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All three of the Pokémon she uses in USUM are part-Fairy, is there more criteria that she needs to have apart from that? [[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 01:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC) | All three of the Pokémon she uses in USUM are part-Fairy, is there more criteria that she needs to have apart from that? [[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 01:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC) | ||
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::You're right, the misspellings would just confuse people. But I think [[Lillie (game)]] might be beneficial, to distinguish this from [[Lillie (anime)|her anime counterpart]]. [[User:GalarChampionAverie|Champion Averie]], signing off! ([[User talk:GalarChampionAverie|Need anything?]]) 18:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC) | ::You're right, the misspellings would just confuse people. But I think [[Lillie (game)]] might be beneficial, to distinguish this from [[Lillie (anime)|her anime counterpart]]. [[User:GalarChampionAverie|Champion Averie]], signing off! ([[User talk:GalarChampionAverie|Need anything?]]) 18:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC) | ||
:::The (game) parenthetical is usually reserved for playable core series protagonists.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 07:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC) | :::The (game) parenthetical is usually reserved for playable core series protagonists.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 07:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC) | ||
== Fairy Specialist == | |||
I would like to talk about this too... ok, Lillie have 3 Fairies, but saying she is a specialist just for that seems... weird to me. We got characters with a lot of Pokémon of the same type, that are not considered specialist Proton only use Poison for exemple, yhea, only 2, but still all Poison. Pokémon Masters, even if is a spin-off, too seems to indicate she never was created to be a specialist, since she have Clefairy, Ribombee, Lunala and Polteageist... ok, is a spin-off, but Masters seems to care about mainseries and in a interview was said they want to the characters to remain close to the canon and not deviate from that. So... yhea. I don't feel there is any true proof about Lillie being a specialist outside from "all 3 Pokémon she use in maingame are Fairy" that not prove so much... I mean. By this logic, Agatha is a Poison specialist because all Pokémon she use in multiple games are Poison, despite being officially stated her being a Ghost specialist, while Lance in a lot of games use only Flying-type and so on.--[[User:Zarxiel94|Zarxiel94]] ([[User talk:Zarxiel94|talk]]) 19:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:The fact she has some non-Fairy Pokémon in Masters doesn't mean that she wasn't intended as a specialist; Burgh has a Togepi, but he's clearly a Bug specialist, Nessa is a Water specialist, but she has an Eiscue, and some other examples. The other point you've made, however, is more valid, like we should either include Proton as a specialist, or not include Lillie, because there isn't that much difference between them in this respect, aside from Lillie having one Pokémon more. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 20:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::I think I didn't explained very well what I meant. Yhea, other specialists got Pokémon of other types. But Burgh and Nessa are explicitly confirmed to be Bug and Water specialists. While Lillie is pratically just speculation because the Pokémon she use in USUM are all Fairy, but she have just 3, and if we count Masters, then 3/5 are Fairies. In my opinion a characters should be considered specialist if is stated to be one, or if have at least 4 Pokémon of the same type (only if have few Pokémon confirmed). Exemple. Rose is not explicitly confirmed to be Steel specialist. But he have 5/5 Steel-type. So I'm more propended to not consider her and others similar to her, here a list of all specialists that I'm not sure if are actually specialists (if they are explicitly confirmed and I'm unaware of it, please tell me). | |||
*Melli (have just 3/3 or 3/4 Poison (depend how nobles are considered, but I think they are since I suspect in Masters we will get the Wardens with them)) | |||
*Steven (I'm aware he say Steel is his favourite type and his favourite Pokémon is the "ultimate Steel Pokèmon" but... are we sure this can be considered to be a specialist and not just about him liking Steel-type or be a reference to Metagross? Steven even have more no-Steel then Steel: 5 Steel vs 6 no-Steel (6 vs 7 with Masters) he ever seems pretty weird to be a specialist...) | |||
*Lillie (already explained) | |||
And I think is all the "weird" specialists. If you or others agree, I could remove them or part of them (depending how the discussion will continue)--[[User:Zarxiel94|Zarxiel94]] ([[User talk:Zarxiel94|talk]]) 16:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Melli: His teams in all battles are Poison types. Nobles, I would think, don't count as it's not actually their Pokemon (again, I would think). | |||
:Steven: You've already asked and were already given an answer. You are choosing to ignore what you were told. The Trainer's Eyes still explicitly state that he prefers Steel types, making him a Steel specialist. | |||
:Lillie: She still uses Fairy types in her battles, Nebby doesn't really count as it's not hers and doesn't become her Pokemon in future battles. | |||
:Just because a trainer only uses 3 (at worst 2) Pokemon of the same type, doesn't make them not a type specialist. Granted they are battled multiple times and they all have Pokemon that share a common type. That should be the basic ground rule.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 17:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||