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Incorrect base experience values for Gen VI
Are all the values updated for gen V? Some of them seem to not have been updated (for example, Silcoon and Cascoon having quite different base yields)...
Thanks for taking the time to check it up! [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 06:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 
: Can we get confirmation that all the base Exp values in this list are actually now correct, and are the Gen 5 values? Thanks. ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] ([[User talk:Serial Colour|talk]]) 22:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:: I've tested a number of these values, and many are not the Gen 5 values. They were taken from the individual species pages, which are also inaccurate. The values I did get are consistent with the list on this website: http://upokecenter.dreamhosters.com/dex/?lang=en&view=baseexp. I wanted to say this before the values were corrected and anyone got trigger-happy with the "revert edit" function. ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] ([[User talk:Serial Colour|talk]]) 18:01, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 
::: The values i got for Generation I (Gameshark Pokemon Yellow) are consistent with the ones provided by the site http://upokecenter.dreamhosters.com/dex/?lang=en&version=yellow&view=baseexp too. [[User:T-Rex_Lord|T-Rex_Lord]] 01:56, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 
== Old experience yield ==
 
Is there any sort of way someone could add a way to sort by region dex or by generation? And maybe to sort by more than one criteria. Like sort to the top the pokemon who yield the most special attack in Unova. [[User:Theviolinkid|Theviolinkid]] 01:07, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
:It isn't possible to sort by more than one criteria. And I believe the only way to sort by regional dex would be to add a column for each regional dex number, which would make the table prohibitively wide. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 06:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 
== Experience ==
 
What are the "other variables" which determine experience yield? A formula would be nice. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] ([[User talk:Tk3141|talk]]) 03:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
:See [[experience]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 04:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 
== Needs Redirect ==
 
If I'm not mistaken, this page doesn't redirect "List of Pokemon by effort value yield" to itself. This should probably be fixed, considering that most other pages are willing to except Pokemon with the wrong 'e'. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure how to do that. --[[User:Cedrickc|Cedrickc]] ([[User talk:Cedrickc|talk]]) 15:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:"List of pokemon by effort value yield" does, and since the search bar ignores case (unless there are two articles with the same name but a different case) it has the same function. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 15:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 
== Accurate from Gen V and later ==
 
The article states the figures are accurate from Gen V onward, is this statement true as of Gen VI, or has this some how changes for one or more Pokémon or is no longer applicable. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 07:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 
== Gen VI EV yields ==
 
Thanks to [[Super Training]] this should be easy to verify in Gen VI -- just take an untrained Pokemon, defeat one wild Pokemon of the desired species, then use a Reset Bag on it. Any volunteers to fill in the gaps? (Infoboxes on species pages also need updating with the info.) For example, {{p|Helioptile}}'s EV yield appears to be +1 Speed. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 21:15, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 
== Kalos Pokémon's EV yields ==
 
Do we have sources for the EV yields for Kalos Pokémon? --[[User:Cinday123|<span style="color:pink">Cinday123</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Cinday123|<span style="color:lightblue">Talk</span>]])''</small> 05:24, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 
== Equation for base Exp ==
 
I came across [http://www.dragonflycave.com/makefake.aspx this website], and towards the bottom it has some equations for calculating the Gen 5 base Exp value for a species based on its BST. The equations are as follows:
 
BST * 4/20, rounded to nearest whole number - first evolution
BST * 7/20, rounded to nearest whole number - second evolution or non-evolving non-legendary
BST * 9/20, rounded to nearest whole number - third evolution or legendary
 
There are a few exceptions, such as the Audino/Chansey lines (lots of Exp is their thing) and the Unova starters (because you face 2 of them immediately), and some Pokémon being treated as being in different tiers according to their strengths/weaknesses (e.g. Volcarona is treated as being in the legendary tier).
 
Should this information be put somewhere? ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] ([[User talk:Serial Colour|talk]]) 22:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 
I would like to see this on the main page, since it is accurate for the majority of Pokémon. Though we might need to have a disclaimer stating that Pokémon with updated stats in Gen VI didn't gain new Base Experience values. [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 22:10, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 
== Should Watchog's B/W EV should be added as a note? ==
 
In Black/White Watchog's EV was 1 Attack. Should we add that as a note under its current EV yield, like how it is on its page?
[[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 08:31, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
:It ''is'' noted, although it's hidden, since the template doesn't cover things like that. {{unsigned|Eridanus}}
 
==Florges==
Floette and Florges both give two Special Defense EVs each. Is this a mistake or is Florges meant to only give two EVs despite it being third in line in its evolutionary family? --''' ''<span style="color:#AB0047">Scribbl</span>'' ''' 03:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 
== A seperate list for Gen I-IV base experience ==
 
Since most Pokémon had their base experience altered in Gen V, I think it would be best to have a separate list within this page, or in another page like how Base Stat lists are separated for Gen I, Gen II-V and Gen VI+. [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 12:15, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, there should be a separate page. For reference, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_effort_value_yield&diff=1245700&oldid=1217891 this] is right before Gen V changes were made to this page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:37, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 
== Incorrect base experience values for Gen VI ==
 
I have noticed that several dozen Pokémon on this page have different values for base experience than the values given on veekun.com's Pokédex. I have compiled a list of the conflicting values [http://pastebin.com/RyVJKstf here]. Nearly all of them are final evolutions, with the base experience value 4 or 5 points higher according to the veekun data. This leads me to believe there was an intentional recalibration of base experience values by Gamefreak in Gen VI for several final evolutions (and alternate forms, and Megas, and some others as well) that Bulbapedia never noticed. Or, maybe the veekun data is wrong and this page is correct. But given this page's lack of form data (Megas, Eternal Floette, Rotom, Kyurem), I'm more inclined to believe veekun. Could someone more knowledgable than me verify which source is correct? And if it's not Bulbapedia, update the page appropriately? [[User:Porygon137|Porygon137]] ([[User talk:Porygon137|talk]]) 20:08, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
:According to Wayback Machine archives from February 2013, it's a case of [http://web.archive.org/web/20130210010549/http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/pidgeot mixed] [http://web.archive.org/web/20130209231614/http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/kyurem?form=black bag].[[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 20:48, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
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