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I didn't base the black death analysis on color scheme or the fact it represents death. I don't know what has caused you to believe this. The black death aspect comes from the fact that it annihilated huge scores of humans and Pokémon with a roughly similar timescale and geological area as the real-world black death. Also, stating it has basis on the black death would be no different than stating the new alolan dance birds Oricorio are based off specific dance styles/practices. Pokémon are not singular, they are a multisided often Chimeric representation of multiple ideas, concepts and imaginings. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:11, 10 September 2016 (UTC) | I didn't base the black death analysis on color scheme or the fact it represents death. I don't know what has caused you to believe this. The black death aspect comes from the fact that it annihilated huge scores of humans and Pokémon with a roughly similar timescale and geological area as the real-world black death. Also, stating it has basis on the black death would be no different than stating the new alolan dance birds Oricorio are based off specific dance styles/practices. Pokémon are not singular, they are a multisided often Chimeric representation of multiple ideas, concepts and imaginings. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:11, 10 September 2016 (UTC) | ||
:It just seems like a huge stretch to me. You can find similarities if you're really squinting, but you would think that if the plague outbreak was intended to be part of Yveltal's origin, it would either have the Poison type (to indicate the disease basis), some Poison moves in its level-up learnlist, or at least some visual connection to the {{wp|Danse Macabre}}, the most well-known symbolic representation of the plague. Yveltal doesn't have any of these. Also, note that it's a counterpart to Xerneas, which has no alleged parallel to anything like the plague; if the plague was meant to be Yveltal's basis, it would make sense for its counterpart to have a directly related or directly opposite basis, and Xerneas just plain doesn't. Origin sections are for the most likely origins, not every single tenuous connection that someone can dream up. The Yveltal-Black Death connection strongly seems like the latter to me. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:16, 10 September 2016 (UTC) | :It just seems like a huge stretch to me. You can find similarities if you're really squinting, but you would think that if the plague outbreak was intended to be part of Yveltal's origin, it would either have the Poison type (to indicate the disease basis), some Poison moves in its level-up learnlist, or at least some visual connection to the {{wp|Danse Macabre}}, the most well-known symbolic representation of the plague. Yveltal doesn't have any of these. Also, note that it's a counterpart to Xerneas, which has no alleged parallel to anything like the plague; if the plague was meant to be Yveltal's basis, it would make sense for its counterpart to have a directly related or directly opposite basis, and Xerneas just plain doesn't. Origin sections are for the most likely origins, not every single tenuous connection that someone can dream up. The Yveltal-Black Death connection strongly seems like the latter to me. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:16, 10 September 2016 (UTC) | ||
::So your reasoning that it can't be based off a historical event/plague is because its not a Poison-type? If you want to play types here, it is a dark type, that's just as close. Plus we have a virus based Pokemon, and it is not Poison-type, in fact it is Psychic-type which is strong against Poison-types. That would be like saying Rotom can't become a computer virus unless it becomes an electric/poison type. Poisons, Bacteria (such as that which caused the plague) and viruses work on separate levels. True some bacteria are considered poisonous (they produce toxins but are not by themselves toxic) but that is about it. Humans are not very reliable on their description on things. For godsakes, before West Nile and now Zika became the new hot topics/fear buttons, I saw little signs next to the bugspray section saying "Protect against mosquitoes that can carry the Malaria Virus" and I live in the US and it's been eradicated here for over half a century and is a parasitic one-cell organism, not a virus. | |||
::And if you want Danse Macabre, look at the promotional Yveltal art of it flying over a burning city or this image from the M17 manga http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Yveltal_M17_manga.png that looks pretty Danse Macabre to me. | |||
::I must ask why do you have such a problem with stating it may have origins in one of the most horrific events in european and asian history when you allowed it to keep the Wyvern origin despite not being even remotely similar in appearance, and the fact gen VI already had 2 Wyvern Pokemon, the evolution of which actually does look like a Wyvern. Bing search Wyvern and this shows up "A wyvern, sometimes spelled wivern, is a legendary winged creature with a dragon's head and wings; a reptilian body; two legs; and a tail." to turn a phrase here, you'd have to squint until your eyelids inverted to see any similarities there. | |||
::As for Xerneas being the counterpart to disease, what more counterpart to disease can you get beyond immortality? As much as I wish it could have happened in the Twilight Saga, Edward and all his immortal sparkling vampire kin were in no danger of disease. In fact Edward was saved from the spanish flu by becoming immortal. | |||
::By the way, the term Black Death or Black Plague is only recent. One thing it was originally called was '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>The Great Mortality<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' back when the plague was happening. Things were scary back then. There you are minding your own business, when suddenly you see the plague doctors in their bird-like mask roll into town and all you can think about is that imminent death has come knocking on your door to swift you away. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:38, 12 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
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