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Russian name
== Design Origin ==
Shouldn't we add that it appears to be based on a tree frog? --[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 01:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
--[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 01:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:Or a poison dart frog? --[[User:Doggy567123|Doggy567123]] ([[User talk:Doggy567123|talk]]) 22:02, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::I personally don't see that. Besides isn't that what Croagunk is based off of? --[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 02:02, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::I personallyguess donso, but, I'tve seedone that.a Besideslittle isn'tresearch about them, and I think Froakie looks like one. --[[User:Doggy567123|Doggy567123]] that([[User whattalk:Doggy567123|talk]]) Croagunk19:31, is12 basedJanuary off2013 of?(UTC)
--::::Croagunk is based off of a toad, not a frog [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] - additionally all toads are poisonous. But I would agree that it should be included that Froakie resembles some sort of frog, but despite its resemblence to tree frogs and dart frogs I think it's too early to determine that exactly. For now, it should simply be said that "Froakie appears to be based on a blue frog." (and yes, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TOADS AND FROGS. [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAlNintendo101|talk]]) 0223:0254, 1112 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Croagunk is based off of a poison dart frog, according to its origin on this site. Besides, we can never determine what the creator of the Pokemon used for inspiration, unless they explicitly tell us, so we just have to go with our best educated guess as a group. Assuming they did I halfway decent job with the design, we should be able to figure out what they were going for. Finally, I never said their wasn't a difference between frogs and toads (a primary one is toads are more land dwellers, while frogs prefer being in the water more), but, regardless, I do think Froakie is based on a frog (specifically of the tree variety), so I'm not arguing against you there. --[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 00:43, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::I think the point was that it could be any frog. It could be based off of a bullfrog for all we know right now. Either that or I guessam so,misreading butDoggy567123's comment as sarcasm. (also, I thought toads were "wartier" than most frogs or something like that; looking this up there are exceptions to the "wart" rule and the "prefers water to land" or "land to water" rule) Also, {{p|Croagunk}} '''maybe'''ve donebased off of a littlepoison researchdart aboutfrog. But if you ask themme, it is based off of one and the same with {{p|Toxicroak}}, though one of their abilities is {{a|Dry Skin}} and toads are associated with having drier skin, still many things can be argued about this and I'm digressing. think Froakie looks like onea frog-like amphibian, it could be based off of any species of frog or toad for all we know (guessing more frog because of the whole "water-type" thing, and it doesn't look like a {{wp|fire-bellied toad}}). ----[[User:Doggy567123NateVirus|Doggy567123<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Doggy567123NateVirus|talk<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 1902:3128, 1214 January 2013 (UTC)
Can we add that the design is based on a frog in a bubble nest now? I think it's pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:13, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
CroagunkIs isanyone basedwho offcan ofactually aedit toad,the notpage areading frogthis [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]]discussion -page additionally all toads are poisonous. But I would agree that it should be included that Froakie resembles some sort of frog, but despite its resemblence to tree frogs and dart frogs I think it's too early to determine that exactly. For now, it should simply be said that "Froakie appears to be based on a blue frog." (and yes, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TOADS AND FROGS. [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 23:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)anymore?
[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 19:20, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Guess that's a no! [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:52, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
::How about a "Blue Stripeless Frog"? It is widespread throughout France and looks a lot like Froakie.[[]]--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 19:11, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
== Name Origin ==
Froth (as in to bubble) could also be a possibility for the English name. --[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 01:34, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:Considering that the French name is partially derived from "mousse" and it would be odd to have a double animal name derivation rather than say an animal name and a water reference, I'll bet it really is "froth" + "croak" too --[[User:CoolDudeAlJoec|CoolDudeAlJoec]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAlJoec|talk]]) 0120:3442, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::How about Frog + Soak/Croak + Soapy? [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] ([[User talk:AmaranthSparrow|talk]]) 21:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Considering:::How thatabout the"frost" French name is partially derived from+ "moussecroak"? and[[User:Tano|Tano]] it[[User wouldtalk:Tano]] be odd to have a double animal name derivation rather than say an animal name and a water reference18:26, I'll11 betJanuary it really is "froth" + "croak"2013 too(UTC)
::::There has been no indication that Froakie is at all part ice type and I don't know why people come to this conclusion; its Japanese name doesn't even mention ice or cold of any kind. Until we see evolutions or possibly a moveset it is most likely not named after frost, sorry. -- [[User:Joec050294|Joec050294]] ([[User talk:Joec050294|talk]]) 2018:4243, 911 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Does anyone else notice that Froakie's Japanese name, Keromatsu, sounds like Kermit, as in Kermit the Frog? {{unsigned|Personman42}}
:How about :::::Frog + Soak/Croak + Soapy?ie suffix. The end. [[User:AmaranthSparrowScarabola|AmaranthSparrowScarabola]] ([[User talk:AmaranthSparrowScarabola|talk]]) 2115:5640, 912 January 2013 (UTC)
::How:::::I'm aboutjust "frost"pointing +out "croak"?that the German names of both Froakie and Fennekin have X and Y in them, a possible nod to Pokémon X and Y. [[User:TanoDragontail|TanoDragontail]] ([[User talk:TanoDragontail|talk]]) 1819:2651, 112 JanuaryFebruary 2013 (UTC)
:::There:::::The hasname beenmay no indication that Froakie is at all part ice type and I don't know why peoplealso come tofrom thisFroggie conclusion;+ its Japanese name doesn't even mention ice or cold of any kindSoak.. Until we see evolutions or possibly a moveset it is most likely not named after frost, sorry. - [[User:050294|050294CyubicMeasures]] ([[User talk:050294|talk]]) 18:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone else notice that Froakie's Japanese name, Keromatsu, sounds like Kermit, as in Kermit the Frog? {{unsigned|Personman42}}
Frog + Croak + ie suffix. The end. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:40, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
== Froakie's Possible Origins ==
:I think he looks a bit more... professorial than that. The little blobs look more like glasses than a knot. They're not attached to anything, for a start. Plus, I don't think many thieves wear white. I reckon they're meant to resemble pince-nez. Big, white, flowing hair on the back, like a professor, or a composer, or a judge. Could be wrong, though! You might be entirely right - and it's a great spot of research either way, fun read! [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 10:04, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::Actually the dots are "connected" to the pouch via the blue stripe upon its head which lead down its back. This I feel, for this specific Japanese robber image, is pretty fitting considering the openness of their furoshiki masks and perhaps the one stripe being the only connector may have simply been implemented just to emphasize this trait. Also, I wouldn't take color into origin consideration. Pokemon don't necessarily have to be matching the origin with color. Sometimes with specific references, like in delibird's case, correct colors are vital. However, most Pokemon are either colored in bright, odd colors or ones that match with it's typing: Froakie being blue not because of the thief origin but rather because of it's water typing, like how Heatmor is bright red like fire instead of normal anteater colors. Also, thank you for the compliment! I really enjoy analyzing things. So origins, or at least their speculations and research, are my specialty! - [[User:050294|050294]] ([[User talk:050294|talk]]) 14:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:::I think that stripe is just decoration, and Froakie is based off of Ben Franklin or another scientist. [[User:Dralcax|(O++O) Dralcax]] ([[User talk:Dralcax|talk]]) 18:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I::::How thinkdoes thatit striperesemble isBen justFranklin decoration,or scientists at all? For one thing not all have white hair and Froakiethe second thing is that the white extensions are based offupon foam, not hair. With this same insane logic, one could say Swablu and Altaria somehow resemble scientists as well because of Bentheir Franklinfluffy white bodies, and that's just insane. Sorry, but unless an evolution's name has a scientist in it or anotherany bit of scientist design inspiration than this origin claim is just incredibly ludicrous. - [[User:Dralcax050294|(O++O) Dralcax050294]] ([[User talk:Dralcax050294|talk]]) 1819:5809, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
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::::::I believe the picture that resembles Froakie so much must be [ this one], given the glasses, hair and cravat represented by the foam. It's name also resembles "Franklin". [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 01:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Welp, considering the game's release as well as the anime's, there's quite a bit of evidence now that Froakie is more or less partially based upon Japanese folklore thieves, though its evolution Greninja eventually rids itself of this origin and leans more for the ninja origin. Anyways as I talked about earlier a long time ago, you've probably seen [ this example image] of the Japanese folklore thief, which does quite resemble Froakie. Taking into account the species actions in anime and the game so far, this reference is more than likely deliberate. Froakie has been shown to retract its bubble "pack" and using it very similarly to the aforementioned thieves. [ This screenshot], for example, shows froakie retracting its chest bubbles and using both it, and the ones on its back, and placing them upon its face, acting as a pretty obvious reference to a thief's furoshiki bag. - [[User:050294|050294]] ([[User talk:050294|talk]]) 08:53, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
== Ability ==
::Actually, you can set the gender ratio to 256 and it makes it appear as "Unknown". I have done so. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Aha! Thank you, Snorlax! <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 05:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
== Choppiness of paragraph regarding its status as "first-introduced" of the generation ==
Am I the only one who finds that beginning a sentence... no, an entire paragraph, with "It- alongside ... blah blah blah- was the first... " gives the paragraph an excessively choppy flow?
Every time I encounter this sentence in the pages for all 3 Gen 6 Starters, I have to re-read it to understand what it's saying.
I'm a native English speaker/reader, so I think there is a legitimate issue here. I propose just saying "It was one of the first... ", because the list of other Pokémon that were introduced with it isn't particularly relevant to the individual Pokémon. [[User:Stang|Stang]] ([[User talk:Stang|talk]]) 04:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
:I think I have a sugggestion to improve the sentence. "It was one of the first Generation VI Pokémon to be revealed, along with as Xerneas, Yveltal, and the <nowiki>[[Chespin|other]]</nowiki> <nowiki>[[Fennekin|two]]</nowiki> starters, to the public on January 8, 2013, as part of a special <nowiki>[[Nintendo Direct|Pokémon Direct]]</nowiki> broadcast." --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:27, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
::I see nothing wrong with it. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 19:59, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
:::I really dislike that "<nowiki>[[Chespin|other]]</nowiki> <nowiki>[[Fennekin|two]]</nowiki>" style. It is far better to just list them rather than linking random bits of text until you've listed things in links. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 04:30, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
::::Would this be better then? "It was one of the first Generation VI Pokémon to be {{tt|revealed to the public, along with the legendary Pokémon, Xerneas and Yveltal, and the other two starters, Chespin and Fennekin, on January 8, 2013|another way might be &quot;[...] revealed, along with: Xerneas, Yveltal, Chespin, and Fennekin. This was on January 8, 2013 [...]}} as part of a special <nowiki>[[Pokémon Direct]]</nowiki> broadcast." I know that the first suggestion in this message is a bit comma heavy and the tt suggestion splits the sentence into two, but they are the best suggestions I have at the moment. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:04, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
:::::It can be made a lot simpler just by putting: "Along with {{p|Chespin}}, {{p|Fennekin}}, {{p|Xerneas}}, and {{p|Yveltal}}, it was the first [[Generation VI]] Pokémon to be revealed to the public, being revealed on January 8, 2013 as part of the {{DL|Nintendo Direct|Pokémon Direct}} broadcast." I don't think it even needs to be specified that the other two are starter Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:48, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
::::::Doing a quick comparison, I believe that is is the most natural sentence with the same meaning as the original text. I think that it would work out nicely. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 08:20, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
:::::::All changed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:48, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
== Looks ==
This probably wasn't Nintendo's intention, but to me, it looks like Benjamin Franklin. Maybe it's just me, but the fluff on his nose looks like glasses, and his 'hair'(If that's hair) looks like Ben Franklin's. [[User:Purrloin!|Purrloin]][[User talk:Purrloin!|!]] [[Purrloin|Meow!!!]]
:Its appearance could be based on powdered wigs in general; however, Froakie's "wig" has also been interpreted as a backpack, as part of a burglar theme. We should probably wait to see its evolutions&mdash;which will confirm which idea they were going for&mdash;before adding Ben Franklin to its design origins. [[User talk:Yeyjordan|<font color="#aaa">yey</font><font color="#969">jordan</font>]] 07:32, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
== Special abilities ==
Should be added that "It can jump to as high as a third floor of a building", "The bubbles on its back and chest are bouncy, which can protect it from enemy attacks" and "It can temporarily blind its opponents when launching foam onto their faces" in the Special Abilities section. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
==German name==
According to the Pokéwiki [] its German name is likely to come from ''Frosch'' and the words ''oxygen'' and ''{{wp|Proxy (climate)|proxy}}''. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 10:39, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
== Attacks ==
According to [ here], the attacks of Froakie, Fennekin and Chespin have been revealed. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 18:46, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
:...That's been around for weeks. And they're not being added until we know that's the way they're being learned in-game. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 19:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
== Korean name for Froakie ==
Until the page gets unlocked... here's Froakie's [ Korean name]: 개구마르 ''Gaegumareu'' -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:57, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:Took me a little bit, but here's what ''Gaegumareu'''s name (most likely) comes from:
:* 개구리 ''gaeguri'' (frog)
:* 말 ''mal'' (沫, bubble, foam, froth)
:It's sort of a translation of its Japanese name... though not including part about the onomatopoeia for a frog's croaking (as that's 개골개골 ''gae'gol-gae'gol''). However, I can't exactly account for why 말 ''mal'' got turned into 마르 ''mareu''. I'll just have to sort it out later. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 05:05, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
== Type ==
Based on Froakie's moveset from the demo, would it be safe to assume that Froakie's evolutions will be Water/Ghost combo? I know lick isn't a very decisive attack, since alot of pokémon can learn it, but the only other move that might show his typing is Round, which would mean the evolutions would be dual Water/Normal type. Or maybe I'm just overthinking the entire thing (Most likely option)? --[[User:IwAsSoMeGuY|IwAsSoMeGuY]] ([[User talk:IwAsSoMeGuY|talk]]) 21:17, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
:I'd say no, because that's speculation. It's best to wait until they're revealed to say what the type is. [[User:Turtwig A|<font color="#CD7F32">Turtwig</font> <font color="#FF7F00">A</font>]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|<font color="#green">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|<font color="#yellow">contribs</font>]]) 21:31, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
::Virtually all Pokemon can learn moves not of their type. It's absolutely zero indication whatsoever. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
== Gekogashira --> Frogadier ==
The prev/next template, and the beginning "evolves into" part of the article need to be changed to [[Frogadier]] instead of Gekogashira. Thank You!--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:57, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
== Russian name ==
Can someone please add this since the page is protected
|ru=Фроки ''Froki''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
to the in other languages section. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span>]][[User talk:Raltseye|<span style="color:#6890F0">e</span><span style="color:#6464FF">y</span><span style="color:#6890F0">e</span>]] 14:22, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:Done. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 14:41, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span>]][[User talk:Raltseye|<span style="color:#6890F0">e</span><span style="color:#6464FF">y</span><span style="color:#6890F0">e</span>]] 16:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)