxim 14:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. And it's "的", not "之". 神奇超龍 04:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


I'll just copy this from PocketMonsters:

Koichi Yamadera (山寺宏一) has once again returned to play the part of Gūn (グーン) and Shōko Nakagawa (中川翔子) has returned for her 4th Pocket Monsters movie to play the parts of Proof (プルーフ). Also in attendance were Takanori Jin'nai (陣内孝則) who voices Kōdai (コーダイ), Katō Natsuki (加藤夏希) who voices Rioka and finally Takashi Tsukamoto (塚本高史) who voices Kurt (クルト). -- The Great Butler 02:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Something to correct in the Trivia section

The part where it says "the first time Raikou gets a starring role in a movie" should be referring to theatrical movies, because of the Legend of Thunder series. (Or at least I think so. Feel free to say why not.) The only reason I'm not changing it myself is because the page is protected. Ztobor 02:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, The Legend of Thunder! is a TV special, as opposed to a full-blown movie. Werdnae (talk) 02:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Ah, so it's not considered a movie here? I don't know, I got the terminology from another site, where they distinguish between theatrical movies and "TV movies", which you call TV specials. Ztobor 03:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Well, they're called TV Specials here, so this is the first time Raikou gets a starring role in a movie.--Pokélova! 04:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


Why is Mightyena still in comments at the Pokémon it is proved it will appear: 7th picture Bigtukker 18:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon Baccer

Is a sport combining Basketball and Soccer. Bluesun 01:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

And what does that have to do with anything?--Pokélova! 04:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

When does the movie take place?

The trivia states the movie takes place between DP183 and DP184, but that's impossible. During those episodes, the group is at the Sinnoh League. I say we delete that bit of trivia, and wait until later to see when exactly the movie takes place.--Skulblaka Shurtugal 23:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

we should change it to "released between dp 183 and 184" instead of TAKE PLACE between the 2 episodes. -Pokeant 09:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree.--Skulblaka Shurtugal 20:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

bump But this doesn't answer the question of when the movie takes place. I'm saying between DP178 and DP179, because all the main characters' Pokémon are present, and they aren't in the middle of some sort of journey. It COULD happen between DP189 and DP190, but the movie premiered almost two months before that, making it unlikely. Opinions, anyone?--Long Live Pokémon! --Skulblaka Shurtugal 05:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I think, movie's story line and regular episodes' story line are two different things. Like they never mentioned during DP152 (galactic arc). Hey look it's Dialga & Palkia. They look kind of different than those which we saw in the Alamos town.
That's the only reason I can see here for premiering the movie in between DP183 and 184. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 06:01, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
What we need to know is which Pokémon Ash, Dawn, Brock and Team Rocket had, and what moves they used. What we currently have is a few Pokémon used by the main characters, but surely that isn't all of them. --SnorlaxMonster 06:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Dawn has her Togekiss, and Ash has his Infernape, but it doesn't do Fire Blitz--doesn't mean it doesn't know the move, but it COULD mean that. I'm still saying between DP178 and DP179, right before the movie premiered. Unless anybody can object to this, I'm putting that in the main article. --Long Live Pokémon! --Skulblaka Shurtugal 16:03, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
That doesn't prove it takes place in between those episodes. I can take place anytime between DP177 and DP182. --HoennMaster 19:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Pre-Order / Pre-Purchase Ticket Bonus?

So how exactly does the special bonus work? I heard you buy a colored ticket of either blue, red, or yellow and get that associated Legendary Beast. Can someone explain exactly how this works? Would it also work with an English version of the game or is it a Japanese exclusive? Any info on the Shiny Celebi that is also to come out during the movie? I'm in Japan for the next month and I'm trying to figure this stuff out so I can take advantage of it! Thanks in advanced! =) Stexe 05:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Shiny Beasts

...confirmed in movie.

Watch carefully the clip of Zoroark blowing them away with Night Burst at just past one minute, and you can clearly see a Shiny Entei and a Shiny Raikou with a Shiny Suicune in the background. I do believe this marks the first appearance of Shiny Pokémon in a movie since Ash's Noctowl? --The Great Butler 04:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


Why is the summary not updated? The movie is already out, or has no one here yet seen the movie? Spenfen 15:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

People have indeed seen it, just give them time. Not everybody has a lot of time on their hands.--Pokélova! 15:58, 17 July 2010 (UTC)



We don't seem to have any editors who have seen the movie, or if they have, any editors that are willing to write up a summary for it. Can't do it if we can't do it. 梅子 03:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Once Pokebeach posts a summary, I'll use that to update the summary here. Fair enough?--Skulblaka Shurtugal 01:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
stop being so impatient.... you can wait cant you? (Ataro 01:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC))
No, that's stealing which is not allowed here. So, just wait for someone to post it him/herself. Thank you. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 12:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Just to clear things up, he didn't say he was using the "copy pasta" method. He said he'd use it to update the summary, so it isn't stealing. Now, at the same time, he shouldn't use it because it isn't technically an official source. I'm only saying this so people reading this won't get the wrong idea. --Landfish7 21:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

14th Movie?

So, usually after each movie, there's a trailer for the next one, right? Has there been any information about the trailer after this one, yet? Morgil27 05:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, Victini appeared and said "see you next year". --SnorlaxMonster 12:17, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
You can find that trailer on the Official Japanese Pokémon Site (Holonboy 00:51, 5 November 2010 (UTC))

English Title & Poster

It's about to hit the fan...


--The Great Butler 04:27, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


Looking at the poster indicates the movie will only come out in 2011...

However browsing a normal wikipedia page that is about list of pokemon episodes I found that there is a release date of November 12th 2010!

I continue to regard bulbapedia as more reliable than general wikipedia itself, however I wonder if any of you have received any idea or indication whether it is legitimate.... I am already half believing that the date set there on the general wikipedia is misleading.

(Once you go to the page, scroll down to the movies section)

Thanks for replying and assisting us all! - unsigned comment from Cyberpedia (talkcontribs)

Wikipedia? The worst ever source on earth. It's a damn wiki which can be edited by any one, so it's a really bad source. We can never rely on wikipedia until and unless we have an official source. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 15:51, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Never trust Wikipedia.--immewnitythemew 14:06, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Jimmy or Ethan

A user recently changed Jimmy to Ethan. I did revert it, but maybe it is something for us to think about. Is there any proof it was Jimmy? Did he use his Typhlosion or Beedrill? I mean... Marina and Lyra. Only problem is that Jimmy and Ethan look nearly identical. --ケンジガール 01:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

From what I heard, all he used is his Donphan. But unlike Marina and Lyra, Jimmy and Ethan look too similar to be changed..I guess we'll have to wait for the DVD? Ataro 01:20, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, Kris and Lyra are different characters, so that's why there is Marina and Lyra. --SnorlaxMonster 01:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Still, I think it's something to look into. It will stay Jimmy for now, and forever if nothing is proven. It probably most likely is Jimmy, but you can never be too sure. --ケンジガール 01:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I haven't seen the movie yet, but Jimmy has purple hair, and the part that sticks out of his hat is extremely exaggerated, unlike Ethan's who (from what I've seen in game artwork) has darker hair, and the part is natural looking. Does anyone have screenshots? Littlmiget123 02:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Nupz, no screenshots. DVD will be available on 17th Dec, so we just have to wait for 3 more days. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 02:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
A screenshot of the scene is on the forums... and to be honest, I don't think it looks that much like Jimmy. The hair is a completely different colour and style, and the booklet that came out with the film simply referred to him as 'Trainer'... I'm pretty certain the Donphan trainer wasn't Jimmy. Watchermark 14:56, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
I'd love to see it. Can you post the link? Littlmiget123 15:04, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
zoroarkmovie01.png Watchermark 15:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Hm, interesting. It doesn't really look all that much like Jimmy. The hair's darker and shorter, especially the bangs. I'm actually not sure if it's Jimmy or not. 0-e Littlmiget123 15:46, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Keep in mind that people animating the show, the style and the techonology used by them have all changed greatly since Legend of Thunder. --Maxim 15:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

(starting over indent) That's exactly why I didn't say I'm convinced it isn't Jimmy, lol. Littlmiget123 16:12, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I said that to everyone. Don't be so selfish. :P --Maxim 16:13, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Maybe the style and the tech of the show has changed but character designs rarely do. Marina's didn't... Watchermark 16:20, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm not allowed to voice my opinon Maxim? :P But, I'm not sure if it's Jimmy or not, still. The coloring method has changed, so his hair could be darker (like Jessie's). It would be nice to see this from a different angle. Maybe we should wait until a clip comes out? Littlmiget123 17:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
kenta_edited.png This image just lists him as "Trainer" so it's probably not him Ataro 23:13, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
I will never understand the Pokémon anime... --Maxim 09:44, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
It's not something you always want to understand :P Honestly, I have to agree with Watchermark, they didn't change Marina's design and I doubt they would change Jimmy this drastically. It's probably Ethan. --HoennMaster 13:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't put it past them to redesign a character, if only to match the Sugimori artwork. Ash got a redesign just like that with no reason right? J-J-M 14:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Also, whoever he is, this cameo isn't notable of his own article. So, maybe add him into Jimmy's article as a "lookalike" or something (it's not the first time we'd do something like that, is it?). --Maxim 15:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, put him in Jimmy's article as a lookalike? He should also be put in Ethan's page ala Lucas and Brendan. Pocketfanmk 20:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


I changed a bit of the plot of the movie while I was watching the movie again. I'm Portuguese, so my English can be kinda bad. If I comitted any mistaken in grammar, please modify it. Thanks.


I was watching the movie on Cartoon Network today, and I noticed that the usual scene in which the narrator explains the world of Pokémon was missing. When I checked online, I found out that the entire beginning scene where Zorua escapes was also missing. Does anybody know why? (Holonboy 00:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC))

They do this with other movies too. It's to save time and it cost $$$ to air in the prime time slot. - Vhayes1992 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I definitely believe you on that. Though, Cartoon Network had 15 minutes left over before the next hour, plenty of time to play the first 10 minutes that was skipped. I'm just hoping the beginning will be on the DVD release.--いぬみみ 03:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


Does a mispronounciation of Raikou count as an error? Pokabu82 01:40, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Considering that the company that dubs the show and movie gave all of the Pokémon their names, it's not wrong. --HoennMaster 01:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
and considering thats how it's supposed to be's not an error Ataro 01:52, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


I don't know for sure, but I think that in the scene where Kodai is chasing Ash, he screams "get serebii!" rather than "get celebi!" Can anyone confirm this? --SpenFen 01:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I've just seen it and thats what I heard as well I don't know if it's worthy to go in the errors section though...--だにえる - 千九百九十三 21:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
You guys are just hearing things. I've looked over it numerous times, he always says Celebi. Clearly too. --HoennMaster 22:58, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
I was hesitant to reply, but I agree with HoennMaster. I hear Celebi. - Vhayes1992 23:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Legendary beasts (M13)

This page does not link to the Legendary beasts article at all. I had to go to the legendary beasts, then find a link to the M13 versions to get there.KrytenKoro 15:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Not true. Check the Pokemon section again, it's right there. ♫♪エイディニズ♪♫ 15:13, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Oh, okay, I found it. It seems very unintuitive to me, but if it works for your readers, then forget I said anything.KrytenKoro 17:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

NO "Pokémon World" sequence in the Cartoon Network premiere.

Title basically says all, for some reason, when I watched the movie premiere on Cartoon Network, the standard "Pokémon World" sequence did not play, instead it started straight at the part where the title forms, is this a mistake by Cartoon Network since the sequence appears in the japanese version? --Landfish7 00:34, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Nvm, just read the above section on the matter. --Landfish7 00:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

New Picture?

The current picture of the movie's English poster is all pixely and gross because it is being stretched out on this article. I think that someone needs to upload a larger version of the English poster so we can use that instead without having to make it larger for this article. Team Rocket 02:14, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

If you have, you're more than welcome to replace it with a better one. ♫♪エイディニズ♪♫ 02:32, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Well, I don't have one... I was hoping someone else would. Team Rocket 02:39, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Staff credits available

A few days ago, I used a YouTube video of the opening of this film to update its credits on IMDb. The video was mirrored to evade copyright-searching programs, so I re-reversed it with Paint in order to read it. Now that the IMDb page is up-to-date (, I'd like to update the credits here, but I don't know any Japanese kanji nor do I know how to format the "Staff" tables/templates of other Pokémon film articles. Could someone point me to where I can learn more about making one of these "tables", or maybe we could start filling in the credits on this Wiki with the help of IMDb?

Or is it policy to wait until the English DVD is released? That can't be, because M12 is missing its staff credits (Look at the work that this needs!). I get most of my credits information, if not from a DVD or someone else's paused DVR, from YouTube videos where people recorded the credits. After that, my credit sources are either, Wikipedia, or a Wiki dedicated to whatever it is I watched. Dogman15 09:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Even better, instead of the opening credits, I got the ending credits here for you guys to check out. - Vhayes1992 23:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you so much for that! I used it back in March to update the IMDb page, but I couldn't thank you until now because of the Wikilock. (And of course, that video is now gone. *sigh*) Dogman15 03:43, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Levitating Zorua

I can't exactly remember this moment, but was it mentioned that Bronzor used Psychic? Can't we assume that it Skill Swapped its Levitate? Everything will make sence then. — ∀ЫъГѣTalk page 09:02, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, wait, Zorua was under the effect if Illusion, it won't make sence either. Still Psyschic is simply damaging attack, Telekinesis is what makes target levitate. — ∀ЫъГѣTalk page 09:08, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

DVD release dates

Are you able to write in home video the release dates of the DVDs in other countries different to Japan and America? I have found release dates of 1 June in Australia in and 29 August in UK in the listing which is also in the information section of New UK DVD release date for Zoroark movie.-- Water Max 09:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Timeline Confirmation

Can someone get a more exact answer on which episodes the events of this movie take place between? PkmnChmp5 04:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

No, it is not possible to describe it in simple words. ♫♪エイディニズ♪♫ 05:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
So it is unconfirmed which 2 episodes the events of the movie fall between? PkmnChmp5 07:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

The Nimbasa legends unova reference

Call me mental, but in the beginning of the movie, the stadium announcer says that Kodai's team is called the "nimbasa legends", which is the name of a city in the Unova region. Either that's trivia worthy, or i've held hands with too many texan guitarists. Christian Woods Azu! 04:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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