Talk:Kecleon (Pokémon)

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"Crayon" in kana is クレヨン kureyon, not kureon, sorry. -Argy

Can someone do the Learn Set? I tried to but it turned into a piece of crap.

Nevermind, I got it.--Dark Sage

We definately need a picture of a purple Kecleon in this article. --FabuVinny T-C-S 17:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, the two Kecleon in the episode, The Kecleon Caper both don't look like the right color. See the picture of the real Kecleon and compare it to the green Kecleon in the episode. They're different shades of green.-ht14: 10:11, 24 January 2008 (GMT)

I uploaded the missing shiny sptires for Ruby & Sapphire and the Back sprite, but they aren't showing up. I can't edit it because it's a template.. how does that work? --Snowrunt

You should be talking to someone about it, but...did you upload it in the Bulbapedia Archive? ht14 13:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Yessir. If you click on the links on the page, it goes to the ones I uploaded. --Snowrunt

Official romanization

Is Kakureon the official romanization of カクレオン? To mean it just sounds like a rough romanization like Rukario. It sounds like it would be Kacleon or at the very least Kakuleon. --ケンジガール 06:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Since I have almost no knowledge of romanizing names, I wouldn't know unfortunately. R.A. Hunter B. 22:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Kecleon and Italics?

The "learning" Box for several TM moves state (by use of italics) that Kecleon's evolution only can get STAB from the moves. However, Kecleon does not evolve and the footnote may seem misleading. Instead, should it be indicated in the footnote for those specific TM pages that Kecleon can get STAB due to its Ability? Or is this particular usage of italics intended notation for this particular Pokémon? I'm somewhat new and not aware if this being stated anywhere. --Solovino 07:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I've assumed that it's due to its ability, and that it's just because of some set text somewhere. If possible, we should add a specific note for Kecleon (and anyone else it might apply to), or just not do it. --DarkfireTaimatsu 08:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Honestly, for Kecleon, everything's potentially STAB. So we should just not do it. TTEchidna 10:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit Request

Anime Pokedex entry EP271 Kecleon Ash's Pokedex 'Kecleon, the Color Swap Pokémon. Kecleon is able to blend into its surrondings by changing the color of its body.' Please and thank you. Littlmiget123 14:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

And done. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 19:57, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit Request

Trivia; misspelling of "sapphire".--♫Green♫ギャラドス♫Talk♫ 03:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Fortree City?

It says that Kecleon can be caught in Fortree City. Unless I missed one, the only Kecleon in the city is the one blocking Fortree Gym, and it flees immediately. Like, without a battle. Should I remove this, or pick up my Emerald version and go through Fortree City more carefully? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 02:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

can't you catch it before it flees? like with a master ball? Ataro 02:41, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

When I say without a battle, I mean, it doesn't even go into a battle at all. Immediately after the Devon Scope identifies the Kecleon, it says "The startled Pokemon fled!", and Kecleon runs off. Absolutely no opportunity to use any sort of Poké Ball, let alone the Master Ball. Like I say, though, I haven't yet ruled out the possibility that there may be another Kecleon somewhere in the town that I somehow haven't discovered yet. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 02:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah now I remember and NO there isnt

I remember 3 in the whole game (I could be wrong) one in fortree and the other 2 in the route after it. Ataro 03:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

There's quite a few more than three. However, I had just searched through every accessible square inch of Fortree City (even in the houses, shops, and Pokemon Center!), and found absolutely no Kecleon. The one blocking Fortree Gym cannot be battled at all. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 13:53, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I think it means it can be found in Fortree City, not can be caught. It is in the game locations section. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 13:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I think it only applies to obtainable Pokémon. Otherwise the listing for Pokémon Tower would include Marowak, wouldn't it? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 14:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I know that, and I do agree with its removal. I was just saying how that could have gotten there. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 14:05, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Five that can be pure flying?

"Kecleon is one of the five Pokémon that can turn into a pure Flying-type Pokémon. The others are Arceus while holding the Sky Plate and Porygon, Porygon2, and Porygon-Z by using Conversion 2 after being hit by a Ground-type, Grass-type, Fighting-type, or Bug-type move, or using Conversion when they know a Flying-type move."

That's completely false. Other pokemon that can become pure-Flying: Smeargle, anything that learns Mimic, Metronome, Mirror Type, Transform, or Role Play, Pokemon that have Trace as their ability (by tracing Color Change), and any pokemon other than Arceus, through Skill Swap. Plus, it's outdated, since there's a pure-Flying legendary, now. Aielyn 07:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

That is indeed outdated. Feel free to remove any trivia along similar lines. —darklordtrom 10:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I already got it. --AndyPKMN 16:15, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Smeargle? That doesn't sound like a bad piece of trivia, it probably should've just had a mention of "...without using a move". Vemoth 01:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

A thought

Should we use {{arceustype}} for Kec's type color since it can be any type because of its ability? Vemoth 01:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

While I like your idea, I don't think Kecleon counts for that because his type goes back to Normal after the battle ends, whereas Arceus's type can change outside of battle. --ZestyCactus 02:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Curse on kecleon?

If curse was used on kecleon would it make it become a ??? type pokemon? - unsigned comment from savelijah (talkcontribs)

What? Why? It's not damaging move.----無限の知性DENNOUZENSHI 17:49, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
What if a ghost type used it? Savelijah 23:38, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I think the move has to do direct damage (i.e. have a base power)- Leech Seed doesn't activate it either, as far as I'm aware. Nytik 19:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


In the trivia it says "Color Change can be used against Kecleon by harming it with a move of one type, then using a move that type is weak to. This works especially well with Dragon-type and Ghost-type moves, which are super effective against their own type, although Ghost-type moves won't have any effect on Kecleon if it hasn't changed its type yet." Is that really trivia worthy?Micamike45 (talk) 00:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Changing Color in Biology

I moved the bit abot the purple "variant" to the same part that described it changing its color. This was reverted because Kecleon apparently only changes color when it feels a specific emotion or wants to blend in. From its Diamond and Pearl entry: It can freely change its body's color. The zigzag pattern on its belly doesn't change, however. The other entries gave examples of when one might choose to change color, but it is done freely, so yes, a Kecleon can easily just choose to appear purple, and as long as its red stripe doesn't change, it can do that. With this in mind, is it acceptable to redo the change? It still had all of the same information on the page (like, it still linked to the examples), and it's more accurate considering Kecleon's Pokédex; if any Kecleon can do that, I don't think it should be referred to as a trait of those individuals; that's kind of misleading about what Kecleon can and can't do in my opinion. Thoughts? EpicDeino (talk)

Ohhh, I just now noticed what the issue was - that that section only said it could do it for emotion or camouflage, so that's why it wasn't good to say it was an example of that. Still, since it currently doesn't even acknowledge that it's able to do it freely, would something like this be any better?
"Kecleon can change the colors of its body at will. It most commonly does this for camouflage or to show emotion, but it is able to change color freely; for insance, Kecleon that more commonly choose to appear purple than green have been seen in both the anime and the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series. The only exception is that it is unable to change the color of its red stripe, regardless of whether for camouflage or merely expression, but with the camouflage making it appear almost invisible, it can still sneak up on prey and ensnare them with its long pink tongue. It lives in forests."
Also, I serioulsy did sign that with the four tildes, not manually... Why isn't it timestamped? o.o EpicDeino (talk) 02:14, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
The majority of the entries say it changes colors to blend in with its surroundings. I think it's jumping a little too far to claim that any Kecleon would use this ability which is basically meant to be temporary to permanently live as another color. Kecleon are "normally" shown as green; one that's always purple is fundamentally different until they explicitly say/show otherwise. (I.e., don't assume.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
What? I have to say, that's a little silly. Changing color is a fundamental trait of every single member of the species, and blending in is canonically only one use for it - see, again, that Pokédex entry which clearly states it does it freely. There's no reason to claim that for a Kecleon to use that power in an unorthodox way makes it a different kind of Kecleon. It's still just a different color. Now, if it had, say, a slightly different shape, or its red zigzag was also different, I would see where you're coming from - it would have to be a different Kecleon because Kecleon can't change those things. But if we know that Kecleon can change color at will and we know that the rules for this are followed (it's still only changing color, not shape or anything, and it's still not changing its red stripe), there's zero reason to assume any Kecleon can't.
Put it this way: there's canon evidence - every single Pokédex entry - that Kecleon can change its color. This one meets all the canon criteria. Ergo, it's not at all an assumption that this is something Kecleon can do. It's explicit canon.
Meanwhile, there's no canon evidence that this has any restriction on duration. To say there is would, because it's never stated, be an assumption.
So I think you have it backwards. If it's only doing something we know for a fact it can do, there ISN'T reason to assume it's fundamentally different unless they explicitly say/show it IS, not the other way around. I would say that if the one trait of Kecleon that every Pokédex entry mentions is that it can change its color with its red stripe as its only exception, it's not an assumption to say that it can change its color with its red stripe as its only exception. EpicDeino (talk) 03:47, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
You know Kecleon can change color. You don't know that any change color "forever". That's a huge assumption. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:01, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
"a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof."
We don't have proof that Kecleon have a time limit.
We do have proof that Kecleon can change colors.
The only "rule" the purple Kecleon break (that there's a time limit) is, yes, an assumed rule, not a canon one. Therefore, it is an assumption to say they break any rule at all, and therefore, it is an assumption to say that Kecleon CAN'T do it for as long as they please.
The only non-assumed rules are all followed by the purple Kecleon. Therefore, it is not an assumption to say they follow the rules, and therefore, it is not an assumption to say they CAN be purple when they want to, which, in this case, is the entire time that we see them.
I don't get how you think a Kecleon has to be special to change color. All Kecleon change color, and this Kecleon follows the rules that we DO have proof it has, the only rule it breaks being one you invented. Show me your proof and the rule stops being an assumption. Until then, by definition, the claim that Kecleon have a time limit is an assumption. EpicDeino (talk) 04:11, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Let me put it a bit simpler then: you don't know that the purple Kecleon has actually changed color.
Again: Don't assume. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:14, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
What the actual heck.
Are you serious right now? You're assuming it is a special Kecleon and that it can't have changed color to be purple. I am citing canon proof that it is not a special Kecleon for being purple because all Kecleon can become purple.
This is honestly ridiculous. EpicDeino (talk) 04:18, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm not saying it "can't" have changed its color. I'm saying you DO. NOT. KNOW...that it did.
No assumptions. Thank you. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:28, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
The article currently states that the purple form is a variant, as in not something that can apply to other Kecleon.
We DO KNOW that ANY KECLEON in the world can become purple because that is CANON. It is an ASSUMPTION that a purple Kecleon is not normal. It is far from an assumption that any Kecleon can be purple because this is explicitly stated in canon.
Here, how about this for a compromise?
"Kecleon is a bipedal, reptilian Pokémon that is usually green, though it can change its color at will. On either sides of its head are yellow frills, which are connected by lines to its yellow lips and rings around its eyes. There are small ridges on its shoulders and a red zigzag stripe around its midsection. The hands and feet have three short digits each, and it has yellow soles. It also has a long skinny tail that is usually curled tightly in a spiral.
Kecleon is able to change the colors of its body at will, and is known for frequently using this ability to camouflage or to show emotion, though it can change color for any reason. A purplish variant has been seen in the anime and the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series; whether this is an example of changing its color or simply a different kind of Kecleon is unknown. The only thing a Kecleon is known to be unable to change is the color of the red stripe on its stomach; because of this, it is not entirely invisible, but it is sufficiently close that it can still sneak up on prey and ensnare it with its long pink tongue. It lives in forests."
Spiky-eared Pichu is a variant because Pichu do not naturally possess the power to make one of their ears spiky. Purple Kecleon is by NO means a variant because ALL Kecleon possess that power. The above compromise is the only thing I can think of that will make both of us happy, though I see no reason why you're being so stubbornly adamant about the fact that it's a variant. It's not. EpicDeino (talk) 04:43, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
We are not going to say "whether this is an example of changing its color or simply a different kind of Kecleon is unknown". Just: no....
Also note that Variant Pokémon defines them as: "Pokémon who vary in their appearance compared to other Pokémon of the same species", not "something that [can't[ apply to other Kecleon". It fits the purple Kecleon just fine. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:50, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Why do we even need to mention the purple Kecleon in the Biology section at all? It's not a form/forme; it's just an NPC in some games and a minor character in the anime, and it's already mentioned in both of those sections. It honestly doesn't seem important enough IMO to even include in Biology. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:01, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

So your entire argument has you unwilling to concede because "WE. DON'T. KNOW." and yet you reject the option of simply saying so? Sounds an awful lot like you THINK you DO "know" and your viewpoint is apparently factual if it's unreasonable that both points deserve to be on the article.
Pumpkinking, I don't think I'm the one who should respond to that, but for what it's worth I wouldn't be entirely opposed to that, either. It PROBABLY deserves some mention, though... EpicDeino (talk) 05:29, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Saying "we don't know whether [whatnot is A or B]" is just inane. It's not at all a viable option here. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:45, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
What happened was the Biology expansion project from Project Pokédex. User:Crystal Talian was the one who added the line. (Special:Diff/1998776) For the project, which can be seen in its older format at Special:Diff/1997518, the info must come from canon sources and must be a full description that includes the possible differences in form or in gender. If it had a skill "unique to the species which are part of the lore, for example Celebi's time traveling," then it could be added. Somewhere in that is why Crystal Talian added it. Additionally, the "In the anime/manga" sections, there are notes to include "any details about the Pokémon species exclusive to the anime/manga series." Thus, if those rules still apply, then there should likely be a mention of the purple-yellow and purple-mint Kecelon. --Super goku (talk) 05:49, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
"but it is able to change color freely; for insance, Kecleon that more commonly choose to appear purple than green have been seen in both the anime and the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series." How do you know the purple Kecleon was once green? IIRC, it wasn't shown or revealed that it was once green but chose to stay purple. For all we know, it could've been born purple. That's your assumption, assuming the purple Kecleon was once green, thus can freely choose what color it wants to stay as.
@Pumpkinking, the single line it has now is fine. It's not describing what the variant looks like.--ForceFire 05:50, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
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