Talk:Corviknight (Pokémon)

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Korean Name Origin

아마까오 is based off of 아마 -> "armor" and 까오,the onomatopoeia of a raven's caw --Buddy002 (talk) 20:36, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Chinese Name Origin

鋼鎧鴉 -> 鋼 "steel" (In fact, the same character used for the steel type) 鎧 "armor" 鴉 "raven/crow" Together, it means a crow with steel armor.--Buddy002 (talk) 21:23, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Origin

Rather than a jackdaw, it's more likely that it is based on the common raven. They are the largest corvids found in Britain and live in the Tower of London. There is an English legend that England would not fall to invaders as long as there were ravens at the Tower of London, further tying in to its "Knight" aesthetic. Also, the official page on pokemon.com refers to it as the "Raven Pokemon". - unsigned comment from Oligyra (talkcontribs)

While your other points may be valid (though Corviknight could be a mix of this and that for that matter), Pokémon categories are not a good source of origin. Grookey was determined to not be a chimp, and Bidoof is clearly not a mouse, for example. Also, don't forget to sign your comments with four tildes! Kikugi (talk) 00:23, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Which characteristics of Corviknight do you feel favor a jackdaw over a raven? The only piece of evidence given in the article right now is that jackdaws are found throughout Great Britain. Ravens are also residents of the British Isles, though, and they are prominent in myths and legends of the region, so that’s hardly a jackdaw-exclusive factor. In terms of physical appearance, Corviknight has a number of features that are spot-on for a raven, including its thick, powerful beak with prominent nasal bristles, the shaggy, beard-like throat feathers, its pointed crest feathers, and its overall bulk and heft. Jackdaws, in comparison, are smaller and sleeker with more slender proportions. Ravens also have metallic, iridescent, blue-black plumage that likely inspired the armor, whereas jackdaws are grayer in coloration. In short, Corviknight only resembles a jackdaw inasmuch as most black corvids look broadly similar to one another. I’m a lifelong birder who is quite familiar with both species, and this Pokémon is immediately recognizable as a raven while only sharing the most general traits with a jackdaw. Combined with the specific category (which are admittedly unreliable at times) designating it as a raven and the extensive folklore and popular culture connections surrounding ravens in the UK, I strongly believe that the Common Raven should be listed as the primary inspiration for Corviknight. Perhaps the origin could be phrased along the lines of “Corviknight is based primarily on a raven, though it shares some similarities with other corvids like crows, jackdaws, and rooks.” ~Destruction on Wings~ (talk) 14:33, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
I've never even heard of jackdaw until now and I don't think a lot of people do either. I also believe the raven is the most likely source of inspiration bird-wise.Robbie (talk) 19:04, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
We could say that it has traits of various corvids, such as jackdaws and ravens, which are both native to the British isles. Personally I agree with it being more raven-like with its build and size but its crest resembles a jackdaw's more. LadyBrightcynder (talk) 19:08, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Jackdaws lack the hooked beak that both Corviknight and Ravens share. Corviknight also displays characteristic raven chin fluff. The page should be amended to reflect the inspiration was clearly the common raven.Darktornaydoe (talk) 05:25, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure who went in and immediately filled in the trivia for this page with a shoot-from-the-hip ID for the source of the inspiration in the first place, but it should really be edited to include the raven connection. The actual physical design, the specific designation of the Pokemon, and the raven's prominence in UK culture, as mentioned above, all match better than the passing resemblance with a jackdaw. I've seen the whole "Corviknight is a jackdaw" thing pop up on several YouTube videos and gaming news sites, because these "journalists" are googling Corviknight and seeing Bulbapedia's link first with this inaccurate, incomplete information. There's a similar problem with the Grookey page saying it is based on an Ecuadorian Squirrel Monkey: way too specific for origin trivia just because one individual with editing privileges thought they saw some similarities. ~Destruction on Wings~ (talk) 02:13, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
I actually signed up for an account just to agree with Destruction. Being a big fan of Corvids and British lore I immediately tagged the Raven Master of the Tower when Corviknight was announced because the Tower of London Ravens came to mind when I saw it. Jackdaws are pretty common in Britain but there's nothing that says "Jackdaw" in the design. While "mouse" has been synonymous with "rodent" in Pokemon description, that doesn't mean the bar has to remain that low. Ravens are the largest of Corvids and Corviknight is probably the largest bird pokemon without being a Legendary. Ravens are much more well known in general, including Japan. Then of course the mentions in British lore.At the moment, there doesn't seem to be any real evidence that Jackdaws were the inspiration other than "black" (which jackdaws are not) and "corvidae". There is no evidence on where the contributor got that information from. ~Urban Sidhe~ (talk) 22:31, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I too signed up an account just to agree with the two comments above. Jackdaw isn't even a commonly used English phrase to begin with, let-a-lone most from the UK calling every non-magpie/blackbird bird of black colouration a raven or crow (in my region, anyway), even if it's physically correct. Regardless of linguistic bias, it being a jackdaw in *any* case makes no sense. It's a Poké'manteau (yes, I *did* just do that) of a Raven and a Knight. Both are known to mythologically guard London, and this region is literally based on the UK. There's really nothing else to it. --Neil2250 (talk) 19:09, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I signed quite a time ago but it seems to be a staple of many wikis to put the info that comes first to mind which becomes a problem when YouTubers look for reliable information. The Pokémon may be based on an specific animal and then somebody says that seems to be based on an obscure animal without any type of source that confirms it like the infamous Sceptile is based on a Dilophosaurus (not the best example though as the dino is quite well known). It's very clear that Corviknight is based in one of the Tower of London ravens plus a knight armor from the Middle Ages. Masuda, Ohmori and the team will not spend a deep and thorough research in British fauna. They will research something that catches their attention or either is a common cliché of the region it is based. If it was based on a jackdaw, they would have put its characteristic grey and black feathers and white eyes. But Corviknight is a dark blue bird like a raven. I'd like to change it but I'm afraid that my edition will get reverted.--Dent (talk) 01:28, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Corviknight seems to be based on a valravn — maleficent ravens from Dutch lore who could shapeshift into knights after consuming the hearts of fallen warriors. Could we add it? And could we also add ' and possibly night ' along with knight in its name origin section? It's probably a play on both words; it's a pitch-black menace. SupremeCondition (talk) 00:24, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Why do things have to get complicated? Why can't we wait until someone at Game Freak says that it was based in an obscure creature from Dutch mythology? Isn't enough with just raven and knight? --Dent (talk) 18:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Early Stat Calculation

At one point Corviknight is shown in battle at level 60 with 200 HP. Calculating this reveals that it has a minimum base HP of 61 if the one shown has a 0 HP IV and 0 HP EVs and a maximum of 108 with 31 HP IV and 252 HP EVs. At and IV of 15 and 126 EVs the calculations land it at 85 which very well may be its actual base HP. ExecutiveElf (talk) 06:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

We can't really speculate on that sort of thing at this stage. Even ignoring the fact that Sword and Shield might change the way that stats are calculated, it's possible for details like that to change between pre-release stuff and the actual the game. ~ Dannyboy601 (talk) 02:36, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Japanese trademarked romaji

See this page for more details. Right now, アーマーガア's trademarked romaji is Armorgaw, not Āmāgā. --TheICTLiker4piszże do mnie 08:29, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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