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:I'm personally not all that familiar with these games, but I certainly agree that Brown should be on there. It's even mentioned in the wiki article... just not on the list. [[User:Dannyjenn|D]] ([[User talk:Dannyjenn|talk]]) 12:41, 12 February 2019 (UTC) | :I'm personally not all that familiar with these games, but I certainly agree that Brown should be on there. It's even mentioned in the wiki article... just not on the list. [[User:Dannyjenn|D]] ([[User talk:Dannyjenn|talk]]) 12:41, 12 February 2019 (UTC) | ||
== Several things == | |||
1. "''Another noteworthy feature is the development of the UPS format, which allows the expansion of Game Boy Advance ROM hacks from their original 16MB format to 32MB.''" Is this correct? I don't know much about 'UPS', but I'm under the impression that it's a patch format (like IPS). If so, the GBA games could have been modified in that way even without UPS, so I don't get what it's saying exactly. | |||
2. "''the ROM hacking community generally considers these more as "bootlegs" rather than ROM hacks.''" This doesn't sound correct, and I think the distinction is a bit arbitrary. I don't think anyone in the hacking community would deny that these particular bootleg games are 'ROM hacks'. I think what should be said here is that these hacks were made by pirates, not by Pokemon fans of the ROM hacking community. (Although in some cases the games ''were'' made by the hacking community, and then afterwards stolen by pirates and flashed onto bootleg carts.) | |||
3. The 'Legality' section needs to be expanded. I don't have any suggestions at the moment... all I can say is that depending on how the hacking is done, it's sometimes illegal but other times is probably legal (despite Nintendo's being against it). | |||
4. I'd recommend adding the following hacks (mostly gen 1) to the list: | |||
* '''''The World Famous Talking Cactus Version''''' by Phillip Rueben in the gen 1 days. This was not really a complete game but more of a demo. It was distributed as an IPS file (to be patched to ''Red Version'') along with the tool Pokémap, which was the first tool to allow for easy map editing in the gen 1 games. ''It is of cultural or historical significance?'' Yes, due to its association with Pokémap. ''It is relatively well known?'' I'd think so. Maybe not so much anymore, but it ''was'' well known back in its day (and might still be well known among gen 1 hackers). It even spawned two unofficial sequels (a ''Gold Version'' hack called ''WT? World Famous Talking Cactus!'' and a ''Red Version'' hack called ''Talking Cactus 3: Matty-Os Drift'') ''It demonstrates a notable feature or features that is represented in the large number of hacks that followed?'' Yes - this was the first game to my knowledge (even before ''Brown'') in which the map was significantly altered. It was also the first game in which gameplay mechanics were heavily altered (e.g. no Pokémon, no battles, etc.). ''It is a significant step forward in terms of hack development as a whole?'' Yes, insofar as it was a demo of Pokémap. | |||
* '''''Brown''''' by Koolboyman - see the discussion in the previous poster's section, above | |||
* '''''Pokémon CreepyBlack Version''''' - I don't know who made this, but it was a ROM hack of ''FireRed'', inspired by the fictional ROM hack from the creepypasta. The battle/pokedex sprites were all replaced with gen1 sprites and the White Hand was added and there were probably other changes (I don't know, I never played it myself). ''It is of cultural or historical significance.'' Yes. Pokemon creepypastas were extremely popular at that time, and some imaginative fans wanted to bring those creepypasta games to life by making YouTube videos and ROM hacks. This hack is an excellent example of that, and perhaps the most well known creepypasta-inspired hack. ''It is relatively well know.'' Probably. The creepypasta itself is well known, and if you search YouTube for it you'll come across videos of this ROM hack. (I think there might also be a gen 1 hack, but this gen 3 seems more well known) ''It demonstrates a notable feature or features that is represented in the large number of hacks that followed.'' Not really. ''It is a significant step forward in terms of hack development as a whole.'' No. | |||
* '''''Monster Go! Go! Go!''''' - This was a bootleg cartridge in the gen1 days. It was a hack of some ''Smurfs'' game for GBC I think. I personally don't know much about it, but it's just as notable as ''Pokémon Diamond and Jade'' (it often appeared alongside them on news sites back in the early '00s). And I'd say it's far more notable than ''Pokémon Adventure''. | |||
* '''''Pokémon Green Version''''' - I don't know who made it... I think it was originally made by some fan of the hackjng community, but pirates later took it and flashed onto cheap green-colored cartridges. (This one has good English because it's mostly a graphics hack of English Blue Version, not a translation hack of Japanese Green Version.) I'd say it's notable solely because of how widespread it is. Few other ROM hack bootlegs can be found so easily on eBay. (Perhaps it should be documented here, and also on the [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions]] page, in order to warn newer fans not to purchase it.) | |||
[[User:Dannyjenn|D]] ([[User talk:Dannyjenn|talk]]) 14:35, 12 February 2019 (UTC) | |||