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::: The title of the manga called Otoko no Isshou , for starters. And Word of God isn't canon. Unless the anime in its own universe says a thing is a thing, it isn't, because Word of God must be reflected in existing canon. That's why Scraggy and Butterfree aren't confirmed canon male as well and why Death Battle was wrong about Toph beating Gaara. Attract, Captivate, word in universe or nah. That's the rule:As an admin, you know this. Charizard could still be transgender, non-binary, lesbian(or gay, since Charla's name and their wearing a ribbon isn't proof either...I recommend that be re-looked at as well....). --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 02:25, 2 May 2018 (UTC) | ::: The title of the manga called Otoko no Isshou , for starters. And Word of God isn't canon. Unless the anime in its own universe says a thing is a thing, it isn't, because Word of God must be reflected in existing canon. That's why Scraggy and Butterfree aren't confirmed canon male as well and why Death Battle was wrong about Toph beating Gaara. Attract, Captivate, word in universe or nah. That's the rule:As an admin, you know this. Charizard could still be transgender, non-binary, lesbian(or gay, since Charla's name and their wearing a ribbon isn't proof either...I recommend that be re-looked at as well....). --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 02:25, 2 May 2018 (UTC) | ||
::::...Come on. If the book is about the anime, it's certainly valid evidence. And if someone said that Ash and Charizard were swearing a man's oath in English, the immediate assumption would be that they're both male, and for good reason. (This is not different in the Japanese in question.) I don't say it's infallible reasoning, but it's absolutely not a case where we need to invent reasons for doubt; if there's some contradiction somewhere, fine, but until then, male should be absolutely logical. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:47, 2 May 2018 (UTC) | ::::...Come on. If the book is about the anime, it's certainly valid evidence. And if someone said that Ash and Charizard were swearing a man's oath in English, the immediate assumption would be that they're both male, and for good reason. (This is not different in the Japanese in question.) I don't say it's infallible reasoning, but it's absolutely not a case where we need to invent reasons for doubt; if there's some contradiction somewhere, fine, but until then, male should be absolutely logical. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:47, 2 May 2018 (UTC) | ||
::::: We have never used supplemental material, or Tracey West's novelizations' many mistakes would be canon. I don't assume genders, because Force Fire and Kogoro said not to. Unless you're going to override their authority...The rule is the rule, and bending it further will lead to excuses for precedents for Pokémon like Totodile, Corphish, Heracross, Crobat and other similarly disputed genders, . Unless you'd care to rescind the Attract-Captivate(with one gender canon)-In-universe mention clause? Because if you do that, too many squabbles will happen. Charizard is unknown until it is mentioned in-universe(w/o Word of God), Attract/Captivate is used on it with one gender canon. I'm going to get Force Fire. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 04:12, 2 May 2018 (UTC) | |||