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:Turtonator, meanwhile, doesn't have the characteristic depression, doesn't have the beak, doesn't seem to live in watery areas or be amphibious in any way, and doesn't seem to have any behavioral similarities to kappas. The only connection I can see between Turtonator and kappas is that they're both bipedal and have turtle shells. I don't think we should be putting "kappa" in the origin of every bipedal turtle-like Pokemon; I think we've got to keep to a bit stricter standard about it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:03, 6 January 2017 (UTC) | :Turtonator, meanwhile, doesn't have the characteristic depression, doesn't have the beak, doesn't seem to live in watery areas or be amphibious in any way, and doesn't seem to have any behavioral similarities to kappas. The only connection I can see between Turtonator and kappas is that they're both bipedal and have turtle shells. I don't think we should be putting "kappa" in the origin of every bipedal turtle-like Pokemon; I think we've got to keep to a bit stricter standard about it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:03, 6 January 2017 (UTC) | ||
::Yes... but at the same time your definition is overly strict. It has a dish on it's head, it has a beak, and this isn't even the only series to have fire kappas. Magic: The Gathering did that a long time ago, back during the Kamigawa block. Call that irrelevant, but Pokemon has hippopotamuses and crocodiles that live in sand. There's no real reason for it to have a dish on it's head besides "this makes it look a bit more like a kappa". As for behavorial similarities, we have no idea as to what it's behavior is even like. I can understand where you're coming from: you don't want everything to be compared to a kappa. But I really feel like that Turtonator has too many similarities to a kappa, even if only in appearance, for us to just ignore it out of hand. To me it looks a lot more like a kappa or another turtle then it does the mata mata. {{unsigned|GMario3826}} | ::Yes... but at the same time your definition is overly strict. It has a dish on it's head, it has a beak, and this isn't even the only series to have fire kappas. Magic: The Gathering did that a long time ago, back during the Kamigawa block. Call that irrelevant, but Pokemon has hippopotamuses and crocodiles that live in sand. There's no real reason for it to have a dish on it's head besides "this makes it look a bit more like a kappa". As for behavorial similarities, we have no idea as to what it's behavior is even like. I can understand where you're coming from: you don't want everything to be compared to a kappa. But I really feel like that Turtonator has too many similarities to a kappa, even if only in appearance, for us to just ignore it out of hand. To me it looks a lot more like a kappa or another turtle then it does the mata mata. {{unsigned|GMario3826}} | ||
:::Just because another franchise has done a thing doesn't mean it's the same case here. It has more of a helmet on its head, not a dish. If it had a dish, it'd have the depression on it's head (like a dish '''should'''). Its mouth also looks more like a snout than a duck bill (which a Kappa is usually depicted as having). Hippowdon and Krookodile at least '''look''' like what they are meant to look like. All Turtonator has in common with the Kappa is the shell on its back, which is not enough to make a connection. Without the iconic duck bill and depression on its head, it's just a normal turtle.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F1912B">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F6B775">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#5599CA">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#90BDDC">ire</span>]] 04:21, 8 January 2017 (UTC) | :::Just because another franchise has done a thing doesn't mean it's the same case here. It has more of a helmet on its head, not a dish. If it had a dish, it'd have the depression on it's head (like a dish '''should'''). Its mouth also looks more like a snout than a duck bill (which a Kappa is usually depicted as having). Hippowdon and Krookodile at least '''look''' like what they are meant to look like. All Turtonator has in common with the Kappa is the shell on its back, which is not enough to make a connection. Without the iconic duck bill and depression on its head, it's just a normal turtle.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F1912B">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F6B775">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#5599CA">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#90BDDC">ire</span>]] 04:21, 8 January 2017 (UTC); | ||
:::: Bringing this back up. | :::: Bringing this back up. Even if it doesn't look exactly like a kappa, to me it looks a lot more like a kappa then it looks like any kind of turtle, or even turtles in general. [[User:GMario3826|GM_3826]] ([[User talk:GMario3826|talk]]) 12:11, 22 February 2017 (UTC) | ||
== Additional turtle influence == | == Additional turtle influence == | ||
Perhaps some of the influence may have come from the prehistoric spiked [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiolaniidae meiolaniid turtles] such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niolamia niolamia] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiolania meiolania]. If this wasn't, something should be. [[User:Grub|Grub]] ([[User talk:Grub|talk]]) 23:12, 18 January 2017 (UTC) | Perhaps some of the influence may have come from the prehistoric spiked [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiolaniidae meiolaniid turtles] such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niolamia niolamia] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiolania meiolania]. If this wasn't, something should be. [[User:Grub|Grub]] ([[User talk:Grub|talk]]) 23:12, 18 January 2017 (UTC) | ||