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Could you please stop Blancbpg from reverting edits that have no business being reverted, like mentioning Olympia's flashback of old appearances, when they don't need to be there, since the episode that the flashbacks are from have already been referenced. And I don't think characters being mentioned by people count as appearances and aren't all that worthy of being referenced as well. He/she never seems to be listening to what people have been saying to him/her. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 05:34, 26 July 2016 (UTC) | Could you please stop Blancbpg from reverting edits that have no business being reverted, like mentioning Olympia's flashback of old appearances, when they don't need to be there, since the episode that the flashbacks are from have already been referenced. And I don't think characters being mentioned by people count as appearances and aren't all that worthy of being referenced as well. He/she never seems to be listening to what people have been saying to him/her. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 05:34, 26 July 2016 (UTC) | ||
:We do include mentions and flashbacks, look at other anime pages. It's the episode pages where mentions aren't counted as appearance.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 06:23, 26 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Except that we don't and that's just utterly stupid to do so. Why mention a characters appearance when it's already been mentioned in the same page. It's not a new appearance, just because some white border is surrounding the scene and mentions shouldn't count either, because if so, then why not just add mentions of specific Pokemon to their respective pages? It makes sense to add them to the episode page, because they did, in some way, appear there, but their article's shouldn't list the same appearance multiple times. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 13:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::[[Roxie#In the anime|Yes]], [[Lenora#In the anime|we]] [[Koga#In the anime|do]] [[Crasher Wake#In the anime|include]] [[Brawly#In the anime|flashbacks]] [[Jasmine#In the anime|and]] [[Misty (anime)#Best Wishes series|mentions]] [[Tracey Sketchit#History|in]] [[Gary Oak#In the Best Wishes series|the]] [[Brock (anime)#History|anime]] [[May (anime)#Best Wishes series|articles]] [[Max#History|or]] [[Dawn (anime)#In the Best Wishes series|sections]].You're under the impression that the sentence is repeating what is already said, it isn't. It's just saying that the character reappeared in a flashback/mentioned in an episode. The actual flashback footage is irrelevant to the sentence.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 13:50, 26 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::That list just seems obnoxious and over the top, but that list aside, it doesn't mean that those other articles should have those "appearances" mentioned as well. Just because it's not mentioning what has already been said, that doesn't mean that the sentences aren't referring to what has already mentioned previously in the article. It seems like a space filler and completely irrelevant to the character, since I was under the impression that the anime section should talk about what the characters did in what episode and about their personality and characteristics and not a section dedicated to every single appearance the character has made, even if one entry is just harkening back to an exact same previous one. | |||
Do you know how many characters get mentioned without actually appearing in the episodes themselves, like Officer Jenny, Nurse Joy, Team Rocket, etc. To list all of those would just be chaotic, especially if we also do this for Pokemon as well in the anime sections of their main articles, because again, why should this only be done for human characters? I won't delete them from the articles, but this format should really be discussed because it doesn't seem right. And also, regardless of why they should or why they shouldn't be there, that still doesn't excuse blancbpg from doing things without a reason and not listening to what users and admins have been telling him/her for the last couple of months. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 14:06, 26 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:That list was to prove a point rather than us go a back and forth with the yes's and no's. The sentence isn't detailing what happens in the flashback, it's just saying that the character appeared in the flashback. Nothing more, nothing less. The context of the flashback is irrelevant. Also, a ajority of those articles I linked were of major characters and the flashbacks were from important episodes, so that should at least get mentioned. | |||
:Jenny, Joy, and the Rockets are recurring characters, so they should be expected to get mentioned at least once per episode. Minor CoTD's shouldn't get any flashback or mentions included as they're not important. That much I agree on. As for why Pokemon don't get mentions, I don't know, that's something to bring up to Pokemaster97. As for blancbpg, I've given them a message.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 12:41, 27 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Golduck == | |||
(Thanks for just complaining at me in your edit summary instead of actually explaining.) What's the justification for keeping that trivium on Golduck? "One of the few" is literally the least notable way of framing it at all, so I hope you can understand the fact that I don't consider that phrasing to be worth keeping. Are you saying that [[List of Pokémon that appear in every regional Pokédex|Pokémon that appear in every regional Pokédex]] deserve to have that fact in their trivia sections? Because if so, sure, but we need to phrase it in the same way on every page and include a link to that list. We can't just say "one of the few" and leave the reader without any links to help them easily find out what the others are. | |||
The consistent phrasing seems to be, for example: ''Zubat, along with {{p|Golbat}}, has [[List of Pokémon that appear in every regional Pokédex|appeared in every regional Pokédex]]. This is due to the Unova Pokédex's expansion in Black 2 and White 2.'' I'm not in love with mentioning evolutionary relatives (they can already be seen on the linked page) or the Unova Pokédex (overspecific and unnecessary, and will get really clunky if a similar situation comes up in future games), but regardless of any quibbling that may happen with those phrasings, I am more than happy to go through and make sure all of the appropriate Pokémon articles include that phrasing or similar, if you think that's what the intention of the Golduck point was. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:47, 29 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:That was the exact intention of that trivia, both are basically saying the same thing, even if both are worded differently. The Unova dex expansion has to bet mentioned since it's a thing that happened and the reason why it has appeared in every dex. If you feel one is worded more notable than the other, than update the one with the less than notable wording with the good one, don't just outright remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 05:33, 29 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Castform == | |||
This was not a large scale edit; this was merely finishing off what Tiddlywinks, a staff member, had left unfinished. Your aggressive edits toward me in the past two weeks are highly unappreciated. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:06, 31 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:While I am not interested in questioning the staff's definition of a "large scale" edit, you might want to know that Tiddlywinks' recent edit removed the STAB designation from the hourly rotation, so please either follow through with reverting ''that'' particular edit, or modify the notice template on top of [[Talk:Castform (Pokémon)]]. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:10, 31 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Regardless of if you were "finishing off" what Tiddlywinks started (Judging by his edit summary, Tiddlywinks only intended to remove what he removed, not everything), it is still a large scale edit that needs approval from staff.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 17:12, 31 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Type and Ability protection == | |||
you might want to protect the types and ability pages [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 14:10, 1 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:I don't think there were any changes to existing types and abilities. Users are allowed to add the new Pokemon into the list.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 14:12, 1 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
== XY130 == | |||
Could that be unlocked sometime soon? You could always block the people who are messing with the page for a couple of days or a week until they learn the lesson, but I don't think it's fair for it to be blocked for all of the other people who can edit it properly. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 15:10, 3 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
== I'd like to request an additional "Switch leaders" for Allowances in the [[Template:Dungeon infobox]] == | |||
In the Red/Blue Rescue team games, some dungeons like Wish Cave and Buried Relic allow the players to switch leaders mid-dungeon, while others like Murky Cave and Uproar Forest don't. I was about to add that for the dungeons which do myself, but this page is protected so I can't add to the template. | |||
I should mention that this would only be for the Rescue Team games, as the Explorers game don't allow switching leaders at all, while the 3DS games always do as long as you're not playing the story. So anyway, is there anything we can do about this? Thanks. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:25, 3 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
== "Don't Be Ridiculous" == | |||
What do you mean by this?[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:55, 5 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Pikachu's gender was confirmed via attract. And the fact that the anime pointed out the gender difference between a male and female Pikachu invalidates thye anime=/=game rule.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 09:28, 5 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::This doesn't argue against my point. Attract may not work that way in the anime for all we know it could just be that it works on a Pokémon who is attracted to the user so Pikachu could be a lesbian female or a bisexual. This site always states something like falling in love doesn't confirm gender so for instance Charizard is stated to be "unknown" even though it fell in love with a female Cahrizard yet it is allowed in this instance. Why is all of this trivia relevant on that page but not on his other Pokémon's pages, please give me objective criteria that allows it in this instance.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 18:07, 5 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Attract '''does''' work the same way as it does in the games. Snivy used attract on Ash's Pidove and it failed because both were female. There. There's your confirmation the the move works the same way as the game. {{m|Attract}} and attraction are two separate things. People base attraction off behavioral patterns, and apparently, only guys are allowed to be attracted to girls and vice versa. Pikachu is '''far more important''' than Leavanny, that's why it gets mentioned on Pikachu's page and not Leavanny's.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 03:10, 6 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::Could it not just be that Pidove is just a heterosexual female so attract wouldn't work on it. If attract only works in the same way as the games that would mean that there wouldn't be any bisexual or homosexual Pokémon because as Blisseyandtheaquajets said that would be incredibly homophobic for a possibly homosexual male to fall in love with a female via attract for example. So I guess Charizard is male. I did ask for objective criteria not just that it's more important which is incredibly arbitrary. I guess then if Pikachu is more important it could get many pieces of trivia that you probably won't think is "notable" yet this apparently is. Come to think of it how is any piece of trivia on this site "notable" there is no objective way of determining it I guess it just if you admins agree with it or not. What's the point of discussing anything with you you always say "don't edit war discuss it" but this does nothing and you keep reverting people many times without discussing it. SilverZoroark raised a similar point on their talk page and said that they aren't using this site anymore because you admins treat people like scum. When on this site have you ever admitted to being wrong? Please answer this question[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::What... are you on about? The game description for Attract states, very clearly, that it only works on the opposite genders. And the anime followed suit. Stop picking at holes that aren't there. Like I already said, the move and the act of attraction are two separate things. | |||
:::::Charizard's gender stays at unknown until its gender is stated. That's final. There's a [[User:Force Fire/Trivia Policy|trivia policy]] that has been in the works for a while. And really, you're only nitpicking at this because you're upset that your Leavanny trivia was removed despite there being valid reasons for its removal.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 11:37, 6 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Re: Seasons == | |||
Sorry about the edits, I thought the season ended at EP 274 since I remember Kids' WB advertising Pokemon Advanced as a new season on November 1st. [[User:Fiberoptic26|Fiberoptic26]] ([[User talk:Fiberoptic26|talk]]) 23:34, 9 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
==Cast lists== | |||
Hi Force Fire, started receiving cast lists from Lisa Ortiz, sent you XY110 and XY111 for your approval, had trouble seeing your replies before, would you mind giving me approval or refusal here, will email you more once you respond--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 07:40, 16 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:XY111 and XY112 sorry--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 07:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Those are fine. I haven't been checking my e-mail lately, due to being busy to even check it.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 08:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Cast for XY113 to XY119 have been sent, a few errors I noticed but we know the facts {{unsigned|BigDocFan}} | |||
::::Cool, those can be added.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 08:58, 16 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
== [[XY131]] == | |||
Saying "Alain defeats Ash... and wins... becoming the winner" is redundant, and just poor wording, as the first part of the sentence already establishes the fact that Alain won the final round of the Lumiose Conference. The format of the 'result' statement similarly follows previous episode pages ([[EP272]], [[DP189]], and [[BW108]]), in which it states that the winner became a [[Pokémon Champion]]. Also per the "Pokémon Champion" page, it states that "It usually refers to a Trainer who has completed a Pokémon League by collecting all the necessary Badges, and either winning the regional Pokémon tournament or defeating the Elite Four and the previous Champion..." | |||
Alain won the regional Pokémon League, and the use of the word "or" implies that Alain only has to accomplish one of the two requirements, and not both. Also in the list under the subheading "In the anime," it lists the previous league winners as a Pokémon Champion. {{unsigned|Lord980}} | |||
:Edit: I personally don't care about the Pokémon Champion part, just the redundancy of the first edit. [[User:Lord980|Lord980]] ([[User talk:Lord980|talk]]) 15:23, 19 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Firstly, don't remove or re-sign an unsigned comment. Secondly, if you don't care about the Champion bit, why'd you add that he became the champion. And games=/=anime, as evident by the anime themselves saying that they need to beat the regianol conference first before being able to battle the champion.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 15:36, 19 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
== XY132 == | |||
Do you think XY132's page can be unlocked soon? It doesn't pose a high traffic area of editing as say XY131 before it aired and the episodes that follow it are unlocked? [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 06:45, 21 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:I'll let the protection run out since the episode is coming up, pretty sure people can wait for four more days.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 06:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Yeah, I'm sure we could wait until it's unlocked, but I don't see the harm in just unlocking now instead of waiting it out and at least if it's unlocked, the information on the article will be more up to date if people are allowed to edit it. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 08:23, 21 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::I see no harm as well, but the air date is close, so I'm choosing to let the protection expire. If it were to air a week later, then yeah, I'd unprotect it.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 08:27, 21 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Ability to move episode articles == | |||
Hello, should an average user be able to move anime episode articles? I'm wondering since [[XY060]] and down I cannot move, and [[XY061]] and up I can shouldn't they be protected from renaming? --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 13:13, 21 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:No. Regular users should not be moving episode articles at all.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 13:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Yeah didn't think so. Also apart from the two pages you just protected [[XY063]] through [[XY069]] are unprotected. Could you protect them? --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 14:32, 21 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Brazilian VA == | |||
http://dublanet.com.br/forum1/showthread.php?5772-Pok%E9mon-(Pocket-Monsters) <-Some VAs come from here (like Diantha's). Some others I'm going by ear but only in cases where I can be completely sure (like in Olympia's case, I don't think there's another VA with a voice similar enough to Denise Reis'). If I'm not sure I'll add it only in the character's talk at best. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 15:31, 27 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:No... just no. I've already explain why you can't play by ear, and since you intend to continue to play by ear, I'm going to have to ask you to stop adding voice actor information. As for the forums, I don't speak Brazilian, so I don't know what's being said. But if the users on that thread are going by ear as well, then that is not an acceptable source. If you want to get info on who voiced who, ask the voice actors directly via social media. If you are unable to do so, then I am once again going to have to ask you to stop adding voice actor information.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 15:43, 27 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Why does the file type matter? == | |||
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Final_Smash&curid=26499&diff=2495639&oldid=2495612] And I have no idea how to convert it either. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 03:22, 29 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Archives:FAQ#Someone_mentioned_that_I_shouldn.27t_be_using_jpgs.2C_why.3F See here]. Converting the image is simple. Open the image in a image editing tool (like paint) and save the image as a .png.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 03:47, 29 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Request == | |||
Could you please have a word to user GrammarFreak01, because that user is constantly changing sentences on multiple articles and he says that he's doing because he can't follow what was previously written their, even though what was already written there was perfectly fine. I can understand it if the user was correcting mistakes, like grammatical ones, but these are unnecessary. For instance, the user keeps changing He will appear again in [[XY134]] on Steven Stone's page to He will reappear in [[XY134]]. Who cares? It's basically the same thing and it's not like it's going to stay like that forever? [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 06:11, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Who cares if it's supposed to be "reappear" or "appear again"? Like you said, it's basically the same thing and it's not like it's going to stay like that forever. Why freak out over it in the first place? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:12, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Okay 1, I was NOT talking to you, this isn't your conversation and 2, do you not notice your own hypocrisy? If it doesn't matter, than why change it in the first place? Answer: No good reason. Now please leave this conversation to be between me and Force Fire. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 06:24, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Well, I have a right to defend myself, do I? So yes, this should be my conversation too. Anyway, why use "appear again" when "reappear" is much shorter and simpler to use? It's already being used in many other articles. Why make the effort? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:26, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::Not now. This is just me asking Force Fire if this is a matter worth addressing, if be feels whether it is necessary or not. If he wants to talk to you, then you can defend yourself, but right now I'm just asking him whether or not this is a matter worth discussing or not and as I've already said, this is me talking to hum, so there's really no need for any other input. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 06:43, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::Well, I can tell this is going to be addressed by him, so I'd rather start while I'm ahead. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::There's not need and as I said, this isn't between you and me right here. so at the ver least, leave this conversation be between me and him, I mean, he hasn't even had a change to respond yet. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 06:59, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I'd like to chime in here since I was also involved in a similar dispute with you, Playerking95, in the past about a very similar situation. You have had this brought up to you twice in the past Playerking, at the [[User_talk:Playerking95#Finals_vs._Final_Round|end of July]] and again [[User_talk:Playerking95#About_unnecessary_edits|about a week later]]. You have constantly resorted to personally attacking those who have edited things you posted for various reasons, just because you personally feel that your way is correct and everyone else should leave your edits alone, even when some (like myself) have proven a valid reason and evidence to support the revisions. If, as you claim, these edits are resulting in "basically the same thing" being said, then why don't you take the high road and leave the edits alone instead of starting edit wars and then personally attacking individuals by calling them "petty" and "trolls"? [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:22, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Again, you are not apart of the conversation, so no, do not chime in here, you did not provide valid reasons, and since it's basically the same thing, then why change it in the first place? That's a question no one has come up with a good answer for yet, because there is none and please don't act like you haven't been in these edit wars, so please stop with the hypocrisy. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 13:40, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::Just to pose the question then if it is basically the same thing and not worth changing why do you take the time to change it back? It's not like GrammerFreak01 is hurting anything.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:49, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::I had a similar conflict with you and can provide another point of view. Therefore, I am a part of this conversation. I did provide evidence, you just dismissed it without any proof of your own opinions. I was involved in one edit war, and have changed how I proceed with reversions to avoid causing or contributing to them. May I also point out [[User_talk:Pokemaster97#Request|this response]] you received from an editorial board member when you made a very similar request almost a month ago on this same topic? You were specifically told that nothing happened against policy and that your constant reversions out of "revenge" were not the way to go about settling the disputes. You are just looking for anyone on staff to take your side to feel vindicated, and so far I have seen two staff members (one being an editorial board member) tell you that you are in the wrong in your views, yet you refuse to listen to them. I've said all I needed to now, apologies for the email spam ForceFire, I just had to join in, as I said, to provide my point of view from a nearly identical situation a month ago. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:51, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::At Pikablu, because it's the principal of the matter and as I have said time and time again, if there's no difference than WHY change things that are fine to similar things that are also fine it in the first place? I'm waiting for a good reason and I know there isn't one. | |||
:::::::::::At Che, I don't care if the previous conversation was the same word for word with a couple of little differences, this is still a different situation, and this has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with you. This is just a question I'm asking Force Fire, not you, not GrammarFreak, not Pikablu, not anyone else. So don't go acting like you HAD to answer here and that you were right, because, I've said that I don't believe that you are and I'm allowed to have that opinion. You did not provide any definitive evidence and just because you don't edit war anymore, like me, it doesn't change the fact that you still did it, so you can never tell me off for doing something that you've also done. And I know what others have said, and I've said before that even though it's not against policy, it's something that should not happening and this has nothing to do with revenge, so along with being hypocritical, please also stop exaggerating. I am not looking for vindication, I'm just asking for a staff members opinion on whether or not in it's a matter that should be looked at or not, that's all, so don't make things into things that they aren't and as I've said, while they may think that I wrong, it doesn't mean that they are right. I don't believe that unnecessary edits should be made and the fact that they think they should doesn't mean that they are wrong, because we both have our own opinions. I'm not saying that I'm going to go against what they're saying to do, I'm just arguing against unnecessary edits[[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 14:09, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
First of all. {{bp|Code of Conduct}}. Don't assume bad faith and accuse other user's actions as "petty" or "trolling", neither of which was what GrammarFreak01 was doing. It was clearly not trolling nor an act of petty. The only petty one here is you, Playerking. Reverting such trivial and minor edits because '''''you''''' doing like it? Grow up, princess. You're not special, nor will you be given special treatment, and it is not fine to rudely accuse others of trolling. You don't make the rules here. Secondly, users are free to interject and give their opinions, as long as they keep it civil. Again, you don't make the rules here, if you don't want to read what others have to say, you have the choice of ignoring it completely. Simple. Thirdly, GrammarFreak01's edits were totally fine and were not unnecessary, in fact, they were better than what they were before. The continuous reversion was however, and your refusal to take it to the user that reverted you rather than reverting them back is a common problem for you ''for years''. So I suggest you start picking up the habit of going to the talk page first before even thinking about clicking on that undo button.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 14:41, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Okay, first, don't call me princess, again, ever. And I NEVER said that I'm special, because I'm not talking about only my edits, which I have mentioned multiple times before, so if you read that, you would know that. And no the edit was not better it was the same and I'm not being petty, I'm sticking to my principals, because edits should not be changed when they are the exact same thing and it is rude to to interject into other conversations, when the conversation wasn't aimed at anyone else. I'll ignore it, because quite frankly, they shouldn't be there, so the way I set it, they're not there in my eyes. And that's what you want me to do, so I'm doing it and I promise, I won't complain about all of these edits again. And when it comes to assuming things, people do it here all the time and since both edits were basically the same, I was just expressing my opinion that to change something that was fine in the first place, minus some a few mistakes, has to have a reason behind it and I don't want to call it petty, but that's the only reason that it seems to be. I bet that If I were to change blocks of text by rewording it and correcting some mistakes, I would be told off, because quite honestly, it seems like I'm being targeted. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 15:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Well, if you're going to act like a brat, I'm going to have to be harsher. I'm no grammar king, but I can clearly see that the sentence is much better now, as it doesn't look so run on and non stop, like there's no pauses in between the sentences. You are clearly refusing to accept that you might and ''are'' wrong in this situation.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 16:16, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Ouch? I don't even know what sentence you are referring to, but regardless, I'm not refusing to accept anything, because the fact that I am wrong in this situation isn't actually a fact at all, but just an opinion, and sicne we clearly disagree, lets just leave at that. And can you really call me bratty after you called me "princess"? Hypocrisy. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 16:22, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::Wow. Do you even hear yourself? I was going to stay out of it after my first comment but PlayerKing you are being the biggest hypocrite. I mean even your first message had hypocritical language. Please just try to accept not everything works out.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 16:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::Oh I do and I know that any hypocrisy that I used was because I was sticking to my principals because I didn't start this editing war. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 16:32, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::I'm referring to the Takeru and Mairin sentences... what other sentences would I be referring to? Read the previous version and the version it is now. Tell me what the difference is when you read it out loud. --[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 16:44, 1 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Sorry that I just came in the conversation, but Playerking, it doesn't really matter who began the editing war. It matters the most who stopped in time and who accepted the other was right, ''or'' used good arguments, which ''really'' matter. It's just like a real-live fight. It doesn't matter who began. [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 12:02, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
== "This is different" == | |||
Why is it?[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 13:04, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Because they are dub only and not actually fully confirmed, which makes it notable. You really need to '''read''' the trivia carefully, because they are very clearly separate from what you're thinking of. Nowhere in those trivia did it say it was '''officially confirmed'''.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 13:10, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Well why not then, it's like having unsourced facts on a page and just expecting people to take the page's word for it.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 13:11, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::In addition I don't like the way you use the word "notable" you are saying it as if it's fact when there is no objective way to determine notability.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 13:12, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::What are you on about? The dub clearly gave them gender pronouns in their respective episodes, but it doesn't make them official since the original Japanese version doesn't say such things. That's what makes it notable, when the dub takes liberties in adding gender pronouns. Don't be difficult for the sake of being difficult.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 13:16, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::You haven't addressed the issue of the fact that it's unsourced facts. How does the dub adding pronouns make it "notable" please provided objective criteria and not your biased opinion.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 13:19, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::How is it unsourced facts? Watch the god damn '''episodes'''. Did you read that clearly? '''EPISODES'''. Is it really that hard to comprehend?--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 13:22, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
(resetting indent)It's clearly unsourced facts as it's not on the page, WATCH THE EPISODES well which one? Simple say it on the page don't just expect people to take the word of it. Saying you can find it by watching the episdoes is not good enough as that's like Wikipedia having unsourced facts and saying read the author's original work, well which author and which piece of work?[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 13:26, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:... I... just... really? Which episodes? The god damn trivia lists the episodes. Are you even '''reading''' the god damn trivia? Or are you just removing them because you're still salty about your Leavanny trivia being removed? Because that is clearly why you removed them, or else you would;ve actually '''read''' and '''seen''' the difference.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 13:32, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::How dense can you be Ratchet? Every single trivia point refers to AT LEAST one episode that the Pokemon was referred to using gender-specific pronouns (which ForceFire mentioned before I posted), AND they say if it was a dub or Japanese episode. Do you just enjoy coming on every couple of months and making a mess for the sake of arguing? [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 13:34, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::: Watch all the episodes that would take hours and imagine all the filler. Ok Leavanny for example watch all the episodes from when it first appeared that would take a long time when it could take a few seconds if it is stated on this site. If it isn't on the page then it isn't sourced.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 13:41, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::You clearly did not read what I just said. You are clearly being difficult. You are clearly being stubborn. You are clearly salty about the Leavanny reversion. You are clearly refusing to actually read what is being said. '''The trivia lists the episodes.''' Why would you need to watch countless episodes if the trivia already '''gives''' you the god. damn. episode.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 13:45, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::What about Brock's Sudowoodo it states it's male but doesn't say how + when so it is essentially an unsourced fact. From what you are saying I and anyone else who wants to find out should watch every episode in which it appears. That could take days so it should have a note saying when it was confirmed. You are being equally stubborn and at least on Ash's Leavanny that note would then allow visitors to know exactly which episode to watch.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 13:52, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::You're not reading what I'm saying. Where did I say that you have to watch all the episodes? I said: <big>'''THE TRIVIA LISTS THE EPISODES.'''</big> Why would you blindly watch several episodes when the '''TRIVIA ALREADY GIVES YOU THE EPISODE YOU NEED'''. Are you actually '''READING''' the trivia? Because right now, you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult. Also, '''read the history section of Brock's Sudowoodo. It's right there. Near the end where it talks about it's battle with Nurse Joy's Chansey in [[SS025]], of which the SS025 trivia states was the episode Sudowoodo's gender was revealed'''. Keyword here being <big>'''READ'''.</big>--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 14:02, 2 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
==Re:Lysandre's Gyarados== | |||
Ok I understand.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]03:24, 3 September 2016 (UTC) | |||