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==Ideas==
Here are some ideas: <br>
 
 
Once a name is adopted, and its decided rather or not the newest trio will be Mascot Legendary Trio, the info on the page can be changed. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:19, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 
:So why were these guys moved to the duo page? Considering this is all just fan wankery to begin with it seems absolutely absurd that we need to "wait until Z comes out so it's official" in order to apply a silly fan term to something that's obviously consistent with the trios from every generation since III. [[User:Snorlax69|Snorlax69]] ([[User talk:Snorlax69|talk]]) 18:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 
::Regardless of what you do in regards to them, I don't really think you need a Pokemon Z to justify classifying them as a trio. Their names alone make it very clear with the X, Y, Z thing. And you definitely shouldn't have this "Every core series version mascot since Suicune, excluding the mascots of remakes and X and Y, has been part of a legendary trio" as a trivia thing because it's very clear that Xerneas and Yveltal are part of a trio with Zygarde. [[User:MegaNerd18|MegaNerd18]] ([[User talk:MegaNerd18|talk]]) 18:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Yeah... while considering the Trio a "normal" one (as opposed to a "mascot" one) until Pokémon Z or its equivalent is announced makes some sense (given that the possibility exists for the third version to be cancelled or whatnot), removing the trio entirely (or simply considering it a duo) seems like overkill. Zygarde shares many traits with Xerneas and Yveltal (including the pattern of its moveset, a defining feature of past trios) and its Aura Break ability strongly suggests that it's meant to correspond to Xerneas and Yveltal similarly to how Rayquaza corresponds to Groudon and Kyogre. It has many hallmarks of the third member of a trio, so I don't see why it should be excluded. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
::::There needs to be direct evidence in the game or anime before we will consider Zygarde part of a trio. This should really come as no surprise, this is exactly what we did for Giratina and Kyurem, we waited until their was in game evidence to support that they were part of their trio. --[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 12:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 
Not trying sound off topic Force Fire, but by that logic Meloetta should be the Trio Master for the Kami Trio since its involvement in the Trio's transformation in the anime indicates it holds power over them. However, my attempts a few years ago to bring that into light were largely ignored, and the anime evidence was thrown out since "It wasn't like that in the games"
 
So when does anime cannon and game cannon hold influence on titles such as Duo, Trio and Trio Master? Because if I remember, the legendary bird trio and Lugia are all given their titles of trio and trio master based primarily on the second Pokémon Movie. If the anime holds any power over a set of Pokémon being called either a duo or a trio, or a Pokémon crowned a Trio Master, then by all logic we need to change both the Meloetta and Kami Trio articles to reflect Meloetta's rule over the Kami Trio.
 
Again, I'm not trying to sound off topic. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
:As a general rule of thumb, the games takes precedence over the anime unless the games doesn't state otherwise (as with Lugia and the legendary birds and also the naming of the Force of Nature). Regarding Meloetta, it knew a song that could open up a temple that held the reveal glass, that was all. It calmed down the trio, yes, but that's because that's what Meloetta does, calm Pokémon down.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 08:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 
::Could have worn Meloetta was more involved in the actual transformation. Oh well, given the circumstances, I don't see why we can't wait another year or so for the next game(s) that will likely shed light on their relationship, if any, with Zygarde. The Mortality Duo will just have to be a duo a little while longer. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 
== Nouns or proper nouns ==
:A proper noun is a name, i.e. Bulbasaur which means the name should always be capitalized. "legendary" is not a name, it's a group name, i.e. dog, meaning it's not a proper noun. Therefore it is only capitalized at the beginning of a sentence. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 23:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=2040375&oldid=2039733 Legendary] is a proper term now, so it should be capped for Legendary Pokémon, and as a proper term, Legendary should be capped in "Legendary trio". [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 00:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 
== "Mortality Trio" ==
 
I modified the Mascot Trio section in anticipation of Zygarde being added to the Mortality Duo, making it a Mortality Trio. If/When this is confirmed, please add the modifications to the actual page.
 
Also note that I changed the color of the text to be each type's respective dark color to fit in with Bulbadepia standards. --[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 
{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; margin:auto; width:auto; background: #272727; border: 4px solid #525252"
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! colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | {{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Mascot trios}}
|-
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}" |[[File:383Groudon.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Groudon|{{ground color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:382Kyogre.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Kyogre|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:384Rayquaza.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Rayquaza|{{dragon color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Weather trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}" |[[File:483Dialga.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Dialga|{{steel color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:484Palkia.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Palkia|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" |[[File:487Giratina-Origin.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Giratina|{{ghost color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Creation trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}" |[[File:643Reshiram.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Reshiram|{{fire color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{electric color light}}" |[[File:644Zekrom.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Zekrom|{{electric color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ice color light}}" |[[File:646Kyurem.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Kyurem|{{ice color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Tao trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}" |[[File:716Xerneas.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Xerneas|{{fairy color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" |[[File:717Yveltal.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Yveltal|{{dark color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:718Zygarde.png|96px]]<br>{{pcolor|Zygarde|{{dragon color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Aura trio|Mortality trio}}
|-
|}
 
== Mortality Trio, yet again ==
Quick question here: Why hasn't this been added to the page yet? It's all too obvious, even the shows season has a subtitle of X(erneas)Y(veltal)Z(ygarde). Of course without the names though...[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 05:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 
:Well, again it's still not confirmed completely, they've just put <strike>obvious</strike> ''subtle'' hints that they are, once it's outright confirmed then it will be added.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]07:02, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 
::The problem with that is that the only way they'd be able to do that now is through the tv show. Gen 7 is coming up now, and Nintendo isn't gonna go and add in a random piece of info like that. Actually, that thinking doesn't even make sense. They have never come out and stated that "these three form a trio." It's just always heavily implied because they usually share common themes. Again: Every trio listed on the page has never been confirmed to exist, they're all just pairings from fans like us with strong evidence to support it. Also, it makes more sense to call them the Yggdrasil Trio, as they are all based on Nordic mythology. [[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 07:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::They could connect them via Gen VII, Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan weren't related until Gen II, so anything can happen. The previous trios were outright confirmed, Giratina was made at the same time Dialga and Palkia were born, Kyurem is the shell of the original dragon (which Reshiram and Zekrom are split from, further hammered in by the combined forms), the Regi's shaped the continent (and their connection is further hammered in by Regigigas), the Beast trio where revived by Ho-oh, and the second movie explains the bird trio (I believe).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 07:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Alright, but what happens if they just don't confirm it? What happens if they leave it off as heavily implied? Also, I'd like to point out that Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan have Hex IDs that come right after each other, AND Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original batch that were created, but we're not put into the original games due to limitations.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 08:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::If they don't confirm it, then nothing happens. They would just be left separated. Where's your source that Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original 190? The index list only has those past Scizor to fill in the blanks, it doesn't indicate anything.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 08:24, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Actually, I stumbled across this on the official trading card website when I was researching more about he topic. I don't know if it helps, but I'd like to paste it here and see if it's useful: http://xy10.pokemontcgxy.com/en-us/legendary.php.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 09:01, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That just groups them together, it doesn't shed light on ''how'' they're related.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 09:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 
== Gen VI Trio ==
 
I think it is pretty certain by now that gen VI and now VII broke the template and deviated from the path the other games took. With that said, I think there was enough evidence provided in the SS036 episode to verify that Yveltal, Xerneas and Zygarde are all related under an environmental theme. So I purpose we amend the article to include them under Aura Trio, Eco Trio/Environment trio or XYZ Trio. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:48, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:Sycamore says, "I believe both Xerneas and Yveltal are incarnations of nature that take care of the land, that is their task and their purpose. And when the natural order is undone, Zygarde appears in order to balance it. These three powerful Pokemon preside over the neverending cycle of life." Which is pretty compelling.
 
:I say Aura Trio or Order Trio for the name, preferably Aura Trio. Mortality Trio doesn't make sense with Zygarde, and the Pokémon community calls it mostly by the Aura Trio. But then again, we have chosen fan names in the past over another fan name that is more widely used... --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 13:30, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::I messaged ForceFire yesterday morning, but haven't gotten a response <s>even though I know he/she has been online because of response to other messages</s>. I'm going to link to this discussion on the Zygarde page, and perhaps with another moderator. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 13:55, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Well Mortality was only a placeholder for the Mortality Duo until another fan name was adopted for the two or they were turned into a trio. it was only meant for those two and not meant to apply to a trio. In fact in the earlier days most people had issue with the term "mortality" mistaking it to mean 100% death instead of both life and death. As for the trio, I am leaning more towards Aura Trio since the side game like Pokemon Rumble World make reference to it. That's as cannon as you can get. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Well, we can't really do anything until we get a response. It's been three days since I notified ForceFire. I tried talking to Tiddlywinks and he said that it wasn't his specialty but he'd let ForceFire know. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 14:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Sorry for the delay. The SS036 basis for calling them a trio is good. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:44, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::Cool, I'll add it. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 14:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Now that we're considering them a trio, what should be the name we use for them? Since this isn't the only page affected by the change, I was going to start updating others, like [[Legendary Pokémon]] and [[aura trio|mortality duo]], but I realized I can't do a whole lot without knowing our preferred name for the trio (even if it's something as clunky as "mortality duo and Zygarde"). What name should we be using now? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
:Since there's not really an official name I think we should be going by what the fans use most, but I'm not sure what that is. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 20:57, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::We should just keep it as Aura Trio, since it is being used in Rumble, and the 3 abilities all contain aura. The other fan names are not really as common. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 06:22, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Aura Trio is fine, it's somewhat/semi official if it was used in Rumble.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F1912B">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F6B775">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#5599CA">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#90BDDC">ire</span>]] 07:24, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
::::Now there is the matter of the article stating all trios have a master. I doubt a general consensus has been reached as to if Zygarde is a master of the trio or not. Everyone was adamant in waiting for a third gen VI game to confirm anything but we got gen VII and in the Moon pokedex entry for Zygarde 100% it states "This is Zygarde's 100% form. It has enough power to overwhelm even Xerneas or Yveltal." and given its Aura Break ability and the fact it was sought out by Blue in the manga to put an end to Xerneas and Yveltal's battle. if these three things are not enough for it to be dubbd a master, then the article should be amended to have the statement about masters removed or reworded.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:34, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 
== We could add the Legendary Quartet page? ==
 
Now we have the Musketeers and the Guardian Deities, we could add a page named Legendary Quartet? [[User:Pika fanatic|Pika fanatic]] ([[User talk:Pika fanatic|talk]]) 00:47, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
:Honestly, a page for two groups seems a little bit excessive to me. Duos and trios at least have been a precedent in Pokemon for a while. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 02:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 
== Ultra Necrozma ==
Since Ultra Necrozma now has a Base Stat Total well over 600, is considered a Legendary Pokémon, and is not part of a legendary trio, should the trivia about Mewtwo at the bottom of this page be removed? Also, if it's not removed, at least make a reference to the fact that other Legendary Pokémon can achieve higher BSTs with form changes. --[[User:LavaringX|LavaringX]] ([[User talk:LavaringX|talk]]) 02:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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