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 Only Pokémon that the player can have as a starter count as true starters, not NPCs' starters. Eevee is only the starter of Blue, who's a NPC, and thus shouldn't be included in the template. Otherwise we would have to include every Pokémon that was a NPC's starter (ie: Wally's Ralts). - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 20:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 :Except that unlike Ralts, Eevee '''was''' supposed to be ''player's'' starter. If not the fact that rival snatched it, it would be player's. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 20:35, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
+::I fail to see the relevance in that. - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 20:37, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
+:::Eevee remains here along with the evolutions due to Colosseum giving Espeon and Umbreon ans starters and XD gives Eevee as a starter. Hope that clears things up. :) ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 20:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
+::::He means under the Yellow section. I agree. The player can not start with Eevee so it should not count as a starter Pokémon. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 21:19, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
+:::::Eevee is still technically a starter as your rival starts with it, and it was meant to be the player's starter and was given by Oak. Ralts was just caught in the wild and not given as a starter.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 00:57, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
+::::::I was saying that. Guess I worded it poorly. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 08:20, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
+== Changes ==
+Two topics:
+* Should we remove the Pokémon from Mystery Dungeon, considering them as player characters?
+* pikachu could be added to the Rumble series box, along with Rattata. [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 01:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
+: As much as it might be confusing to move the MD Pokémon, I would think that it needs to be kept the same unless the Player Characters template is also updated with images.  (Otherwise, it would look very weird for a template.)  [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:21, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
+Actually, we can add the MD characters to the player character template because they don't need their images shown on the player character template. Also, we need to remove the rumble section because they are now being called player characters. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 23:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
+::Well, the problem comes from the number of blue links that would be added from PMD and Rumble to the template.  (42-PMD/1-Rumble)  In addition, the template currently has an indicator to show what game each Pokémon is available from in PMD.  ("<sup>[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|<span style="color:#{{md sky color}};">S</span>]]</sup>")  Maybe it can be added to the template and everything will be alright, but I just do not want there to be any problems.  [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
+On my user page, I have a preview of a beta version of the new templates for the MD and Rumble characters in the player characters and the starter pokemon. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 00:03, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
+:Yep, I [[User:Iml908|just saw it]].  I have a few comments, though.  Besides a few issues with rounding corners, there is no visible way to see from it which Pokémon are available as a starter/playable character and which are not in each game.  ("<sup>[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|<span style="color:#{{md sky color}};">S</span>]]</sup>, again)  Plus, Eevee (→ Any Eeveelution) might be used for Conquest and Eevee (→ Pre-Gen IV Eeveelution), or something that works, might be used for XD.  [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 00:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
+Like I said, the one on my page is just a beta, and if it is ever added to the mainspace, it will be changed to be better. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 01:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
+: As two games can't be considered a whole series, this is how I think this template could be:
+{| align="center" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="background: #dcdce7; border: 1px solid #dcdce7; {{roundy|20px}}"
+|-
+| style="background: #bebed1; {{roundy|20px}} padding: 2px;" |
+{| class="toccolours" align="center" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" style="text-align: center; line-height: 19px; border: 3px solid #88a; {{roundy|20px}} padding: 0px;"
+|-
+|
+{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="background: transparent;"
+|-
+! colspan="2" style="padding-bottom: 1px; padding-left: 20px; padding-right: 20px;" | <div style="background: #ccf; {{roundytop|15px}} padding: 2px 15px;">[[Player characters]]</div>
+|- style="font-size: 100%;"
+! style="background: #ddf; {{roundytl|10px}} padding: 2px 15px;" | [[Main series]]:
+| style="background: #e6e6ff; {{roundytr|10px}} padding: 2px 10px;" align="center" | {{ga|Red}} • {{ga|Leaf}} • {{ga|Ethan}} • {{ga|Kris}} • {{ga|Lyra}} • {{ga|Brendan}} • {{ga|May}}<br>{{ga|Lucas}} • {{ga|Dawn}} • {{ga|Hilbert}} • {{ga|Hilda}} • {{ga|Kyouhei}} • {{ga|Mei}}
+|-
+| colspan="2" height="1" |
+|-  style="font-size: 90%;"
+! style="background: #ddf; padding: 2px 15px;" | [[Orre]]-based games:
+| style="background: #e6e6ff; padding: 2px 10px;" align="center" | [[Wes]] • [[Michael]]
+|-
+| colspan="2" height="1" |
+|-  style="font-size: 90%;"
+! style="background: #ddf; padding: 2px 15px;" | [[Pokémon Ranger (game)|Ranger]] series:
+| style="background: #e6e6ff; padding: 2px 10px;" align="center" | [[Lunick]] • [[Solana]] • [[Kellyn]] • {{ra|Kate}} • {{ra|Ben}} • {{ra|Summer}}
+|-
+| colspan="2" height="1" |
+|-  style="font-size: 90%;"
+! style="background: #ddf; padding: 2px 15px;" | {{pkmn|Mystery Dungeon}} series:
+| style="background: #e6e6ff; padding: 2px 10px;" align="center" | [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team#Playable characters|Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team]]<br>[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness#Playable characters|Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]]<br>[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky#Playable characters|Explorers of the Sky]] • [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (WiiWare)#Playable characters|Wii Ware games]]<br>[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Magnagate and the Infinite Labyrinth#Gameplay|Magnagate and the ∞ Labyrinth]]
+|-
+| colspan="2" height="1" |
+|-  style="font-size: 90%;"
+! style="background: #ddf; {{roundybl|10px}} padding: 2px 15px;" | Other [[Spin-off Pokémon games|Spin-off games]]:
+| style="background: #e6e6ff; {{roundybr|10px}} padding: 2px 10px;" align="center" | [[Mark]] • [[Mint]] • [[Todd Snap]] • [[Lucy Fleetfoot]]<br>[[Pokémon Rumble#Story|Rattata]] • [[Pokémon Rumble Blast#Story|Pikachu]] • [[Hero]] • [[Heroine]]
+|}
+|}
+|}
+[[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 02:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
+:True, but I was making comments on what I saw.  Sorry if I was being rude.  I just saw a few things with it that might be different.  (Plus, I do not think you would want me to mess with your Sandbox anyways.)  [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
+::I don't know if Pikachu and Rattata should be listed there for Rumble. Those aren't the only Playable characters unlike the others, not to mention they don't actually have their own articles anyway. You could add [[Pikachu (PokéPark)|this Pikachu]] though. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 03:10, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
+:::Well, that might be the same to say for the PMD series as you can also control other Pokémon.  By the end of this, we might be moving the PMD section back to [[Starter Pokémon]].  (There is Snivy, Tepig, and Oshawott from PokéPark as well) [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
+::::In PMD, ou control other Pokémon, but they do not represent the player. And Rumble can be removed, IMO. [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 11:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
+:::::Snivy, Oshawott, and Tepig were not given their own pages though. I don't like putting them here if they don't actually have a separate page. I've considered giving them a page, but no one else agreed there was enough info on them. As for MD, I had forgotten you can play other Pokémon, but you can't do that until much much later into the game...so I dunno. I'll talk to {{u|Werdnae}} about it tomorrow when/if I get a chance. But the way they are now, I don't like MD being here, because (like I said earlier) they don't have their own page. We're simply linking to the MD pages. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 11:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
+::::::Ah, finally! Thank you, Jo! The only think that looks out of place is the (→ Any Eeveelution) in XD's box, since the other Pokémon's final stages are not shown. [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 16:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
+:::::::Thank you! [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 15:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
+== Removing MD and Rumble ==
+So now that the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon and Rumble Pokémon have been changed to Player characters, why are they still on the Starter page? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 01:10, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
+:Likely the reason why there are still there is that it has not been fully decided what to do with PMD and Rumble as seen in the section above.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 01:35, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
+== Kalos ==
+Shouldn't the template be updated with Kalos? [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] ([[User talk:Torpoleon|talk]]) 20:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
+== Both ==
+Using the word ''both'' twice for the Colosseum starters looks a little confusing. Wouldn't it be better to have something like this:
+<center>
+{| width="25%" class="roundy" cellspacing="1" style="background: #{{colosseum color}}; border: 2px solid #{{colosseum color dark}};"
+|-
+! style="background: #{{colosseum color light}};" class="roundy" colspan="2" | {{colorlink|Pokémon Colosseum|000|Colosseum}}
+|-
+| width="50%" style="text-align:center; background: #FFFFFF;" class="roundy" | {{MSP|196|Espeon}}{{MSP|197|Umbreon}}<br>{{p|Espeon}} and {{p|Umbreon}} <small>(both)</small>
+|}
+</center>
+[[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 14:54, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
+:Also, what about giving links to th Yellow starters, like <small>({{player}})</small> and <small>([[rival]])</small>? [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 15:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
+::I've updated the template to remove the divider to show that they are both available together. We decided against including "both" at the end as we felt it was a bit redundant. Thank you for bringing this issue up though. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]]''''' 23:03, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
+:::No problem, glad to help. [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 16:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
+== Includeonly ==
+Can I ask if <nowiki><includeonly>[[Category:Starter Pokémon]]</includeonly></nowiki> could be put in the template? Thanks. — [[User:Reshi643|<span style="color:#7038F8">Reshi</span>]][[User talk:Reshi643|<span style="color:#F08030">643</span>]] 18:59, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
+== Menu Sprites for Kalos Starters ==
+Can you replace these question mark sprites into menu sprites for Chespin, Fennekin and Froakie please? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 09:14, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
+:Seems like they've done that, but I'm wondering where the file for the are on this site? ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 07:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
+::The files are stored (as well as uploaded, managed, and so on) on separate site (Bulbagarden Archives), so it takes a while to update. Anyway, they're showing for me. [[User:Uploader|Uploader]] ([[User talk:Uploader|talk]]) 08:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
+:::*They were for me too, until the page the file is shared on gets updated, it is back to the question mark sprites as a redirect, it seems.  No idea why, might have to do with the quality and matching them up or something. I really have no idea. :/ ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 16:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
+:::::The files that were up for a short while were stolen from another fansite by a contributor. They have since been deleted & redirected back to the question mark. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 16:47, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
+::::::*I started to suspect as much when I started browsing around the archives. We'll just have to wait until an admin is able to capture a shot from the games themselves. Or someone with proof of uploading it themselves. ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 20:21, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
+== Inclusion of side games? ==
+Why are Colosseum and XD included in this template? We haven't considered them main series games for several years, and even though they still seem to be in a sort of nebulous state at the moment, they still aren't main series to my awareness. Is this just a matter of a lack of thoroughness in implementing their change of status? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:13, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
+:See also: [[Talk:Starter Pokémon#Split]]. I would question Yellow's inclusion as well, at the very least the "Rival" part. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:08, 29 December 2013 (UTC)