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Hey hey, turns out the point above is correct. Imprison and Shock Wave, and any other assorted marker effects aren't Special Conditions! Says so in the [https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/ex-dragon-frontiers Dragon Frontiers overview], and by Dragon Frontiers Tropius naming those attacks separately from Special Conditions. Seems like an open and shut case. I'll delete those sections in a few days. Maybe they can live on a section of the "Attack" page, since they are effects of attacks. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 00:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | Hey hey, turns out the point above is correct. Imprison and Shock Wave, and any other assorted marker effects aren't Special Conditions! Says so in the [https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/ex-dragon-frontiers Dragon Frontiers overview], and by Dragon Frontiers Tropius naming those attacks separately from Special Conditions. Seems like an open and shut case. I'll delete those sections in a few days. Maybe they can live on a section of the "Attack" page, since they are effects of attacks. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 00:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:While agree that they aren't special conditions on their own right, they are still similar to special conditions, in that they have their own marker and place a condition on a Pokémon. For that reason I think the "other conditions" section is still a fitting place for them, provided we make it clear that these aren't really special conditions, just have similar attributes to special conditions. It's important to make sure if we do remove the mention from this page however, that the content isn't wiped from the wiki, if we feel like theres a more suitable home for this, (perhaps in the [[Appendix:Glossary (TCG)|Glossary]]) we can entertain this too. '''[[User:4iamking|<span style="font-family:noteworthy;color:#FF1493">4iam</span><span style="font-family:papyrus;color:#8A2BE2">king</span>]]''' 01:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | :While agree that they aren't special conditions on their own right, they are still similar to special conditions, in that they have their own marker and place a condition on a Pokémon. For that reason I think the "other conditions" section is still a fitting place for them, provided we make it clear that these aren't really special conditions, just have similar attributes to special conditions. It's important to make sure if we do remove the mention from this page however, that the content isn't wiped from the wiki, if we feel like theres a more suitable home for this, (perhaps in the [[Appendix:Glossary (TCG)|Glossary]]) we can entertain this too. '''[[User:4iamking|<span style="font-family:noteworthy;color:#FF1493">4iam</span><span style="font-family:papyrus;color:#8A2BE2">king</span>]]''' 01:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::Official word says they're effects of attacks that place markers. ([https://compendium.pokegym.net/ruling/891/ Compendium entry]) (Seriously, sometimes sticking to official terminology has it's downsides.) I also contest calling them "similar" considering the lead section in the rulebook says "They can only happen to an Active Pokémon—when a Pokémon goes to the Bench, it recovers from all Special Conditions. Pokémon also recover when they evolve." Two out of three of which don't apply to the marker effects. | |||
::Considering Special Condition is a mechanically relevant term (in that something that prevents Status Conditions doesn't help against marker effects), I sincerely think that these actually wind up living with "attack", hiding behind the excuse of their effects being named. To make things less crazy, there could be an "effects of attacks" article that lists many common effects of attacks (5+ cards maybe) and then throws these on because they are named. I don't think the Appendix is the greatest place to anything, considering how infrequently its used, and therefore how infrequently people update it. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 01:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | |||