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::::::::Let me give you an example of a coincidence: Pangoro's resemblance to Jotaro Kujo is coincidence because both are based on the "Bancho" stereotype. If, however, Pangoro's hair resembled a tattered hat and he summoned a big blue guy to punch things with, it would cease being coincidence. Shiny Espeon is not only a big-eared green critter like Carbuncle, it also has a red forehead jewel and summons a reflective barrier like Carbuncle. That is too many specific similarities to be coincidence. I have yet to see you offer proof that it is coincidence. [[User:Kohdok|Kohdok]] ([[User talk:Kohdok|talk]]) 16:21, 29 March 2016 (UTC) | ::::::::Let me give you an example of a coincidence: Pangoro's resemblance to Jotaro Kujo is coincidence because both are based on the "Bancho" stereotype. If, however, Pangoro's hair resembled a tattered hat and he summoned a big blue guy to punch things with, it would cease being coincidence. Shiny Espeon is not only a big-eared green critter like Carbuncle, it also has a red forehead jewel and summons a reflective barrier like Carbuncle. That is too many specific similarities to be coincidence. I have yet to see you offer proof that it is coincidence. [[User:Kohdok|Kohdok]] ([[User talk:Kohdok|talk]]) 16:21, 29 March 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::ForceFire doesn't need to offer proof of a coincidence, you need to offer proof that the designers definitively took inspiration from that FF character. Since your whole premise rests on the Shiny version, I'm inclined to agree with ForceFire that it is entirely coincidence with the way their color-changing scheme works for creating the Shiny variants. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 16:33, 29 March 2016 (UTC) | :::::::::ForceFire doesn't need to offer proof of a coincidence, you need to offer proof that the designers definitively took inspiration from that FF character. Since your whole premise rests on the Shiny version, I'm inclined to agree with ForceFire that it is entirely coincidence with the way their color-changing scheme works for creating the Shiny variants. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 16:33, 29 March 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::: Espeon's shiny color was intentional and constructed by the developers(Similar to Charizard's), as the standard method would have turned it ''blue'', like every other purple pokemon out there(Gligar, Gastly, Swalot, etc.). As if the designers taking the time to give it a unoqie Shiny color isn't proof enough, It also is not just a general resemblance; it copies specific features and abilities in a combination exclusively attributed to Carbuncle. And please don't insult my intelligence by saying he doesn't need to offer proof; In my previous Pangoro example, I can heap on oodles of proof that its resemblance to Jotaro Kujo is a coincidence by digging up actual pictures of Japanese thugs and other "Bancho" characters from other works of fiction. I haven't found a single other green critter with a red forehead jewel that has reflective powers that isn't named "Carbuncle" in fiction, unless it's called "Espeon". [[User:Kohdok|Kohdok]] ([[User talk:Kohdok|talk]]) 16:52, 29 March 2016 (UTC) | |||