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In the modifiers table, how about items such as Light Ball, Thick Club? [[User:Lahar|Lahar]] 23:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Whats the maximum for the stats? [[User:Kpokefan|<span style="color:#C0C0C0;">'''K'''</span>]][[User talk:Kpokefan|<span style="color:#50C878;">'''P'''</span>]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|<span style="color:#FFA6C9;">'''F'''</span>]] 01:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Stat modification in battle. ==

okay, this is probably the best place to raise the question.

the stat altering moves change stats in "levels" of up to six. how much does each "level" change the stats by? If this is already listed somewhere, i don't know where to find it.
:As far as I can tell, it works like this<nowiki>:</nowiki> Unmodified, stats are multiplied by 2/2 (with the exception of evasion and accuracy, which use 3/3 instead). Raising a stat by one level adds 1 to the numerator, whereas lowering by one level adds 1 to the denominator. This means that if you use a move like [[Growl]], the opponent's attack stat is multiplied by 2/3. Using it again changes 2/3 to 2/4, a.k.a. 1/2, and if you use it again it goes to 2/5, then 2/6, (or 1/3,) etc. --[[User:Legollama|Legollama]] 02:09, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

: Do negative stat changes in battle stay even after you switch out?[[User:Summerscythe|Summerscythe]] 20:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:: No. Switching out resets all stat alterations, +ve or -ve. - [[User:Solarys|Solarys]] 06:03, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

==Speed question==

If two Pokémon have the same speed stat in battle, what determines which will attack first? [[User:Lucario12|Lucario12]] 16:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Good question. I'm sure that it will be chosen randomly. [[User:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''TESH'''</span>]][[User_talk:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''IGIGAS'''</span>]] 16:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== All Stats Referred to Collectively ==

It's just an idea but I've noticed something. I've had the idea of instead of just reffering to a Pokemon's indivisual Stats; HP, Attack, Defense, Special Atk, Special Def and Speed, one could refer to all values that effect a battle.
Observe;


'''S'''pecial Attack

'''H'''P

'''A'''ttack

'''D'''efense

'''S'''pecial Defense

'''E'''vasiveness

'''A'''ccuracy

'''S'''peed

Reading the first letter of each Stat forms the word "SHADSEAS" (or an alteration on the order). What do you think? Could it be a new lingo? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 17:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe, but the order seems pretty messy to me, as I'm more comfortable with the order HP-Atk-Def-SPAtk-SPDef-Spd. And&nbsp;remember to sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), this was already mentioned in your welcome message (I hope you already read it through). <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 17:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, signed it now [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 17:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Evasion stages/modifiers? ==

What's the maximum % of evasion a PKMN can have? (I.e. 6 uses of Double Team, Bright Powder and Hail/Sandstorm ability bonus.)

Firstly, do the items/abilities stack with each other and stages linearly or diminishingly?

If linearly, it will be 96.67%: 6 stages (9/3 multiplier) = 66.67% evasion + 20% from ability boost + 10% from Bright Powder

If diminishingly with stages only, it's 76.67%: 66.67% + 6.67%{{tt|*|(100-66.67)×0.2)}} from ability boost + 3.33%{{tt|*|(100-66.67)×0.1)}} from Bright Powder

Or if diminishingly with each other AND stages, it's around 75~76%, depending on whether the item or ability is accounted for first.

- [[User:Solarys|Solarys]] 06:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

:I've been wondering this same thing, every time one of my Pokémon will get hit by {{m|SmokeScreen|Smokescreen}} or {{m|Sand-Attack}}, they miss more then half the time.  But additional uses don't seem to make a huge difference. [[User:Derian|&#91;&#91;Derian&#93;&#93;]] 19:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

::They stack diminishingly. So the effects of bright powder/your ability get smaller the more you double team or minimize. However, they remain the same if you sand attack because accuray is a diffrent stat.

-[[User:Kin-Kyukon|Kin-Kyukon]]

== Incorrect formulas ==

Hey, sorry to revert the awesome-looking formula images in the [[Stats#Formula|#Formula]] section to text, but they're incorrect.

Generations {{gen|III}} and {{gen|IV}} have ''Nature ×'' '''at first''', when [[Stats#Nature|#Nature]] says this:

: ''After all other calculations are finished, the stat that the nature enhances will be 110% of what it would be without the nature, and the stat hindered will be 90% of its normal value.''

Generations {{gen|I}} and {{gen|II}} have ''EV / 2048'', when [[Effort values#Generation I]] says the formula is [[File:Statexp.png]].

And since I don't know how to make those awesome-looking formula images or even update them, I'll leave it to the uploader to modify them. The relevant files are StatFormulaHPGenI.png, StatFormulaGenI.png, StatFormulaHPGen3.png and StatFormulaGen3.png. [[User:Looce|Looce]] 17:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:If you can explicitly point out the corrections to be made, I can get on that for you. When I created the images I was going on the information I was provided with. If it is incorrect, I'm happy to provide a fix given that you tell me what to change it to. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 23:51, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:: To the current revision of [[Stats#Formula|#Formula]]'s text. Namely,
::* In Gen I and II, both formulas, update EV/2048 to be squareroot(EV + 3) / 4. Even better would be to say STAT EXP in Gen I and II's formulas instead of EV, because that's what they were known as back then.
:::* So, like this, then?
::: [[File:HP_calc.png]]
::: Except that formula is wrong, because it has to be divided by 8, not 4 (the denominator on the bottom is 50, not 100.) My mistake.[[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::* In Gen III and IV, other status formula, move ''Nature ×'' to the end as '''× Nature'''
:: Though it may be that the ''(... + 50 + ...) / 50'' thing for Gen I and II's HP was correct, even if it's in Gen III and IV as ''+ Level + 10'', so you don't really need to update that. Thanks in advance :) [[User:Looce|Looce]] 03:15, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with changing the terms to the obsolete ones. It is confusing. I have been having problems with the term “effort points” in the last two generations, which I suspect are being used interchangeably for “effort values”. Note that the terms have been changed, but stick to one or the other from then on. Of course it would have been better to have not changed the terms at all, but what’s done is done. [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 11:22, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:Just a little thing for Looce, um... Nature's first because of the transitive property. Notice the parentheticals? Plus, the correct answer is not gotten... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 10:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

In the first paragraph under Effort Values, before the formulas, shouldn’t that be “For every 4 ''effort points'' gained, a level 100 Pokémon will have 1 extra point in its stats”? And where did the 50 and 2048 come from? It isn’t mentioned anywhere on this page or in the Effort Values article. So which formula for determining the stat points is correct? 50+(EV/2048) or squareroot(EV+3)/4? [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 13:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:: Whoever wrote the current Gen III-IV "Other Stats" formula left Level out of the calculations. Smogon's formula is        Stat = (((2 * BaseStat + IV + (EV / 4)) * Level / 100 + 5) * Nature) [[User:Professor|The Professor]] 15:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::: It's been fixed, BTW. My bad. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 04:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

===Now wait a minute!===
Your stat calcs are wrong! Arceus with a 31 IV and 252 EV in HP will have 444 HP. Your calculation gives it a maximum of 394. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 10:31, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:Do the math again. It gives exactly 444. --[[User:Miliko|Miliko]] 18:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

===Off by one?===
I implemented this formula in Lua: http://pastie.org/7732032

but, sometimes I'm getting results that are one more than the game's result (in Soul Silver). Maybe the rounding is wrong? [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] ([[User talk:HyperHacker|talk]]) 07:17, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

==Nature Factor==
After some tests using the formula on Lv5 Pokémon on my Emerald Rom, I think the Nature factor on it is placed on the wrong place. It should not affect the final "5" on it. I specifically tested it on an Adamant Magikarp with perfect Atk IV, the formula gives me a stat of 8, and in the game it is 7 (I tested the IV with the IV Man). And in other Pokémon (Breloom IIRC), I had the same problem. Could someone test it? --[[User:Miliko|Miliko]] 18:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
*You need to truncate (drop the decimals) before applying the nature boost. --[[User:Sp unit 262|sp unit 262]] 03:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

== What happens with Speed? ==

When two Pokémon's speeds are equal, they attack first with 50% probability each. If the speeds are a bit off, the probability does not jump to 100%. What actually happens? [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 21:24, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

*I noticed this too, especially in the older generations; I think the higher level one with a slightly lower speed may have a chance to go first. I don't remember seeing this happening in the battle tower/frontier, or link battles, though, even when there's a level difference. ~ [[User:Solarys|Solarys]] 12:16, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

:*Btw, you can easily test this on an emulator. Make sure you have a spare slot in your party, and an active Pokémon with non-damaging moves (optional, but preferred). First take note of your active Pokémon's speed, then go fight something with a similar level and base speed. Save a state when you enter the fight, then catch the enemy to see its speed. If it's off from yours by more than, say, 3 points, load your saved state and run; otherwise load your saved state, keep choosing different moves to see whether the faster one always goes first. ~ [[User:Solarys|Solarys]] 12:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

::*I can confirm this with a non-emulator device - the slower one can also sometimes go first. But the greater the speed difference, the less likely it happens. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 04:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

== In the anime ==
A while back ago I made an edit about how Speed worked in the anime. Is it possible that we could make a seperate section or page that's about how stats work in the anime, because I can definitely see a bit of a difference. For example, Double Team normally raises evasion but it also seems to raise attack power in the anime because all of the clones can attack. --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 00:04, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well? --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 21:48, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Can we please ==

Make a clear definition of stages? I only get the gist of it. --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 00:52, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
:Stages are incredibly simple. Let's say my Pokémon has 420 Attack and it gets hit with FeatherDance (which lowers the Attack stat by two stages). The second stage of decrease is 1/2. 420 * .5 = 210, meaning that whenever damage calculations have to take my Attack stat into consideration, it will use 210 instead of 420.{{unsigned|Hexagon Theory }}
::Thanks, I found some extra info on it. <span style="color:#91A3B0">—</span>[[User:Venomoth|<span style="color:black; font-size: 13pt">'''''V'''e<small>№</small>moth''</span>]][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 09:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== Regarding calculation of successful hit in battle ==

"If P is greater than 1, the move will surely hit." But what if P isn't greater than 1? Surely it won't always miss... does anybody know anything about the formula that determines successful move hits? [[User:Hexagon Theory|Hexagon Theory]] 21:27, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:P is just the probability that the move will hit.  Probabilities greater than 1 don't make any sense, so it's explicitly stated that they're the same as 1 (i.e., always hit).  Once the probability is calculated, the game (in effect) generates a random number between 0 and 1; if P is greater than or equal to this number, the attack hits.  --[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 16:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
::D'you know for certain that the random number is uniformly distributed?{{unsigned|Hexagon Theory}}
:::Technically, no, I don't know that, though I would expect it to be (or, at least, as close to uniform as pseudo-randomness can get you).  --[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 19:49, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== Trading and level up ==

If you have a level 100 Scyther, with a speed of 300, and trade with metal coat, than wouldn't it have a higher speed than a scizor level 100 can have?(its highest according to the sat calculation is 251, and I only used this as an example.) Also, what if you had a level 100 Eevee(with a speed of 229, it's highest possible speed), and for example, you evolve it into a Jolteon, it will still have less than the minimum speed a level 100 Jolteon can have, so how does this work? Do the stats get reset? {{unsigned|Phoenixon}}
:Stats are always recalculated upon evolution. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 22:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Contrary ==

Why is Contrary listed as an ability that lowers Attack and Defense? That's not what it does... [[User:EnosShayrem|<span style="color:#697437;">Enos</span>]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Shay</span>]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#0088FF;">rem</span>]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|<sup><span style="color:#000000;">Ta</span><span style="color:#BBBBBB;">lk</span></sup>]] 04:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

== Wrong example ==

For the example showing how to work out a Pokémon's Sp.Att it shows:<br>
[[Image:StatExampleSpAtkGen4_1.png]]
[[Image:StatExampleSpAtkGen4_2.png]]
<br>When the game calculates a stat it rounds down '''before''' applying the nature. The example applies the nature first and then rounds down, that Pokémon would actually have a Sp. Att of 135. It's not that important but it should still be fixed. [[User:Pikiwyn|<font color="#d0000d" face="chiller">'''Pikiwyn'''</font>]] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt><sup>'''''<font color="black">talk</font>'''''</sup></tt>]] 19:34, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

== Garchomp total? ==

The base stat total + the EV total + the IV total of the lv. 78 Garchomp = 1220 but its stat total is 1240.
Can someone explain this? Nickvang 19:13 10 june 2011
* The stat total and the totals you see there are not equal. It takes 4 EV's to raise the stat total by 1, and each base stat raises the total by 2. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 02:04, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== Wrong information on the color of the HP bar ==

"If a Pokémon has less than 1/4 of their HP remaining, the color will turn red" http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8161/immagine1jxc.png 165/4=41.25, so what? It has less than 1/4, and its HP bar isn't red. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] 20:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it's 1/5? Try lowering the HP to less than 33. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 14:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::I'll try the next time I'll be able to. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] 20:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::I can confirm 1/5. I don't have any screenshot proof, but I'll run through the numbers. My Vaporeon has 314 HP. 314*1/5=62.8. Lo and behold, at 63 HP the bar is yellow, and at 62 HP the bar is red. 1/5 it is. [[User:Phizzle|Phizzle]] 07:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Ok, feel free to edit it. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] 08:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

== Stuff ==

If Paralyzed Pokémon has -6 in Speed, how much it will be slowed?

Also...

*+1 - <Pokémon>'s <Stat> rose!
*+2 - <Pokémon>'s <Stat> rose sharply!
*+3 - <Pokémon>'s <Stat> rose drastically!
*+6 - While no move (save for {{m|Belly Drum}}) can raise stat so much, the Wonder Launch item says ''immensely''.
*-1 - <Pokémon>'s <Stat> fell!
*-2 - <Pokémon>'s <Stat> harshly fell!
[[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 13:12, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

== Stat colors ==

It should be pointed out somewhere in the article something about the distinctive colors of stat modifiers. You know, the colors that were used in Gen III, but later dropped in Gen IV. The colors in Gen III are:
*Red/Yellow: Attack
*Light/Dark Green: Defense
*Orange/White: Sp.Atk
*Dark Green/White: Sp.Def
*Light Blue: Speed
*Purple: Accuracy
*Teal: Evasion
*Gray: Two or more stats

Whereas in Gen IV the colours are:
*Orange/Yellow: Positive modifier
*Blue: Negative modifier

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== Moxie? ==

I was scanning the items that are supposed to raise stats, and I did not see Moxie under the 'Attack' heading when it should be there.

--[[User:Sovest555|Drakkon]] 15:58, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

== Stat modifiers vs. EVs ==

The section on "Stat modifiers" largely discusses ''in-battle'' stat modifers (i.e. the six stages of increase/decrease for Attack/Defense/Specials/Accuracy/Evasion).  Vitamins, wings, and EV berries are ''not'' part of this (they act on EVs directly).  Should they be moved to the Effort Values section instead? --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 18:01, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== Stats about the stats ==

I think it may be a great idea to include an overall summary of all Pokémon stats in this article, like what already exists on the articles of individual types. An average may be a good feature, as well as upper and lower quartiles. This data could be sampled separately to incorporate all Pokémon in one table and all fully evolved Pokémon in another. I'd be happy to know what you all think. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 12:38, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

==Health Bar Color==
Recently I was playing HeartGold and noticed that my Girafarig (level 15 and caught in HG, near Lake of Rage) had a max health of 50 with a current amount of 26 but a yellow health bar. Why was this so? [[User:MethodicMockingbird|MethodicMockingbird]] ([[User talk:MethodicMockingbird|talk]]) 22:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Why is Contrary only listed as affecting a few stats on this page?--[[User:Chris Broach|Chris Broach]] ([[User talk:Chris Broach|talk]]) 04:47, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

== Should the Generation 5 formula for determining non-HP stats at level 50 be listed here? ==

I wasn't sure whether to add it, so I'll ask it here. Since some may be training their Pokémon for battling on the Battle Subway, Wi-Fi, or situations where a Pokémon's level is rounded down to level 50, should the formula [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_ev#level50 listed here] be somehow implemented into the article? Or instead of implementing the formula, should it just be mentioned that the formula for stat calculation is halved when determining stats? [[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 03:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

== Stat equation layout ==

Is there any particular reason they're laid out as they are? For instance,
[[File:OtherStatCalcGen34.png]]
is equivilant to 
[[File:AltGen3PlusStatFormula.png]]
and the latter is MUCH easier to read. --[[User:Keiya|Keiya]] ([[User talk:Keiya|talk]]) 10:17, 24 February 2013 (UTC)