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 The fact is that, in a post-Gen III world in which Pokémon can be and regularly are transferred forward and in which Move Tutor availability is extremely broad in some games and extremely narrow in others, the current criteria for signature moves are obscure, difficult to divine, and needlessly convoluted. The simple fact should be that if a Pokémon or evolutionary line is the only one who can learn a move (barring events), that should be its signature move, and if any other Pokémon can have legal access to it by any means (including intergenerational transfer), it should not be considered a signature move. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:32, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 :I've actually agreed with that for a while; the only reason I undid your edit was because those were the rules lol. Can we please change this? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:12, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
-::I think it's pretty possible to complain both ways.
+::I think I both agree and disagree. I understand how it seems odd for Electroweb's status as a signature move to bounce back and forth, however that's not a particularly common occurrence, and I think it still fits in with the spirit of a signature move. After all, Audino had Secret Power as a signature move in Gen V, even though nearly any Pokémon could exist on those cartridges knowing that move through transfers. I disagree, then, that transfer availability disqualifies a move from being a "signature" move. I also think that the criteria for signature moves are in no way obscure or "difficult to divine", regardless of whether or not I agree with them. A move is a signature move 'in a particular game' if only one family of Pokémon—either evolutionary line or related Legendaries—can learn it without breeding. Transfers and events can be considered reasonable exceptions as they both require interaction outside the game itself (connection to another game or download server—conditions not pre-loaded onto the cartridge). Pretty clear-cut in my opinion. — [[User:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900CC"><b>KiAN</b></span><span style="color:#AA66FF">GLO</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kianglo|<span style="color:#00b7eb"><u>TALK</u></span>]]</sup> 04:19, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
-::We already exclude events or other special circumstances (or {{m|Pay Day}} wouldn't be Meowth's signature move in Gen II/III), and you can kind of view transferred Pokemon like events, if nothing else in the game lets you pass down the move or anything. (...It looks like Hoppip can learn Pay Day by breeding in Gen II, though; by that, I don't support calling it Meowth's signature move for Gen II, actually.)
-::I pretty much think a move should be a signature move in Generation [X] if no one can learn it newly outside of one family. Our intro is plenty ambiguous, though. If we could settle on one definition, I'd certainly love to make it much clearer. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:03, 6 June 2016 (UTC)