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This might be considered completely unimportant, but I was wondering if anyone else though the trivia should be reworded to not say "it can deal 213,896,052 damage." Not sure if anyone else cares, but as far as I'm concerned the max damage that attack can deal is 12, and the max damage any attack can deal is 714. Basically what I mean is, is there a better word than "deal" that anyone can think of that refers to hypothetical damage, rather than damage actually done? [[User:Jas61292|jas61292]] 06:26, 21 February 2011 (UTC) | This might be considered completely unimportant, but I was wondering if anyone else though the trivia should be reworded to not say "it can deal 213,896,052 damage." Not sure if anyone else cares, but as far as I'm concerned the max damage that attack can deal is 12, and the max damage any attack can deal is 714. Basically what I mean is, is there a better word than "deal" that anyone can think of that refers to hypothetical damage, rather than damage actually done? [[User:Jas61292|jas61292]] 06:26, 21 February 2011 (UTC) | ||
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Technically, a way for it to deal more damage is if the foe is a level 1 Happiny that has used Reflect Type on a Bug- and Flying-type Pokémon (such as Combee, Vespiquen, Ledyba, Yanma, Butterfree, etc.) so that it can take up to 413,000,000 damage. I believe this is because Happiny's defense is half that of Ledyba, Yanma and Combee. Do comment if I'm wrong, but I do believe this is correct. Of course, the 413,000,000 damage is hypothetical damage; the most damage that can be dealt in one move is some 250. {{unsigned|Nitrodog96}} | Technically, a way for it to deal more damage is if the foe is a level 1 Happiny that has used Reflect Type on a Bug- and Flying-type Pokémon (such as Combee, Vespiquen, Ledyba, Yanma, Butterfree, etc.) so that it can take up to 413,000,000 damage. I believe this is because Happiny's defense is half that of Ledyba, Yanma and Combee. Do comment if I'm wrong, but I do believe this is correct. Of course, the 413,000,000 damage is hypothetical damage; the most damage that can be dealt in one move is some 250. {{unsigned|Nitrodog96}} | ||
:It doesn't matter whether it's Happiny or Ledyba, they both have the minimum Defense of 4 at level 1 as you can test in the games or calculate.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 17:08, 30 March 2014 (UTC) | :It doesn't matter whether it's Happiny or Ledyba, they both have the minimum Defense of 4 at level 1 as you can test in the games or calculate.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 17:08, 30 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
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I'm not sure if this is where I should put this, but the discussion about the max damage Shuckle can do has been going on for a little while, and I think this Smogon thread[http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/new-contender-for-most-damage-possible-in-pokemon.3502735/] shows the max damage in Gen VI as being 12,085,363,749. It involves a Huge Power Fire-type Flash Fire Shuckle using V-create (through Mimic) to a Dry Skin Steel/Bug/Grass-type Gastly (through Reflect Type and Forest's Curse) in the sun, and a lot more. | I'm not sure if this is where I should put this, but the discussion about the max damage Shuckle can do has been going on for a little while, and I think this Smogon thread[http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/new-contender-for-most-damage-possible-in-pokemon.3502735/] shows the max damage in Gen VI as being 12,085,363,749. It involves a Huge Power Fire-type Flash Fire Shuckle using V-create (through Mimic) to a Dry Skin Steel/Bug/Grass-type Gastly (through Reflect Type and Forest's Curse) in the sun, and a lot more. | ||
Again, I'm not sure if it really matters or not, but I just thought it would be neat to share. | Again, I'm not sure if it really matters or not, but I just thought it would be neat to share. | ||
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::::::My idea would have been to only include it in all needed detail once. And in my opinion, the most adequate places seem to be damage or Shuckle. If there's consensus on not keeping it anywhere (because it's too contrived etc.), that's also fine to me; I don't want to cast my vote for or against that. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:32, 22 October 2016 (UTC) | ::::::My idea would have been to only include it in all needed detail once. And in my opinion, the most adequate places seem to be damage or Shuckle. If there's consensus on not keeping it anywhere (because it's too contrived etc.), that's also fine to me; I don't want to cast my vote for or against that. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:32, 22 October 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::::::For reasons mentioned above, I would still like to "restore" the calculation somewhere. In case nobody says they're okay with that being as part of the trivium within an article (damage, I guess), I would be doing it at least as a hidden comment. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:37, 6 November 2016 (UTC) | :::::::For reasons mentioned above, I would still like to "restore" the calculation somewhere. In case nobody says they're okay with that being as part of the trivium within an article (damage, I guess), I would be doing it at least as a hidden comment. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:37, 6 November 2016 (UTC) | ||
== Trivia section - Lowest base HP comparison == | |||
Currently it reads - "Shuckle has the lowest base HP stat of all Rock-type Pokémon, with '''only two other''' Pokémon having lower base HP." | |||
However, there are 5 Pokémon with lower base HP: Shedinja, Diglett, Diglett (Alolan), Magikarp & Pichu. | |||
Source: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_base_stats_(Generation_VII-present)] | |||
{[[User:AnexasBlack|AnexasBlack]] ([[User talk:AnexasBlack|talk]]) 22:39, 8 March 2017 (UTC)} | |||
:Removed the false information; thanks for pointing it out. --[[User:Carmenstar97|<span style="color:#95EB5C">Carmen<small>★</small></span>]] <small>''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|<span style="color:#FEBEE8">(Talk |</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|<span style="color:#A6DAFC">contribs)</span>]]''</small> 22:45, 8 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
::The info is not false or anything. | |||
::In point of fact, Shuckle has 20 base HP. Magikarp and Pichu have 20 base HP. That is not "lower" than Shuckle. | |||
::I don't entirely know if it's worth trying to distinguish Diglett and Alolan Diglett either and saying there's "three", since that would imply there were Pokemon with something like 8, 9, and 10 base HP, rather than two of them being tied. Jumping through hoops just to note "Alolan" Diglett isn't worth it IMO. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::For what it's worth, we've always consistently considered different forms of a Pokémon to be just one Pokémon, and including regional variants on their normal counterparts' species pages sets the precedent that they are just forms and not anything more. So it wouldn't just be "jumping through hoops" to distinguish Diglett from Alolan Diglett; it would outright be false to consider them two separate Pokémon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:04, 9 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Suckle's real world equivilent == | |||
Currently the article suggests that Shuckle is a turtle I don't think that is correct. I think it would be more correct to say that it has similarities with both scale insects and barnacles. I edited the main page to add this information but I would also like to remove the mention of it being a turtle since I don't think that is right. However I am new to editing Bulbapedia so I didn't want to make a larger change without community ascent. Are there any objections to me removing the world turtle from the shuckle biology section? {{unsigned|Geoteridar}} | |||
:I do see some resemblance to turtles. There's the classic shell and the way the flippers stick out of it. It is vague, though, and more emphasis should probably be made on the scale insects and barnacles. But do not remove the turtle part. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:20, 3 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
::Fair enough I will leave it be. [[User:Geoteridar|Geoteridar]] ([[User talk:Geoteridar|talk]]) 20:25, 3 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::It already mentions scale insects in the origins section. The biology section is for describing the Pokémon's appearance (among other things).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:40, 4 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Snake Wine == | |||
This website: https://bogleech.com/pokemon/pbetashuckle.html | |||
makes what I believe is a fairly good case--based on the design of Shuckle's beta Gen II design-- that it was based, not on a scale insect or a slime mold, as is commonly believed, but on Okinawan snake wine. This would explain its snake-like head, its ability to ferment things in its flask-like shell, and its lack of a Bug-type in the beta game. Should we edit the article to reflect what may have been Shuckle's ultimate inspiration? | |||
[[User:ElSqiubbonator|ElSqiubbonator]] ([[User talk:ElSqiubbonator|talk]]) 16:35, 3 June 2020 (UTC)ElSquibbonator | |||
:Information regarding the beta are currently being put aside until we feel it is safe to create articles on them.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 16:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC) | |||