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 |<big>'''''New messages to the bottom please. If you post here I will reply here, If I post a comment on another page I will likely be watching it, so please keep the discussion there. Otherwise it gets too hard to follow the conversation.<br/>Please leave any talk page maintenance, including the removal of rule-breaking comments, to a {{Bp|staff|staff member}}.'''''</big>
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 I've noticed there is a small error there (that is, it says "Gen. I-IV" even if Pokémon didn't originate from Generation 1), also there shouldn't be tooltip for New Dex No. if Pokémon's Johto Dex No. is 101 or smaller, since up {{p|Yanma|to that}} they're the same. [[User:Uploader|Uploader]] ([[User talk:Uploader|talk]]) 07:33, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
+:Thanks for mentioning those. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 00:06, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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 Don't mean to bother you or anything, but all original Pokémon have their infobox images as their Red and Blue art and its not September 30th. Glitch?--[[User:Weavilewarrior|Weavile Warrior]] ([[User talk:Weavilewarrior|talk]]) 21:57, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 :See [[Talk:Meowth (Pokémon)#Art]]. — [[User:Reshi643|<span style="color:#7038F8">Reshi</span>]][[User talk:Reshi643|<span style="color:#F08030">643</span>]] 22:02, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
-::::I find it silly that users should have to hunt down a minuscule talkpage for an answer to a simple question. I think it's an issue that the notices on the talk pages do not mention this date as one of the dates for the artwork switching. Confusion will only continue unless it's addressed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]]''''' 22:28, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
+::I find it silly that users should have to hunt down a minuscule talk page for an answer to a simple question. I think it's an issue that the notices on the talk pages do not mention this date as one of the dates for the artwork switching. Confusion will only continue unless it's addressed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]]''''' 22:28, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
+:::If anyone's interested in mainspacing it, I made [[User:Pumpkinking0192/Template:TalkArtworkNotice|a template]] we can put on the top of these pages so we can update them all simultaneously when something like this happens. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
+== 50.Grind ==
+Hi, I have written two articles on Wikipedia - [[wikipedia:50.Grind|50.Grind]] and their song [[wikipedia:Gotta Catch 'Em All|Gotta Catch 'Em All]]. Would they be notable enough for inclusion here, and if so, would I be able to just copy my articles over here?--[[User:Tmwps|Tmwps]] ([[User talk:Tmwps|talk]]) 21:38, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
+:The former I would say no. We can just link to the Wikipedia article where it matters. The latter could get an article, but it would need more than what's on that wikipedia article before it'd be considered a worthwhile page. Check the [[Bulbapedia:Project_Music#Song_articles|Project Music]] page for what's expected. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 08:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
+== Underleveled Pokémon ==
+Hello, Werdnae.  I wanted to discuss a potential change with you on how Underleveled Pokémon are presented on the [[Level]] article.  At present, the [[Level#Underleveled Pokémon|current section]] is a few short paragraphs that only mention a few examples of Pokémon in the wild and in battles with Trainers that are not yet to the proper level to evolve.  I was wondering if you would be alright if a standalone article could be created about the Underleveled Pokémon, along with [[User:Super goku/Sandbox/Underleveled Table|a table for a list]] of all the instances where it has occurred in trainer battles at the least.  Thank you for your time.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:05, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
+:My initial thought was that it might be too common to be worth noting, but I don't have the time to look into it properly it while I'm focusing on templates for XY. I don't want to make a decision on it yet because of that. If another staff member wants to jump in and make that decision, I'll trust their judgement. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 00:06, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
+::I will admit that there are quite a few Pokémon per generation listed, I feel that it is somewhat similar in content to the [[Game move errors]] article, though I understand that being close to XY could be a problem timewise.  Would it be alright if I were to ask Kogoro for their opinion in this matter?  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:32, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
+== Plasma Blast ==
+I have attempted to correct a simple factual inaccuracy on {{TCG|Plasma Blast|this page}} twice, however [[user talk:Maverick Nate|Maverick Nate]] has reverted it both times with little explanation. I attempted to resolve this issue on his talk page over two weeks ago, but he did not respond and simply reverted my change again immediately (with a very slight change in the wording that doesn't really clarify how it's factually correct). I would appreciate it if you could step in and encourage him to either more thoroughly explain the reasoning behind the reverts or to stop making the reverts. [[User:Viskiv|Viskiv]] ([[User talk:Viskiv|talk]]) 07:38, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
+:I looked over the issue, and I think I understand what Nate is trying to say. Because the G Scope and G Booster provide Genesect with an extra move, they're essentially like TMs. TMs wouldn't work in the TCG like they do in the games, so I think what he's saying is that they're the next best thing to TMs that the TCG is going to get. They're the first item cards that provide a Pokémon with an extra attack. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 08:27, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
+::That line of thinking seems like pure speculation, though. It's certainly not a fact that G Booster and G Scope are meant to represent a new form of TMs, especially given that they only work with a single Pokemon. Although this is also speculation, I believe they were meant to represent the same concept as Genesect's signature hold items - which seems logical to me, given that tools represent hold items. However, regardless of whether or not that particular thought is true, the statement "Because Technical Machines in the Pokémon games now have unlimited uses, attacks are now present on Pokémon Tool cards" is in no way a concrete fact. It is true that there are no TMs in the set and there are two (special, rare, out of the ordinary) tool cards with attacks on them, but that doesn't mean that they're replacing, or meant to replace, TMs at all. To say that those two cards are setting some kind of precedent for how something like TMs will be handled going forward is assuming a bit much, in my opinion.  [[User:Viskiv|Viskiv]] ([[User talk:Viskiv|talk]]) 14:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
+:::Feel free to ''reword'' it as you like, just don't simply ''remove'' the content. First Tools with attacks on them is notable, and it is difficult to work with the content when it keeps getting removed. Please, modify it as you seem fit, just don't outright remove the entire topic when it seems that you have a problem with only 1 of the sentences. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 14:53, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
+::::Prior to this discussion I was not actually aware that they were the first tools with attacks on them - I agree that this is notable and should be mentioned. Not knowing that at the time, I didn't think there was anything notable about what I was removing. It would have been nice to have had this discussion two weeks ago! [[User:Viskiv|Viskiv]] ([[User talk:Viskiv|talk]]) 03:32, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
+==Itemlist template and edit protected Pokémon page==
+Can you add the XY parameters to the [[Template:Itemlist|Itemlist]] template and remove the indefinite edit protection on {{p|Noivern}}? '''[[User:Lady Ariel|<span style="color:magenta">Lady</span>]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|<span style="color:orange">Ariel</span>]]''' 23:26, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
+== Template:Pokémon Infobox - Forme Problem ==
+Hiya there. I wanted to add all the 18 versions of [[Vivillon]] to it's page but it seems this template is limited to max 6 forms. Do you have any idea how we could solve this problem? --[[User:Sekuiya|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#619DD9;">Sekuiya</span>]][[User talk:Sekuiya|<sup><span style="color:#FF7B1B;">talk</span></sup>]] 01:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+:Use a gallery in the biology section. Eighteen is far too many images for an infobox, it would push everything so far down the page that it defeats the purpose. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 02:48, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+::Any suggestions, or example, on how to create that gallery? Like image size, for example. --[[User:Sekuiya|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#619DD9;">Sekuiya</span>]][[User talk:Sekuiya|<sup><span style="color:#FF7B1B;">talk</span></sup>]] 03:01, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+:::Okay, I followed your suggestion, thought it didn't turn out all that pretty, though that's maybe because it's lacking images, just found I'm not able to upload them. Regardless, iff you could check it out I would be much appreciated. Another thing, since I'm not using the "forme" thingy, is there a way to add to the main pic under it "Meadow Vivillon", like it would add if using the "forme" thingy? --[[User:Sekuiya|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#619DD9;">Sekuiya</span>]][[User talk:Sekuiya|<sup><span style="color:#FF7B1B;">talk</span></sup>]] 03:43, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+::::Looks fine to me, and yeah, it'll fix itself up once the images are uploaded. There isn't a way to have it with the way it's currently set up. For now, it'll be fine as it is, as NPC trainers all have that pattern. I'll try and remember to fix that next time I need to adjust something. I don't want to do it right away because that's a really high use template and I need to limit how frequently it's edited. Thanks for helping out. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 03:56, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+== {{p|Abra}} ==
+For some reason, it doesn't show the G4 yield, only G1-G3 and G5+. The field is filled out, but doesn't show... [[User:Uploader|Uploader]] ([[User talk:Uploader|talk]]) 11:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
+:Fixed. The parameter needs to be "g4exp", whereas it was set in the "gen4exp" parameter, which doesn't exist. Thanks for noticing. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 19:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
+== breedh/6 template ==
+You're the one who created the levelh/6 and tmh/6 and tutorh/6 templates, so I suppose you'll know more immediately what's needed to create a breedh/6 template than if I were to try to figure it out or guess at it.  (Bulbapedia templates really need documentation...though that's only half my problem.)
+There are some Kalos pages with breeding tables already, like [[Amaura (Pokémon)#By breeding]], but they shouldn't look like that, saying "Generation V" and just being empty under "Other generations".  And on [[Tyrantrum_(Pokémon)#By_breeding|Tyrantrum]] and [[Tyrunt_(Pokémon)#By_breeding|Tyrunt]]'s breeding tables, someone actually typoed the parameters so that those pages are creating links to [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Tyrantrum_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29/Generation_II_learnset|learnsets it can't have]].  (I know that one's fixable right now, but that won't make it a good/consistent table.)  There should really be a proper Gen 6 breeding table template. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:50, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
+:Sorry for the delay, I made [[Template:Learnlist/breedh/6|the template]]. There's a list of parameters on the talk page of it, but it works in much the same way the headers for the other sections do. The code is reasonably straightforward, especially compared to the existing/generic ones. I've been trying to improve the 'readability' of our templates anyway, not only removing redundant code but also simplifying the code to make it easier to see what is going on. A lot of the older templates are excessively complex. I'm working my way through them, it's generally quicker and easier to build a new one from scratch than fix the existing ones. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 08:10, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
+:Thanks for create the new template of Generation VI breeding, but it seem the [[Template:Learnlist/breedf]] seems need to edit (or just create a breedf design for Gen VI, as i not good at create template......), otherwise it will have some display problem. example---->[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&oldid=2009756] -- [[User:chungkingpun]] 13:10, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
+::This is actually a problem for all of the Gen VI learn tables except level.  It's because, previously, the non-level tables weren't sortable, so they didn't actually have an extra table within them.  (See [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1950603#By_TM.2FHM old and nonsortable] vs [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=2009764#By_TM.2FHM new and sortable].)  Since level has always (or for at least some of Gen V) been sortable, its footer deals with that extra table just fine, but the other footers don't and you have to add an extra |} (before or after the footer) to complete the tables properly.
+::There's a couple ways it could be solved outside of always adding the |}.  One would be to make ''all'' the Gen 5 headers sortable and then make all the footers close that properly.  Another way would be to just create a Gen VI footer template for the non-level tables (and maybe a redirect to the Gen V one for the level footer) that closes the tables properly.  (I'm honestly for making all the Gen V tables sortable, for consistency.)
+::But either way, the question arises: what ''is'' the "proper" way to close the sortable tables?  If you look closely at where the footer meets the main part of the learn tables, you'll see that, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=2009764#By_leveling_up for level], there's actually a tiny space (a line of green) before the footer, while [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=2009764#By_tutoring for tutoring] or any other non-level table, there's no space.  The difference is, the level footer closes  the sortable table before making the footer (and then closing the whole table), whereas the closing |}'s jury-rigged for Gen VI tables have all (at least on Bulbasaur's page) been placed at the very end, rather than before the footer, so that the footer becomes part of the sortable table.  Which is "proper"?  Because they should really be consistent; either the level footer should remove the space or the non-level tables should prefer having the space.  (If you look back again at the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1950603#By_tutoring old, nonsortable] tables, you'll also see that, the way they were done, they always had that little line of green before the footer.)
+::Overall, I think I'm for just creating properly-closing Gen VI footers and for the footers being separate from the sortable tables. Sometime today, I'll mock that up in my userspace and see if you approve, Werdnae.  (Feel free to refer it directly to another staff member if necessary, or tell me who I should take it to.)  If they're good, then we can move them to the mainspace and start using them in articles. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
+:::At the moment, I've done these footers: [[User:Tiddlywinks/levelf/6|leveling up]],  [[User:Tiddlywinks/tmf/6|TM/HM]], [[User:Tiddlywinks/breedf/6|breeding]], and [[User:Tiddlywinks/tutorf/6|tutoring]].  You can see them all in action in [[Bulbapedia:Sandbox#Learnlist Gen VI footers test|the sandbox]] (compare: [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#Learnset]]).  Though level's original footer works fine, for the sake of consistency, it should probably have a Gen VI-specific footer as well; that's why I made it, too.  Plus, it prevents typos like the "|5|1" parameters for the levelf template currently in the Bulbasaur article (and probably many other pages).
+:::Something I noticed: the Gen 5 breeding header doesn't have a link to a Gen I table, which I assume is because you couldn't breed in Gen I.  But your GenVI breeding header does include a Gen I link...
+:::Also, a kind of random question...should the template redirects like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Learnlist/tm6&redirect=no tm6] be in the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Learnlist_templates Learnlist templates] category too?  ...Or possibly in a subcategory for redirects, just to separate them out? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:27, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
+::::Nice work on those templates, I've put them into action. I did want to add something for mega evolutions, so I had to change the way you'd set up the level one. As for categorising the redirects, I believe that if there's anything at all on the page at all besides the redirect, it blocks the redirect. It still displays as a redirect, but it just behaves as a regular link. Which would make categorising template redirects impossible. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 07:42, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
+== Name Change Request ==
+Hey Werdnae, I'd like you to change my username to UltraAsh3000. The reason I request this is because when I created my account, I chose Pikachu in my username because he's the mascot. As of now, however, I really like Ash more.Much appreciated if you do so! [[User:UltraPikachu3000|UltraPikachu3000]] ([[User talk:UltraPikachu3000|talk]]) 23:05, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
+:I'm a bit busy to take care of this while I'm on hiatus, you might be better off asking {{u|Kogoro}}, though be aware that she is currently busy making preparations to reopen the Archives, so she's unlikely to be able to do it before then. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 08:10, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
+== Prettying up Template:Search ==
+[[User:SatoMew2/SearchTemplate|Because why not?]] What do you think of it? [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 10:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
+:An interesting idea, but I actually prefer that template as plain text. As a side note, can I ask that you make sure that the categories in templates in your userspace are commented out please. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 06:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
+::They're commented out now, thanks for reminding me. And well, I'm suggesting the redesign because it'd be consistent with the other notice and/or disambiguation templates. Also, what do you think of the note I put there? It would help making the depicted designs consistent since the Global Link artwork is official, is part of the core series game media, and follows the same style. [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 23:11, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
+== Hi There ==
+Can I get your input on my analysis of the template structure [[Template talk:Moveheader/Level#Level - Set Width Adjustments.3F|here]]?  It's starting to look very inconsistent.  [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
+== Thunder Punch trivia inconsistency ==
+I disagree. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Thunder_Punch_(move)&diff=1871774&oldid=1862718 As you can see], the inconsistency it refers to is SatoMew2's misguided attempts at retranslating our move names a few months ago. It just didn't get removed when the move name was reverted. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
+:Hmm. Alright, feel free to remove it again if you wish. I think it's worth noting the Thunder/Lightning discrepancy somewhere, but it probably needs to be done in a different way. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 00:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
+::You can note it on {{m|Thunder}}'s page, maybe, but Pokemon has a ''pronounced'' [[Electric type#Moves|trend]] of using "Thunder" for Electric moves/attacks - despite the fact that {{wp|thunder}} is not technically electricity - so I don't know that it's actually much ''worth'' noting. If you wanted to note it anywhere, I feel like you should note it everywhere. There are actually ''fewer'' moves with "Elec" in them than there are with "Thunder", in fact. Pokemon has kind of committed to the use of "Thunder" for electric stuff... (So maybe you could put the trivia on the [[Electric (type)]] article. That'd be a way to avoid putting it multiple places.) And Thunder and lightning go hand in hand, so I just don't think the fact that thunder isn't ''technically'' electricity is much worth noting, certainly not multiple times. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)