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This is the longest page on Bulbapedia, and it will continue to get longer. In addition, it's not in our best interests to separate the page into several different pages. Interesting, eh? --[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] 22:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC) | This is the longest page on Bulbapedia, and it will continue to get longer. In addition, it's not in our best interests to separate the page into several different pages. Interesting, eh? --[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] 22:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
Perhaps some spoiler tags? --[[User:EmpoleonDynamite|EmpoleonDynamite]] 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC) | :Perhaps some spoiler tags? --[[User:EmpoleonDynamite|EmpoleonDynamite]] 16:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
==2 million years ago?== | ==2 million years ago?== | ||
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::Makes no sense whatsoever. Especially since it's dated alongside "First Pokémon existed, according to archaeology. That war showed a plethora of Pokémon. Just because it happened before Poké Balls existed, and features an ancient art doesn't mean it happened 2 Million years ago. 2 Million Years ago, Homo Erectus was just getting going. Does this mean that Sir Aaron and Princess Rin are Homo Erectus? What's more, does this mean Princess Irene is a descendant of a Homo Erectus? Such placement of Movie 8's prologue is absolutely ridiculous. Probably would make more sense alongside the Otomegasaki reference at 2000 years ago. But heck, we have no idea, so why are we labeling a timeframe for it? Smells awfully like fan speculation to me - and you know what they say about fan speculation... [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 06:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC) | ::Makes no sense whatsoever. Especially since it's dated alongside "First Pokémon existed, according to archaeology. That war showed a plethora of Pokémon. Just because it happened before Poké Balls existed, and features an ancient art doesn't mean it happened 2 Million years ago. 2 Million Years ago, Homo Erectus was just getting going. Does this mean that Sir Aaron and Princess Rin are Homo Erectus? What's more, does this mean Princess Irene is a descendant of a Homo Erectus? Such placement of Movie 8's prologue is absolutely ridiculous. Probably would make more sense alongside the Otomegasaki reference at 2000 years ago. But heck, we have no idea, so why are we labeling a timeframe for it? Smells awfully like fan speculation to me - and you know what they say about fan speculation... [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 06:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
My guess it the stupid english dubs made the "2 million year ago story".They come up with all sorts of rubbish.--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 04:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
==One year== | |||
It should be noted that the "it's already been a year" line was dub-only. In the Japanese version, Satoshi (I believe) said it had just been a long time since they were last in Tokiwa City. The dub also makes up a few other details, like contests happening once a year.--[[User:Biccy|Biccy]] 21:53, 15 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
== missing episodes == | |||
there seems to be a few episodes missing.That would have something interesting to write about | |||
[[Attack of the Prehistoric Pokémon|Pocket Monsters]] | |||
[[A Chansey Operation|Pocket Monsters]] | |||
--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 09:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
The movies also don't seem to be placed.--[[User:Trebligoniqua|Trebligoniqua]] 16:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Chikorita had a Crush on Ash == | |||
I think this should be included because it plays role in many episodes to come. It is revealed in [[EP127|Once in a Blue Moon (EP 127)]] [[User:SinnohFan|SinnohFan]] 01:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Movies? == | |||
Why are the movies not included in the timeline? Lots of inportant stuff happened like Mewtwos plot to destroy the human race, Lugia and the bird trio causing a global desater, the reawakining of a diety! So why arn't they included? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 17:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
:That's because movies are not considered canon. While you state interesting info such as with Lugia and Mewtwo, there is no true way to know whether it happened according to the anime or not. Even if so (like with Lucario and the Mystery of Mew), there is no place to put it. Notice that it's chronologically listed (timeline). So the examples you state... we don't know where to put them... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#DAA520"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 02:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
::This was copied and pasted from the trivia section of Mewtwo Strikes Back> "The events of this movie happen after The Pi-Kahuna and before Make Room for Gloom, though it premiered in Japan between The Case of the K-9 Caper and Pokémon Paparazzi." There is a chronologicle place for some of the movies, if there wasn't they woudn't post trivia like this in the trivia section for those movies. This one in particuler would fit perfectly into the timeline even if the characters don't mention it because they forgot the events that happend during their visit to New-moon Island and was later adressed in the Mewtwo Returns special. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 17:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::The problem is that how we set it up, it's by season, and thus by episode chronology; the movies are not exactly part of the season, though I understand what you're saying. But, notice how there are no events in regards to the anime specials either, with Raikou and the appearances of Ritchie, etc. I dunno. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#DAA520"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 17:39, 9 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::But Mewtwo did make a couple apperances in the anime befor the movie aired, those few clips were then used in the movie. There is evedence that he exists in the anime and that the events actualy happend. I would also like to know why the Pokémon Ranger specials are listed and why they are considerd cannon, because as far as I've seen Pokémon rangers don't exist outside of movies and specials. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 18:14, 9 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::[[DP070|Here]] and [[DP071|here]]. Also, in the events of [[EP220]][[EP221|-]][[EP222]], there's no evidence of Ash meeting a Lugia before. [[EP187]] is one ep that Articuno is shown, yet Ash takes out his Pokédex, signifying he's never seen it before. Though, that evidence is lacking since there are multiple times that happens even within the anime series. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#DAA520"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 19:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::First of all you ment [[DP071|Here]] and [[DP072|Here]]. But those episodes were also considerd specials wich goes with what I said. Also the pokedex reads multiple Pokémon multiple times as a curtisy to the veiwers who missed earlier episodes. For Articunu spicificly this makes sense because it doesn't appear often. They started making the newer characters like May and Dawn scan the already scanned pokemon because it makes more sense but they could not do this in the case of Articuno because they laked the other characters that own a Pokédex. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 20:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::If they were specials, then they'll be outside of the season... that's what I was trying to tell you also, I'm agreeing with you about that, but you interpreted it wrong... my last statement, mind you. And, at Articuno, Ash explicity remembers Ho-Oh [[EP181|from 180 episodes ago]] after seeing it. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#DAA520"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 22:00, 9 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Birth years and such == | |||
All of it seems speculative. Like I doubt Johanna won the Grand Festival right after Jessie was born. And I don't think there was any proof of Paul being 11 other than PokeAni estimating it to be so. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 12:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Is this even nessacary? == | |||
I'm sorry, but timelines are generally full of fanwanking, I really don't think this is a good idea for an article. Or at least remove the superflous "entries" like birth years.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 05:15, 29 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Significant Events == | |||
''"This is a chronological list of '''significant events''' in the anime and the episodes which they occurred in, or, for events which happened outside the series, where they happened in relation to the episodes.''" | |||
Many facts on this list aren't that significant... In AG002, it mentions that Ash and May arrive in Oldale Town, and that they leave Oldale Town. Not that big a deal. And in BW005, Tepig and Oshawott learn Tackle. Big whoop. Someone's gotta go through this and clean it out.--[[User:Burgundy|<font color="yellow">Bu</font><font color="red">rg</font>]][[User talk: Burgundy|<font color="blue">un</font><font color="green">dy</font>]] 00:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
== The Beginning Of Time == | |||
The article states that Arceus created the universe, yada yada yada. It's basically assuming that the Sinnoh creation myth is true in the anime, and is citing Arceus and the Jewel of Life as it's source. Admittedly, I haven't seen the movie from start to finish, but from what I remember, and what I read in the article for the movie here on the website, that was never mentioned. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 08:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Cilan and his brothers being born should be added == | |||
I mean c'mon can't we add "Cilan, Chili, and Cress were born." should we? We have the main characters and rivals birth dates as well as relatives. It's fare to add Cilan and his brothers. Grabbergirl ♥ ★ 00:51, 1 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Ash's Age is Inaccurate == | |||
Every body tends to call Ash ten, but it's sort of untrue. In the begining of most of the regions in the anime, the narrator calls Ash ten but there have been a few year passing episodes, like in an episode with the pichu bros. They were celebrating pikachu's one year anniversary with Ash. This being said there have been around 700 episodes or so and lets just say 1 episode= 1 day it would amount to around a little over two years. Also I doubt every episode is one day because there are times when it wouldn't make sense for it to be day by day. For example when Lyra and Corry were traveling with Ash and the Gang and had to go it had only been about three episodes and they acted like they had been there for a decent amount of, time so they had to have been there for at least a week or so. Also there are all kinds of conspiracy theories about why Ash is still young the truth is I believe he is only around 13 or so in the latest Black and White episodes. I really haven't changed all that much since I was 10 and I'm almost 13 so why should Ash have to change. And most of the girls that Ash has traveled with are just getting their first pokémon so they must've just turned 10 recently to the first episode of the season. Meaning the characters are each at least 1 year younger depending on who they are. Misty is older though and Iris is probably around the same age. This would also explain why Iris is always calling Ash a kid. ASH IS 13！{{unsigned|Alakazam Dan}} | |||
:We go by canon here. The last time Ash's age was mentioned in canon, he was 10, and we have no way of confirming exactly how much time has passed in-universe since then. Therefore, he is 10 as far as Bulbapedia is concerned. (It's also quite probable that, like Bart and Lisa Simpson, he is perpetually 10 no matter how many birthdays or anniversaries pass, simply because the writers want to keep the status quo. It's common in cartoons, and even though it doesn't make sense, it's what they do.) | |||
:As a side note, an entire year passed in [[EP063|the first sixty-two episodes]], so if we speculated the way you want us to, Ash should be well over 20 years old by now at that rate. Plain and simple: he's a cartoon, so he doesn't age. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:16, 11 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
MMMMMM there are too many in accurate things here I don't think I should consider this a valid source though thanx for respondong so fast been nice talking to ya i understand you guys have to go with proven stuff. {{unsigned|Alakazam Dan}} | |||
== trivia worthy at least == | |||
Not exactly which episode, but in either 162-167 (original series) Team Rocket states they have been chasing after Ash and his Pikachu for years, or something like that if my memory serves me.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:33, 13 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
==Clemont's age== | |||
Clemont's age hasn't been explicitly stated in the anime yet. I've been watching the Japanese version too, and nothing. Because of that, I moved the statement "Clemont is born" to the year "???". Not to mention that since he is a Gym Leader with an evolved team of Pokemon, it seems unlikely that he is a new trainer. [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] ([[User talk:Mooites|talk]]) 02:34, 29 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
== About Mairin == | |||
I just want to see what other people think about this. It say's Mairin got Chespie and started her journey before the XY series began but it's heavily suggested that she began her journey some time after XY002. The evidence being she didn't have any Pokémon other than Chespie at the time of her debut, she completely lacks experience as a trainer, and she said that Professor Sycamore told her about the events of XY002 (given the stage of her journey she was obviously at, I doubt she had any reason to visit him). I don't really expect the article to be changed I just figured it was worth bringing up to see what other people think about it. | |||
== Power of Us == | |||
Just watched Power of Us and thought it made the most chronological sense if it went in the 'Gotta Catch Ya Later' section at the end of Johto below 'Ash leaves all his Pokémon, except Pikachu, at Professor Oak's Laboratory.'. I'm new here so not entirely sure how this works, if the chronology needs to be confirmed canon and haven't thoroughly checked for contradictions.[[User:Sgt.Monkeyface|Sgt.Monkeyface]] ([[User talk:Sgt.Monkeyface|talk]]) 00:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Previous comment == | |||
Just watched the episode I thought Power of Us would fit in, in my last post, and my idea was wrong since Ash decides to go to Hoenn straight away, so feel free to delete this post and my previous one. | |||
Thanks [[User:Sgt.Monkeyface|Sgt.Monkeyface]] ([[User talk:Sgt.Monkeyface|talk]]) 21:50, 8 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Black and White series == | |||
Can someone add in the Crisis at Chargestone Cave that Team rocket meets bianca | |||
and in the Curtian up unova league, * Bianca and Stephan meet each other for the first time. | |||
* Bianca and Cameron meet each other for the first time. | |||
* Cameron and Stephan meet each other for the first time. so remove cameron and bianca meeting under mission defeat your rival | |||
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