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This shold be merged with Medium since they're the same trainer class. - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 16:12, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | This shold be merged with Medium since they're the same trainer class. - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 16:12, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
:No they aren't. Mediums are ''ikako'' and Channelers are ''shaman''; if they were meant to be the same, one class would have been called the other in Japanese in FRLG or HGSS. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:18, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | :No they aren't. Mediums are ''ikako'' and Channelers are ''shaman''; if they were meant to be the same, one class would have been called the other in Japanese in FRLG or HGSS. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:18, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
::By that argument, R/B/Y/G/S/C/HG/SS Scientist (Researcher Gone Astray) is a different class from the R/S/E/FR/LG/D/P/ | ::By that argument, R/B/Y/G/S/C/HG/SS Scientist (Researcher Gone Astray) is a different class from the R/S/E/FR/LG/D/P/Pt/B/W Scientist (Researcher), and the same goes for Gen III Worker (Working Man) in relation with later generations' Workers (Physical Worker). - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 17:14, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::We're an English wiki, and Scientists and Workers are both called the same thing in English, which is why they're at the same page. Channelers and Mediums are called ''different'' things in both Japanese and English (Pokémon Stadium being an odd outlier data point; a lot of things were funky in Stadium, anyway, so it should be taken with a grain of salt), and neither was changed to the other despite ample opportunity during remakes. There's also the fact that, visually, they're based on completely different things. Just because they both use Ghost-types doesn't mean they're the same Trainer class; we don't merge, for instance, Guitarists, Rockers, Engineers and Musicians just because they all specialize in Electric-types. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:54, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | :::We're an English wiki, and Scientists and Workers are both called the same thing in English, which is why they're at the same page. Channelers and Mediums are called ''different'' things in both Japanese and English (Pokémon Stadium being an odd outlier data point; a lot of things were funky in Stadium, anyway, so it should be taken with a grain of salt), and neither was changed to the other despite ample opportunity during remakes. There's also the fact that, visually, they're based on completely different things. Just because they both use Ghost-types doesn't mean they're the same Trainer class; we don't merge, for instance, Guitarists, Rockers, Engineers and Musicians just because they all specialize in Electric-types. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:54, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
::::Oh, come on now. You can't go deciding whether classes are the same or separate based on the translations, these are based merely on the translators' interpretations and decisions, often taken without even consulting the games' makers. The only way you can know the developers' intentions by going by the original language, otherwise Koga has two daughters (Janine and Charine), Prima from the Anime is a separate character from Lorelei, and so on. That they didn't change their names in the remakes hardly means anything since they're just that, remakes. They kept the Scientist class' original Japanese name in HGSS rather than "updating" it to the current one. And how are Channelers and Mediums visually based on completely different things? They all look like female characters shamans to me. - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 18:38, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | ::::Oh, come on now. You can't go deciding whether classes are the same or separate based on the translations, these are based merely on the translators' interpretations and decisions, often taken without even consulting the games' makers. The only way you can know the developers' intentions by going by the original language, otherwise Koga has two daughters (Janine and Charine), Prima from the Anime is a separate character from Lorelei, and so on. That they didn't change their names in the remakes hardly means anything since they're just that, remakes. They kept the Scientist class' original Japanese name in HGSS rather than "updating" it to the current one. And how are Channelers and Mediums visually based on completely different things? They all look like female characters shamans to me. - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 18:38, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | ||