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Evolution and Eevee: new section
hi...i am the submitter of the edited version of the in game maps to make into one map and i fixed the file and uploaded the new file but the thumbnail on this page wont change...if nayobdy could help it would...well, help
thanks!
[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|100px|The end result]]
:Sure thing. Changing an image's size is easy. Now, here's the data as written on the page:
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
DO ANIMALS EXIST IN THIS WORLD!!! (other than the worms being eaten by Pigeotto in Episode 3)
 
:Yes. The episode in the Cerulean Gym shows fish swimming in the aquarium. Also, in the one with Brutella, there are fish swimming outside of the windows of the underwater resort. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">S</span><span style="color: red">h</span><span style="color: brown">i</span><span style="color: red">n</span><span style="color: brown">y</span> <span style="color: red">N</span><span style="color: brown">o</span><span style="color: red">c</span><span style="color: brown">t</span><span style="color: red">o</span><span style="color: brown">w</span><span style="color: red">l</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">T</span><span style="color: red">a</span><span style="color: brown">l</span><span style="color: red">k</span>]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|<span style="color: brown">T</span><span style="color: red">r</span><span style="color: brown">i</span><span style="color: red">v</span><span style="color: brown">i</span><span style="color: red">a</span> <span style="color: brown">q</span><span style="color: red">u</span><span style="color: brown">i</span><span style="color: red">z</span>]]</sup>[[Image:224MS.gif]] 21:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 
Not to mention that a coral reef (yes, they are classified as animals) was seen in the Manaphy movie.
:::::::Look, this is silly. You were the same one stressing months ago that Unova had the "motif" of New York City rather than being "based on" New York City. Now you're arguing the opposite, that the culture of the Pokémon World is "based on" Japanese culture rather than simply including elements of Japanese culture. Yes, the original games are Japanese, and probably drew from the experience the developers had in their own culture. But they're not averse to drawing from other cultures; indeed, the Pokémon world seems to be as varied culturally as our own (besides currency, which is kept the same in all games for consistency's sake). --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 
::::::::I do not say that Ithe amJapanese basedculture onis Japana base. I wanted to object that the culture of Japan was little.
::::::::Sawamular101「In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.」
 
::::::::This is my remark. If the symbol of another country is arranged, . that brought the culture of another country.
 
::::::::If "Currency" and "Name of person" and "name of region and City/Town" is consistent, it may be called a culture.
 
::::::::I'm sorry in unskilled English. Is the discussion impossible?[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 
::::::::I got the impression from the third party.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:SnorlaxMonster]
 
::::::::I think, original is "Especial". However, there is a person who says, "not Especial", too.
::::::::Because various ideas are respected, let's concede each other. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 
== Scandinavia x2? ==
:::''When rotated 90 degrees, some continents or parts of them shown in Team Rocket's computer [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|highly resemble]] areas of the real world, such as {{wp|Greenland}}, {{wp|Fennoscandia}} & {{wp|Novaya Zemlya}}.''
:::<small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 22:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 
== Does the Pokemon look like the world of the monotheism in an English version? ==
 
I was surprised for Celebi not to be worshiped as a god in an English version.
 
Celebi(もりのかみさま/God(KAMI) of Forest) Ilex Forest shrine
Mesprit(かんじょうのかみ/God(KAMI) of feelings) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)
 
Uxie(ちしきのかみ/God(KAMI) of knowledge) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)
 
Azelf(いしのかみ/God(KAMI) of will) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)
 
Dialga(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine
 
Palkia(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine
 
Landorus(畑の神様/God(KAMI) of field.) Abundant Shrine
 
This information is described in Japanese Pokedex. It looks like polytheism in a Japanese version.
 
I know there is a problem in the translation of KAMI(god or spirit). However, all are same classes as KAMI when seeing from the viewpoint of Shintoism(Japanese).
 
Does an English version write only "Arceus" as a god? Does Pokemon's world (English version) look like the monotheism? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say.. But I don't think we should base the whole world's belief on the known Pokemon we have. Here on Earth, are we monotheistic or polytheistic? Neither, because the world is not one. I don't think that Arceus was ever confirmed to be a "god" in the Pokemon games, at least in the english games. The games only stated that Arceus is the "creator" of the world. Big difference. As for Celebi and the others, I have no idea since I don't read Japanese. Also, ''please'' click on the "Show preview" button before pushing the "Save page" button. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 14:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 
::Thank you for the instruction. I am not insisting by the guess.
::A Japanese version obviously has the element of polytheism. The shrine is called HOKORA(Small Shinto shrine). And, it is explained that a specific Pokemon is KAMI(GOD or spirit).
 
:: It is a setting that doesn't exist in an English version. I think that it is a big difference related to the world setting if differing from a Japanese version. I am not hostile to the monotheism. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Nothing is ever stated as actually being a god in the English games, but Arceus is the creator, thus a god.
:::What the English games state:
::::Celebi: "forest's protector" (CHGSS, on the shrine itself), "forest's guardian" (Crystal only, the girl in the Celebi event)
::::Uxie: The Being of Knowledge
::::Mespirit: The Being of Emotion
::::Azelf: The Being of Willpower
::::Dialga and Palkia: I can't really find anything, but if you gave me the Japanese sentence I could probably locate the English equivalent. At best, they are called "beings".
::::Landorus: Again, having trouble finding anything calling it something that might have been translated from ''kami'', but giving me the Japanese text may allow me to locate the English translation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:59, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 
:::::Celebi(crystal Pokedex) もりのかみさま として まつられる。きれいな もりが あるところ そこに セレビィは あらわれる
 
:::::Uxie(diamond Pokedex) ちしきのかみ と よばれている。 めを あわせた ものの きおくを けしてしまう ちからを もつという。
 
:::::Mespirit(diamond Pokedex) かなしみの くるしさと よろこびの とうとさを ひとびとに おしえた。 かんじょうのかみ と よばれている。
 
:::::Azelf(diamond Pokedex) いしのかみ と よばれている。 みずうみの そこで ねむりつづけ せかいの バランスを とっている。
 
:::::Dialga(diamond Pokedex) じかんを あやつる ちからを もつ。 シンオウちほうでは かみさまと よばれ しんわに とうじょうする。
 
:::::Palkia(diamond Pokedex) くうかんを ゆがめる のうりょくを もち シンオウちほうの しんわでは かみさまとして えがかれている。
 
:::::Landorus(black Pokedex) ランドロスが 訪れる 土地は 作物が たくさん 実るため 畑の神様と 言われている。
 
:::::Lugia (silver Pokedex) うみのかみさま(God(KAMI) of the sea) と つたえられる ポケモン。あらしのよる すがたを みたという はなしが つたえられる。
 
:::::There is no shrine in Lugia. "Palkia" and "Dialga" are explained deity in an English version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Oh, Pokédex entries. That makes it much easier.
:::::::Celebi: "guardian of the forest"
:::::::The [[Lake trio]] remain the same as I mentioned before (I checked their Pokédex entries already)
:::::::Dialga: "ancient deity"
:::::::Palkia: "deity"
:::::::Lugia: "guardian of the seas"
:::::::Landorus: "The Guardian of the Fields"
::::::So ''kami'' is translated as either deity, being or guardian, with only deity implying that it is a god. This is probably due to the sensitivity of mentioning religion in any fiction in the western world. However, I would like to point out that English fans refer to {{p|Tornadus}}, {{p|Thundurus}}, and {{p|Landorus}} collectively as the [[kami trio]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 
::::::::I want to question you on Pokemon world(English version). Do you see it like polytheism or monotheism?
 
::::::::Most of the Pokemon that is called KAMI in a Japanese version is related to the shrine(hokora). Could you understand there is an element of polytheism in a Japanese version? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:28, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I understand how polytheism is more evident in the Japanese version. It seems to be more of the fact that they are worshiped rather than actually being gods. Arceus is the creator, but is nor worshiped, except perhaps by the people who built the [[Sinjoh Ruins]]. So I would believe that the people of the Pokémon world view these Pokémon as gods, but Arceus is the true creator. However, it depends on whether you restrict the status of god to being something directly involved in creation, or something that is worshiped as one. I see how both monotheism and polytheism can be interpreted from the Pokémon world. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::Thank you for the explanation. It was a happy discussion. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::The opinion of kami trio had been forgotten. I cannot propose it concerning the change in the name. I think that kami trio is a good name. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 
== South America ==
 
In the Pokemon mansion on Cinnabar Island one of the scientist's notes mentions that Mew was found in South America. Would it be okay to add that to the trivia section? [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 10:25, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
:Edit - Nevermind haha, the page already mentioned that. I figured it would be under trivia so I missed it. My bad. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 10:27, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 
==Biggest cities==
 
Should we add a list of the biggest cities in Pokémon world? [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 17:10, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
:I personally don't think it's very notable, in the games articles it is already stated. And since this is overarching and not just the games, manga, anime, everything. So I don't think it would be a good idea. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 23:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 
== A change between games ==
 
Is it just the Japanese-to-English translations, or something else, that makes the "Pokemon World" of Generations I and II-V so different? In Generation I, a lot of real-world places were mentioned (example being the mention of China in a Pokedex entry, and South America in Pokemon Mansion journals). Mew was credited as being the ancestor of Pokemon, there were few legendaries, and there were many mentions of Pokemon as originating from extra-terrestrial sources. To me, it all seemed like a scientific sort of world. But in Generation II and onward, it turned increasingly into a world dominated, as well as created, by little 'gods' (you can hardly throw a stick now without hitting a legendary, and the number increases with each generation). I disliked this change, and I wonder what brought it about (it's odd considering the game was created by a man's love for bug-collecting).
 
My point is, perhaps this odd change could be given a sort of technical mention? Unless this article is more focused on 'playing the game' (as Sherlockians call it), pretending that the game is 'real' in a sense and must be consistent throughout, paving over inconsistencies with excuses and theories... I'm no "later-gen" basher, because so far I really like Black and White. I just think it's a notable shift in the series. It may even be something to turn some 'nostalgia' players off. [[User:KaizokuShojo|KaizokuShojo]] 06:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
: It could be. I don't know what other users think about this but to me there are three canons that are different from others and may not be the same: games make up their own world, anime and mangas have their own, different worlds as they all are made by different companies and people and differ so much. Actually one could say that Pokemon world(s) is( or are) a paraller universe(s) to our own or other Pokemon worlds, as there are Andies and so on. The regions like Johto and Sinnoh could be the Kansai region and Hokkaido in a different universe(s). Plus it should be noted that as being the first, Gen I was different in many ways. Usually people don't know what direction they are taking the games or other things which is what I believe was the case with Game Freak. They backfilled their consepts in Gen II and onwards. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 12:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 
== pokemon as food ==
 
Perhaps worthy of mention, I recall there having been both ham and sausage in the anime, most likely made of Pokemon, since there's not many animals running around--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
:Actually, at least in the Original series, there WERE animals. Besides, the Pokedex names for various Pokémon had to imply animals existed to some degree, and based on the implications of various Pokémon games, killing Pokémon is looked down upon. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle Mchairybug|talk]]) 15:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 
== Alternate versions ==
 
I'd like to note the existance of alternate versions of it, shown by the mentions of each other as alternate worlds in Black/Black 2 and White/White 2, what Zinnia says in the Delta episode and what Archie/Maxie says about them reawakening Kyogre/Groudon in another world, but I can't work out where it goes. Can anyone help? [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 11:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
:I agree that adding a section about the multiverse would be good. As obvious as this may seem, I would suggest placing this section at the end of the article after Physics and Technology, because that is what it is most closely related to. You could also place it as a subcategory, since multiverse theory is technically physics and the ORAS link cable was a large, new piece of technology. [[User:Tneal2|Tneal2]] 13:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 
== Evolution and Eevee ==
 
In the Evolution section, it states that Burmy is the closest thing Pokemon has to actual evolution. I'm assuming the reference used is Burmy's HGSS Pokédex entry: ''"It covers itself with a cloak to shelter from the cold. When it's hot, its cloak is thinner."'' While I do understand this reasoning, what about [[Eevee]]? Here's its Gold entry: ''"It has the ability to alter the composition of its body to suit its surrounding environment."'' In my opinion, this is a better example of real-life evolution because Eevee changes its entire biology while Burmy only changes its cloak, which actually is not even part of its body at all. [[User:Striker212|Striker212]] ([[User talk:Striker212|talk]]) 19:47, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
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