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Does anyone know the formula for this attack? Same question for [[Frustration]]. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

And wouldn't this make Return Lopunny's Signature Move? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 22:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
:If Frustration is Buneary's. We're still debating that, however... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 00:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::It's a difficult one to call, but if we call Return Lopunny's signiture move (and Frustration Buneary's), would we not then have to do the same with other examples. E.g. {{p|Vigoroth}} is the only Pokémon that can learn {{m|Focus Punch}} by leveling, but a substaintial amount can learn it through [[TM01]] in Generations III and IV. Tricky when you look at it, huh? From [[User:Samjohn95|<font color="Blue">Sam</font>]][[User talk:Samjohn95|<font color="Purple">john</font>]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|<font color="Teal">95</font>]] 01:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Rabbits either hate you or love you [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 14:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

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Do we ''really'' need that big list for Gen II? - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]]

Well, it all depends on whether all of the Pokemon in Gen.II can learn this attack. <small>[[User:Tesh|<span style="color:#FF594F;">'''TESH'''</span>]]</small><small>[[User Talk:Tesh|<span style="color:#5FA7C6;">'''TALK'''</span>]]</small> 16:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Any Pokémon that can learn TMs can learn Return and Frustration.  It's always been that way, and I think it's safe to assume it'll always be that way (unless they decide to pull another {{p|Regigigas}} on us with them like they did with {{m|Rest}} and {{m|Protect}}...). [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 10:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== Japanese name ==

おんがえし (恩返し) does not simply mean ''return''. I think it would be worthwhile to point out that it means ''repaying a favor/kindness'', which makes more sense in relation to the move than the current vague translation IMHO. I say at least make it ''return favor'' or something. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 00:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:That does make much more sense [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 15:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Power ==
Wait... so this can only do up to 41 power? Max happiness is 102 and that divided by 2.5 is 40.8 [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 15:40, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:You're reading it wrong. Take out the parts in brackets, which are there as explanation, and you get ''The base power of Return varies between 0 and 102''. 102 is the maximum power, which occurs at maximum happiness. The Happiness value ranges from 0 to 255 (one byte). 255/2.5 = 102. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 19:22, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::Ah ok, I figured I was reading it wrong but just didn't see where, max power of 102 makes a lot more sense for the amount of punch my Teddiursa's return is dealing, lol [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:18, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

== anime? ==

just a question, but has Return ever been used in the anime? [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 00:52, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
:I've never seen it been used. If it had been, I or another user would have put it up. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 01:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

== Wild Ditto? ==

What exactly would the power level be for a wild ditto that uses return? -[[User:Unendingfear|Unendingfear]] ([[User talk:Unendingfear|talk]]) 06:24, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
:Not really about the article, but checking the [[List of Pokémon by base friendship]] gives a wild Ditto a friendship of 70. Thus, 70 divided by 2.5 should make the Base Power likely be 28.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 08:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
::I did some trials in LeafGreen, and I successfully narrowed down the possible base friendship used to be between 58 and 72. Since my Pokemon hatched from an Egg recently and not having fainted (making it's friendship around 120), it hasn't been copied from it. The only reasonable value in that range to be used is Ditto's base friendship, so I think it is a reasonable assumption to state that wild Pokémon use their base friendship for Return/Frustration. Unfortunately, since I used Azurill, I don't know if Ditto used its base friendship or Azurill's, but I would assume it would be Ditto's since it didn't copy my current amount. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
:::What about a wild Lopunny?

== Varying Move Animation (Gen III) ==

In Generation III (Emerald, at least), the animation for Return changed depending on the Happiness/Friendship of the user. (This also applies to Frustration.) Does anyone think some research could go into this? [[User:LittleOmu|LittleOmu]] ([[User talk:LittleOmu|talk]]) 20:40, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
:If this is true, then it should probably be included on the article. [[User:Aaay|Aaay]] ([[User talk:Aaay|talk]]) 16:43, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

== in Link Battles ==

How well does this work in a link battle? I know Friendship and Affection are two different things, but the benefits of affection are not carried into Link battles so I am wondering if its the same for Friendship benefits. Is it worth making a Pokémon like you, or can you just stick them with Return (or maybe even frustration) and it work about the same in a link battle? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:03, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
:I have never heard it working any different than it works in-game.  Moves that are affected by friendship are completely different since beyond evolution, it's solely used to affect the power of moves, while affection allows Pokémon to dodge even 100% accuracy moves, early healing from statuses among other things. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 21:35, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
::So the benefits of friendship is carried into Link battles, ok thanks. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 07:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC)