Talk:Gender: Difference between revisions

: PS. And I, not Pumpkinking, was blamed for edit warring. I, who reverted ''once''. Not Pumpkinking, who reverted my reversion. I wasn't even given a chance to respond before being blamed. This Wiki has a massive problem with insularity, as this shows. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 22:45, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

::As I've said on my talk page, I was not aware that the mono-gender list does not already list all Pokemon regardless of whether they are listed elsewhere on the page, and I feel this is a mistake; also, there is a consensus against fanon for Bulbapedia as a whole (excluding the Appendix and Shipping namespaces), so each individual issue doesn't need a separate consensus on it. Finally, I did not revert you. TheOriginalOne did, then 0danmaster restored the section, and I reverted 0danmaster. In my personal opinion, this was not an edit war because no party reverted multiple times in a row, but I'll let the mods handle it as they will.

::The mono-gender table looks ugly anyway, so I'll draft up a new version of it in my userspace and request an admin put it in at their soonest convenience. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:56, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

:::For the record, [[User:Pumpkinking0192/Gender table|this is my draft]], and I've asked {{u|G50}} on her talk page because she was the one who protected the article. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:29, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

::::Okay, sorry for jumping to conclusions a bit, I did not notice there had been another reversion in there. (For the record, though, 0danmaster wasn't warned about edit warring either; only I was, though if there was a war it was in RESPONSE to my edit.) Aspects of the old chart were questionably fanon (well, Rufflet/Vullaby was a reach, version counterparts or no) but fine, my main concern was the loss of the information in its entirety - if I had noticed the re-reversion without the page getting locked, I'd have given up and thrown them into the lower chart, which would have completely pre-empted any edit war. A lot of my reaction is that I do ''not'' like being accused of something I did not do, and this isn't the first time accusations of things I did not do have been thrown my way on this Wiki. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 08:25, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

::::PS. Forgot to say: But I shouldn't have taken it out on you since you didn't make that accusation, so again, sorry. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 08:31, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

:::::I don't get any of this! There are many Pokémon to be stated counterparts of each other in their trivias. Mostly because of a shared location, similar movesets, similar ways to evolve, similar ways of obtaining and simalar base stats. But we can't list Miltank and Tauros here as being counterparts, and that they are also (maybe like coincidentally) of the opposite gender? That makes no sense! [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:13, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

::::::First of all, the fact that they're in trivia instead of the main body of the article is the reason they can get away with not being deleted. Second, they're carefully worded as "may be counterparts" or "can be seen as counterparts" because if they were stated outright as counterparts — as this page previously did — they would immediately get removed for speculation. Third, even as they currently stand, I don't like those trivia and would like to see them deleted, but there seems to be enough of a consensus for them that I'm not going to bother trying. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:45, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

:::::::"A counterpart of the other gender" seems to be everything necessary to be put onto that list. In interviews with Ken Sugimori he stated that Mandibuzz and Braviary are officially counterparts: "According to interviews with Ken Sugimori in Nintendo Dream, Vullaby and Mandibuzz were added late into the development of Black and White. When Mandibuzz was originally created by James Turner, it was unrelated to Braviary, but it was later decided to use its design as a counterpart to Braviary." So they are counterparts, and of the other gender. So they have the right to be on such list! No fan speculation, no whatever. Just facts, confirmation and a fitting list! [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 09:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)