Archived talk

Pokémon Legends: Arceus Version

Why was this deleted? It was made for people who mistakenly use the wrong link template and complain about the resulting redlink.

I did create the Super Glitch (move) (intentionally typing the full title) redirect again because deleting it caused so many redlinks to suddenly pop up, based on how the learnset template works. Creating Pokémon Scarlet and Violet Versions was a measure to prevent redlinks from the wrong link template. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 08:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Next time, please ask first.
We don't encourage people linking to bad targets. If a target is linked to, I'll consider it staying, but the "version" title is not linked to.
I do notice that many games have various redirects. I checked one,, and it does have links. I'm sure others don't. Honestly, I think some could definitely be pruned, but it's not worth it for me to try to exhaustively examine all the past games. For now, like I said, a "version" title for Arceus isn't linked to and isn't needed. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:54, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Scarlet and Violet got the "version" redirect out of practice. As prior to XY, all titles had the version in their names. For LA, it has never been referred to with the "version" in the end. If someone incorrectly uses the version templates (and any of its variations) for Legends, that's kinda their own fault.--ForceFire 11:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Game-exclusive Pokémon/Archive1

I thought I'd let staff know, if they didn't already, that the archived talk page for Game-exclusive Pokémon still needs to be moved to Version-exclusive Pokémon. Thanks! Landfish7 05:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

In regards to Playerking95's talk page archive, thanks for cleaning up my mess. When trying to help them archive their page, I should have just let the policy page that I linked speak for itself instead of giving an erroneous shortened explanation. I'll be more careful moving forward. Landfish7 03:57, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


LiamMain50695983 appears to be a spambot. Landfish7 02:47, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Generation superscript

Since you added "changed type" section to type pages, I'd like to ask you if there could be a template with generation number in superscript (Rotom(V+)). Such templates already exist for games (Template:Sup/8 ) and I think it could be useful on many pages, like the ones that mention Pokemon with changed type.--Rocket Grunt 16:24, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

The thing about the game templates is they do a lot more. The names are much longer, and as you get earlier you have to remember to add "version/s" correctly, and each game of a pair is colored separately. But for generations you don't really need any of that. (I also think my recent additions are a bad example to use: if we were gonna have a single standard, that's not the format I'd suggest first. Most places, I'd usually use Gen. #. I only used (#) here because I wanted absolute minimal intrusion among the species names.) Part of the utility of templates is also readability. Sup templates for games definitely help that; but for generations, I don't think replacing any current usage would be incredibly beneficial.
But yeah...generations are super easy to link. If you really need something, there's {{gen}}, for some cases that could be plenty. If you wanna reach for more...well, just telling me abstractly that there are "many pages" doesn't plead much of a case. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:47, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
The most prominent use for such template I see would be on pages of abilities. With the example of Drizzle, Pelipper could've just had "DrizzleGen. 7+ instead of writing it outside the table. Second, more important example, is of ability Scrappy for Kangaskhan. It could've just say that it got the ability in generation IV when it was introduced, but instead at the bottom there are five almost identical sentences that readers need to "ignore abilities introduced later" and there will be more each new generation. These pages literally require any reader to check each ability and each Pokemon manually to find out if such combination existed in particular generation.--Rocket Grunt 22:18, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
I feel like sups are mainly a patch for those. I don't think the current format of the Ability pages like Drizzle and Scrappy is great, but I'm not sure immediately what to do, I'd have to give things a good look over again. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Ghost (literal) move proposal

I remember a while back on the Bulbagarden Discord you had expressed some ambivalence towards the recent expansion of the scope of the Ghost (literal) article from being about the ghosts of Pokémon Tower to being about ghosts throughout the Pokémon world. I was curious to hear more about your thoughts on that and how it might pertain to a potential move from Ghost (literal) to Ghosts in the Pokémon world. Perhaps the article could be split into Ghost (Pokémon Tower) and Ghosts in the Pokémon world or something of the sort? I'd love to hear what you think. Thanks! Landfish7 07:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I think for me (at the moment), the Kanto "ghost" is a little weird compared to everything else; the Kanto thing is a specific mechanic, while everything else is kinda abstract. I think it's a little weird on the page "Ghost (literal)", but it maybe sorta feels weirder for a page called "Ghosts in the Pokemon world" (maybe). I personally think a Ghost (Pokemon Tower) page could work fine. But I don't know about anyone else.
The alternative is that that section could just be winnowed down, instead of just letting all its content coast. All gameplay stuff could be shifted to Pokemon Tower, and the section on the ghost (whatever) page could be a little more generic like the rest of its topics. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Template:Event distros

2 minor things I wanted to say, since that template is locked:

1) The List of undistributed event Pokémon page is linked on the template in 2 places now; I'd remove it from the "Special Pokémon from games" section... None of these are from the games anyway considering they were all found on distribution hardware or the Wonder Card server, so it doesnt really fit in anyway.

2) Regarding the List of traded event Pokémon distributions (Generation VIII) page, reason I suggested to merge it on the Poketimes page name was because all the pokémon come from that twitter channel, and the Pokémon distributed from there are kinda unique in that there not from any template... previous traded pokémon such as the ones in List of traded event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI) and before in the very early generations when that was the norm of distribution were loaded from templates on to game carts and traded away to recipients. These are just normally bred/caught pokemon given ingame items with a lot of variance to reach certain characteristics before being traded away... thats kinda why I had a very hard time calling that page an "event page"... Idk what the best solution is but, I made some changes to the heading hope you don't mind. -- 4iamking (talk) 23:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Everything from Gen III is from the games.
Oh. I just thought all trades were like that. (Except early gen ones where that's exactly what "events" were. But at least since more formal "events" were made.) But taking a minute to think about it, I guess it makes sense. In that case, the contrast should be highlighted.
Also, even if Poke Times was involved, they plainly aren't all by Poke Times. There's a whole "V Jump" section. (Even if it were, it's not, like, an inherent thing, it shouldn't really be in the intro.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Updating Menu Sprites

Greetings! I don't know if this has been discussed or not, but we got confirmation [1] that more Pokémon will receive menu sprites in the style of BDSP and SV in the future (unclear if it's all of them or just possibly returning ones from the DLC). You are already in the middle of adding all the zeros, so I think it's best to ask you. Shouldn't the eventually renamed redirects point to the BDSP/SV menu sprites when applicable? Around 60% of the Pokémon now have them, and the moves pages would look a lot better (until we get the Sugimori artworks implemented there). Consistency is is already gone, but we might eventually get it back with this style.

Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 23:38, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't really see what you're talking about. Can you explain more concretely? Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Sure thing. Here's an example: the "File:004MS.png" redirect currently links to "File:004MS8.png", the menu sprite from SwSh. I'm suggesting that once we get around renaming the redirect to "File:0004MS.png" it should link to "File:Menu SV 0004.png". And so on. If a Pokémon is not in SV, it should link to the BDSP menu sprite. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs)
Minor edit. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
That wasn't on my radar. And I'm not sure it should be much of a priority. I think we're generally using sprites appropriate to their game context, or else art, so I don't think there is (or should be) much use for some uniform "MS" filenames pointing at random games' sprites. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I just assumed we would continue updating the redirects, but it makes sense, and I agree. The move pages are the only ones that still use them anyways, and they will hopefully get replaced with the Sugimori artworks later this year (if the mods approve my suggestions). Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't realize. Well, there's so much to clean up still, I'm still inclined to leave it to sort out later. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
No problem. If you need help with adding in the extra digits, let me know. I don't know which pages you are prioritizing. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:37, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm kinda working from the Archives for the moment and trying to clean up bad filenames. And/or I'm also looking at fixing up MSP/9 calls at the moment. But one real big thing, there's ALL the infoboxes and prev/next on the species pages to update. This sort of thing. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
On it. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

National dex number formatting

Greetings! I started adding the extra digits to the various Pokémon lists and decided to follow the format of the ndex template. Very satisfying to look at, I must say. Since most of the templates are locked, I am requesting to change the following templates (and possibly more), so that the numbering displays all four digits and has the same font as the natdex.

Thanks in advance! Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 04:32, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I won't be trying to do those tonight. But if you can specify exactly what changes they each/all need, it'll make things much quicker later. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Sure. Just add this to the first column: style="font-family:monospace,monospace". But I don't exactly know how you make all 4 digits show up. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 05:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

New HOME menu sprites

Greetings! The new HOME update now has the BDSP/SV style artwork for almost every single Pokémon (no G-Max forms, Spiky Pichu, Cosplay Pichu, LGPE mascots, etc.). I have obtained all of them (they are already freely available on the internet) and have them ready for upload. The admins just need to figure out what file name and file description pattern I should follow. These are perfect for the MS redirects, since the Pokémon are resized to fit within 128x128px much better (no empty space), akin to the previous style. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 17:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)