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Anyone else find it odd that he went into the mountains for training, and his Pokémon lost three levels?--Ozzie 10:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Most of the later Kanto Trainers got weaker in GSC. This was for the sole purpose of level balance. Similarly, Eagun's Pikachu levels down from 40 in Colosseum to 16 in XD. It's all about when the character is placed in the game relative to the player. Satosuke 06:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, but he could also be like Blue, who trained a Rhydon from scratch. *scrathes back* *is hit by someone for making bad pun* It could be two new Hitmons. Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links


Anyone want input his team from HGSS? I think we can go out on a limb and assume what they are.--Ryuutakeshi 04:17, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

X and Y quote

Where'd that quote come from? Is he even in those games? --Wynd Fox 07:23, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Tyrouge Jump Kick

Did Tyrouge use Jump Kick? It can not learn the move and it is not on Jump Kick's page.Rahl 23:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


So, here he is again. And he's Koichi again. I think it no longer makes sense to treat "Koichi" as an oversight. I propose this article to be moved to "Karate Master" (which is the most neutral choice, also this is how he is referred to by most NPCs), but I'm open to discussion. --Maxim (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2018 (UTC)


Seeing how the Karate Master found in Kanto is consistently called Koichi, while the one found in Mt. Mortar is consistently called Kiyo, I think it's a fair assumption that they're separate characters. The idea is probably that at some point during during the three year gap between Gen I and Gen II, Kiyo became the new dojo master, replacing Koichi. So I propose splitting the article. --Golden Trainer (talk) 19:30, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Return to "Kiyo" page.