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:::I have a vision of a certain reformulation that should be in the Anime section and with the Adventures manga (which is the manga with the longest defined chronology released) but I'm even afraid to give it.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 13:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 
:::I have a vision of a certain reformulation that should be in the Anime section and with the Adventures manga (which is the manga with the longest defined chronology released) but I'm even afraid to give it.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 13:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 
::::To say Miette's Slurpuff has more notability or value than Leon's Charizard is an odd choice and one that doesn't hold up when looking at either page or the importance of those Pokémon. Force Fire, please rewrite the rules to fit your mindset so users know what they are getting into. I don't even care if they make sense-they don't-but at least then we have a written process to follow. Your views and what the rules say don't match up as of now. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 13:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 
::::To say Miette's Slurpuff has more notability or value than Leon's Charizard is an odd choice and one that doesn't hold up when looking at either page or the importance of those Pokémon. Force Fire, please rewrite the rules to fit your mindset so users know what they are getting into. I don't even care if they make sense-they don't-but at least then we have a written process to follow. Your views and what the rules say don't match up as of now. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 13:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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:::::Again, you're '''not''' listening. Miette's Slurpuff did stuff outside of the Poke Contest stuff in its debut episode. Leon's Charizard has ''not'' done anything outside of battling in it's non battle episodes and its battle-focus episodes. Because that's what the notability requirements is asking for: "but only if it did '''''more than just battle''''' in the episode(s) it appeared in". As in, it needs to do something else other than showing up in a battle. Because it's Pokemon. Battling is the central point of the series. It's what it do. We're not going to have an article that is just "X battled in episode Y" over and over. It's not going to make for an interesting read.
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:::::And it '''also''' needs to have an impact on the plot. If Charizard battles and wins, then that's not having that much of an impact. Wow. It won. Who knew something would ''win'' a series about battling. If the battle was interrupted and Charizard helped get rid of whatever is interrupting the battle, then yes, that would be having an impact on the episode. Because it did more than just battle its intended opponent.
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:::::As for the articles Hikaru Wazana brought up, 3/5 of them were created before we got stricter with notability. Gary's Arcanine is fine as it helped stop Team Rocket in Extreme Pokemon! Gary's Electivire is fine as it help protect Shieldon from J and attempted to stop Saturn from taking one of the lake guardians. For Trip's Serperior and Georgia's Beartic, both were approved by the Head of Anime at the time of their move to the mainspace. So I'll assume there was a good reason for their existence.
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:::::I'm not trying to manipulate to criteria, I'm just following how the criteria has been interpreted over the years. And sometimes, that interpretation either gets stricter or more lenient. I'm not pulling all this out of thin air. There is no need to re-write the criteria just because you can't understand them.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 13:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
    
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