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:Per the citation on the {{p|Chespin}} page, the line is canonically based on hedgehogs according to graphic designer Hironobu Yoshida. I don't see any indication that they were also based on armadillos, and I personally think we shouldn't list speculation alongside canon as though both were equally likely. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC) | :Per the citation on the {{p|Chespin}} page, the line is canonically based on hedgehogs according to graphic designer Hironobu Yoshida. I don't see any indication that they were also based on armadillos, and I personally think we shouldn't list speculation alongside canon as though both were equally likely. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
::The citation refers specifically to Chespin being based on a hedgehog. It doesn't really address the later evolutions except in saying they are inspired by RPG-type classes. Chesnaught looks very little like a hedgehog, even less so than Chespin, and while it may have been the starting off point for the concept there are other apparent influences. Pokemon do not have to be, and often aren't, based on just one thing. Compare Chesnaught to a hedgehog (pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Cute-Hedgehog.jpg) and then to an armored mammal like an armadillo, or (better yet) a glyptodont (upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Glyptodon_(Riha2000).jpg). Many features, such as Chesnaught's overall shape, claws, long tail, body armor, and even the "helmet" are very similar to these mammals. While wild speculation should be discouraged, it is worth pointing out that Chesnaught takes design cues from various places. His concept as a hedgehog combined with a chestnut is interesting enough, but the similarities to other creatures shouldn't be considered "wrong" just because an offhand interview response about Chespin didn't outline every single facet of the family's concept. Yes, "canon" states that Chespin is a chestnut/hedgehog, but his evolutions are ever more complex and that should be recognized in the origin section. No harm comes from noting that this Pokemon shares similarities with several real-world species, especially when the article mentions elsewhere that the primary influence was hedgehogs. '''MOST''' Pokemon can't have their inspiration "cited" from the mouth of the creators, but we shouldn't let that limit the completeness of the wiki page in adequately describing the species. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 23:28, 26 December 2013 (UTC) | ::The citation refers specifically to Chespin being based on a hedgehog. It doesn't really address the later evolutions except in saying they are inspired by RPG-type classes. Chesnaught looks very little like a hedgehog, even less so than Chespin, and while it may have been the starting off point for the concept there are other apparent influences. Pokemon do not have to be, and often aren't, based on just one thing. Compare Chesnaught to a hedgehog (pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Cute-Hedgehog.jpg) and then to an armored mammal like an armadillo, or (better yet) a glyptodont (upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Glyptodon_(Riha2000).jpg). Many features, such as Chesnaught's overall shape, claws, long tail, body armor, and even the "helmet" are very similar to these mammals. While wild speculation should be discouraged, it is worth pointing out that Chesnaught takes design cues from various places. His concept as a hedgehog combined with a chestnut is interesting enough, but the similarities to other creatures shouldn't be considered "wrong" just because an offhand interview response about Chespin didn't outline every single facet of the family's concept. Yes, "canon" states that Chespin is a chestnut/hedgehog, but his evolutions are ever more complex and that should be recognized in the origin section. No harm comes from noting that this Pokemon shares similarities with several real-world species, especially when the article mentions elsewhere that the primary influence was hedgehogs. '''MOST''' Pokemon can't have their inspiration "cited" from the mouth of the creators, but we shouldn't let that limit the completeness of the wiki page in adequately describing the species. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 23:28, 26 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::I agree here; the citation is clearly only about the first forms. Even if it wasn't, there are many Pokémon articles that list both the "official" origin and complementary origin speculation. ({{p|Samurott}} is a good example: it wasn't mentioned in the interview, but its helmet is identical to Murex shells) Combine that with the fact that Chesnaught clearly looks like a Glyptodon/armadillo, and I think we really should add the them to the origin ''and'' possibly remove the hedgehog.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 00:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC) | |||