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Jiliang has already returned to adding dubious trivia to pages, along with [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG128&diff=3518678&oldid=3508003 trivia that had already been removed multiple times]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC) | Jiliang has already returned to adding dubious trivia to pages, along with [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG128&diff=3518678&oldid=3508003 trivia that had already been removed multiple times]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC) | ||
:I've given them a semi block, and a stern message, effectively forcing them to respond on their talk page or risk a full block.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 16:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC) | :I've given them a semi block, and a stern message, effectively forcing them to respond on their talk page or risk a full block.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 16:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC) | ||
::[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG128&diff=3538443&oldid=3518766 They've once again re-added the removed trivia back to AG128], along with once again adding more non-noteworthy trivia to other pages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:40, 28 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::There's only so many chances I can give them, so I've given them a lengthy block. If they return and continue, then they'll be gone for good.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 06:02, 28 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Rivals? == | == Rivals? == | ||
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:::::::"''His whole comment wouldn't make sense if it's not the first time they changed the age of the protagonits.''" | :::::::"''His whole comment wouldn't make sense if it's not the first time they changed the age of the protagonits.''" | ||
:::::::Again, it's really more of a generalization. Maybe Brendan/May were 12, but the other protagonists were 10/11, in which case the quote would still make sense; 12 would not make them significantly older than the other protagonists. Hilbert/Hilda being 14/15 is far more noticeable, hence why he noted it in the first place. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC) | :::::::Again, it's really more of a generalization. Maybe Brendan/May were 12, but the other protagonists were 10/11, in which case the quote would still make sense; 12 would not make them significantly older than the other protagonists. Hilbert/Hilda being 14/15 is far more noticeable, hence why he noted it in the first place. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC) | ||
::::::::You're forgetting that I never originally added what he said to Brendan/May's articles, as they were already confirmed to be 12.[[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::And by "confirmed" I mean retconned. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
A "retcon" for what already seemed to be mostly a generalization (again, he never said ''all'' of the prior protagonists were 10/11) feels more like that statement shouldn't be taken entirely at face value. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
{{Indent}} I never said that, he only said "older than the 10 or 11 year-olds we used in ''previous games''" (note this interview was from when Gen V released), which ''suggests'' the Gen II and IV PCs were also within that age range. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 00:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:I'm aware of when the interview took place and I did I mention above that this was a possibility, yes. I was mainly stating that I'm not comfortable with listing the statement as hard confirmation of their ages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::If it isn't considered hard confirmation, is there anything against listing them as "''about'' 10/11"? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 01:21, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::'''PokemonMasterJamal3''': Brendan and May weren't stated to be 12 at that time. I'm not saying you're supposed to believe in 100% they are that age, I'm saying it has to be noted that they all were described to be that age, otherwise it's dictating what people should think and gatekeeping the information.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 22:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::The word "all" was never stated by Sugimori, which is what I'm trying to emphasize here. I'm not stating the info is useless or anything, I'm just saying I don't think it's concrete enough to list as their ages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 23:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::::Bottom line, ForceFire declined it, so they had the final word on this matter. It doesn't confirm anything and that's final. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:35, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::::It's still the straightforward sense of this sentence, he would need to add exeptions if he wanted us to know it's not about all of them. Adding the age to the page doesn't make it universal fact it just means they were meant to be that age at some point, different games still could retcon the age multiple times. I just want us to report all what we know and not gatekeep information.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 17:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== New Pokemon Infobox == | == New Pokemon Infobox == | ||
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File:JN020 Meganium.png|acklowledgement of the difference | File:JN020 Meganium.png|acklowledgement of the difference | ||
</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
::::Male Meganium's antennae are longer than the female, so yes, it's absolutely based off length. The shape is only like that because it's following the shape of the head, the female antennae does the same thing (it follows the shape of the head).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 06:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::::You know well it's not true.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 22:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Categories == | |||
Could you not jump to your admin power and please start a discussion first? You know, the thing you preach that us lesser beings have to do? Both Infernape and Greninja are one of the heaviest focused Pokémon of their series and a category for their focused episode like any other important character makes sense. If someone else gets an Infernape-dumb argument but okay-then why not make the name “Ash’s Infernape” like I started with? Fixed your issue with it, right? Looking forward to your response!--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:I also want to add that reserving it for walking Pokémon is an odd cutoff. Togepi or Dedenne has hardly done anything compared to those two. Is this not worth taking another look at after a decade?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::At one point, I made a category for episodes about Mimikyu, but came to kind of regret doing it later after seeing how little episodes it had. Could you remove it? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::That helps prove my point. Mimikyu is a walking Pokémon with a small amount of focused episodes. What, like 5 compared to 20? Being a walking Pokémon isn’t the best way to determine these categories.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::Hello? You undid my edits and I want to talk about it.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 18:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
{{indent}}If you want to suggest making new categories, you need to ask on a talk page. Don't just do as you please. And it was also once deleted before, so I deleted it again. We don't need categories for literally every Pokemon a characters owns, and the ones that you deem important were really only important for their own series, unlike Pikachu or Meowth who are basically main characters. I personally would restrict it even further to just those two, or maybe include Wobbfuffet just for how long its been around.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 06:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== User:Great designer == | |||
[[User:Great designer]] has left a trace of many suspicious activities here in addition to manipulating puppet accounts. The user page contains some overt information on stalking and impersonating, which they have been doing since mid-February. There is also much evidence of their insulting and harassing other users and bureaucrats on social media with ''ad hominem'' attacks followed by long and opaque statements. The user claims to have sent an email and addressed some unspecified topics on 17 June 2020 (UTC). The message was left on [[User talk:DzaiSheng]] and [[User talk:Great designer]], but no such email has been received as of now. This makes their latest activity very dubious. The eponymous account on 52Poké has been permanently banned since late April for repeated misuse and appropriation of contributions by others in and out of the site. Considering his wrongdoings on the sibling site and on social media, I would suggest keeping a close watch over what they vow to do next.[[User:DzaiSheng|DzaiSheng]] ([[User talk:DzaiSheng|talk]]) 09:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Add Page to template. == | |||
Heya, | |||
I made [[List of other event distributions (Generation IX)]], as the first distribution for Scarlet and Violet had just been announced. Can this page be added to [[Template:Event Pokémon]]? Also the Generation 4 GTS link on this template links to a redirect, if this can be corrected or the original page moved back to where it used to be. [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 18:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 18:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::You deleted the Generation 7 page from the template there.[[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 18:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::Oops, fixed.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 18:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== [[Pokémon in Russia]] == | |||
Would it be a good idea to hide the two latest revisions from Inkster on this article, since the vandalism is still present and visible there? [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 18:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Oh and it's visible in your last revision too. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 18:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::Looks like Inkster didn't remove all of the vandal's edit in their undo edit, so my rollback of the vandal only removed what Inkster removed. I've hidden all the edits.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 05:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Volcanion == | |||
Did you intend to make Volcanion's species page only editable by administrators? [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 05:36, 24 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Oh... um... oops. Fixed.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 05:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Type specialists == | |||
Hi! Sorry to bother you, but I was hoping to get your input on [[User talk:Pale Prism#Specialists|this discussion]] about type specialists. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|<span style="color:#FAA;">⚫︎ Pale</span> <span style="color:#AAF;">Prism ⬟</span>]]''' <small style="color: #666;">[ [[User talk:Pale Prism|<span style="color:#666;">Talk</span>]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|<span style="color:#666;">Contribs</span>]] ]</small> 00:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Bumpity bump. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|<span style="color:#FAA;">⚫︎ Pale</span> <span style="color:#AAF;">Prism ⬟</span>]]''' <small style="color: #666;">[ [[User talk:Pale Prism|<span style="color:#666;">Talk</span>]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|<span style="color:#666;">Contribs</span>]] ]</small> 01:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
::Bumpity, bumpity bump. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|<span style="color:#FAA;">⚫︎ Pale</span> <span style="color:#AAF;">Prism ⬟</span>]]''' <small style="color: #666;">[ [[User talk:Pale Prism|<span style="color:#666;">Talk</span>]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|<span style="color:#666;">Contribs</span>]] ]</small> 23:33, 30 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Goh's Arctozolt == | |||
Hey, I rewatched some of Journeys's old episodes, and saw that Goh's Arctozolt appeared in (at least) three episodes. Its debut episode, well it was prominent for about 90% of the episode (unlike most of Goh's Pokémon). And like, I said, made a few more (somewhat) prominent appearances on Journeys. I already have a draft created, so can I have permission to officially post an Arctozolt article on the Main Page of Bulbapedia? | |||
[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 04:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:The notability requirements states: Those that haven't had plot significance must be used by him in at least two different episodes, in addition to their capture episode. So Goh needs to use it one more time. Just appearing three times means nothing if it only did something notable in one of those times. Side note: if you're wondering, yes I checked all of Goh's other reserve Pokemon and they still meet the requirement of being used by him at least twice.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 06:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Type specialists+ == | |||
Hi! So, according to you, [[Elesa]] <em>should</em> qualify as a notable {{type|Electric}} specialist of her sex because she's the only female out of six. On the other hand, [[Bede]] <em>shouldn't</em> count as a notable {{type|Fairy}} specialist of his sex because he's the only male out of four. | |||
Honestly, that's all fine and dandy, but it leads to an obvious question: what about characters who are 1 in 5? — '''[[User:Pale Prism|<span style="color:#FAA;">⚫︎ Pale</span> <span style="color:#AAF;">Prism ⬟</span>]]''' <small style="color: #666;">[ [[User talk:Pale Prism|<span style="color:#666;">Talk</span>]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|<span style="color:#666;">Contribs</span>]] ]</small> 00:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
:These "x out y" trivia should be based on common sense, you don't need to ask for every single different variation. What's next? is 1 out of 7 notable? Just use a bit of common sense.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 07:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC) | |||