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A lot of the 'evidence' in the Speculation section seems really unneccesary. What does bringing back ocean currents, an area with a sandstorm, or Ash's party in DP189, have anything to do with a possible remake? I think the section needs trimming. <small><small>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span></small></small>[[Pikachu (Pokémon)|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''⚡''']]</span> 20:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC) | A lot of the 'evidence' in the Speculation section seems really unneccesary. What does bringing back ocean currents, an area with a sandstorm, or Ash's party in DP189, have anything to do with a possible remake? I think the section needs trimming. <small><small>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span></small></small>[[Pikachu (Pokémon)|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''⚡''']]</span> 20:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC) | ||
:^ Ocean currents and sandstorms were introduced in Gen III and Ash used some of his Hoenn Pokémon in that episode. That is why they were added. I'm not saying they are the best piece of evidence, just saying why they were added. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 20:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
::I know, but they are not the same as, for example, Johto being coded in as a trade location, or Dawn traveling to Hoenn after SS024, opening the possibility of an anime reappearance for Hoenn. I guess they would have to re-code the ocean currents and the sandstorms back into the game, so thats fine, but as for DP189, thats from the Gen IV series, if Ash were to recall his Hoenn Pokemon in the Best Wishes series it would be notable. And a hiddden note next to it actually states that he only has three AG Pokemon on his team not including Pikachu (Sceptile, Swellow, Torkoal), Pikachu is what makes it "most of his team". Regarding some other points: | |||
* ''The sixth Gym Leader of Unova, [[Skyla]], is a Flying-type specialist and lives near a rainy area, like [[Winona]] from Hoenn and both are the sixth Gym Leader in their respective regions.'' | |||
::Like Winona and Skyla, Pryce, Candice and Brycen are Ice-type gym leaders #7, but it doesnt mean that HeartGold/SoulSilver and Diamond/Pearl will get remakes. | |||
* ''A fossil depicting an {{p|Armaldo}} in the [[Nacrene City]] museum.'' | |||
::Dragonite has a far more notable appearance, but it doesnt mean that they will remake FireRed/LeafGreen. And Armaldo is not unobtainable in BW. | |||
* ''A {{tc|Backpacker}} in [[Desert Resort]] tells the player that he comes from Hoenn, and that he doesn't need the [[Go-Goggles]] here unlike in Hoenn.'' | |||
* ''In [[Undella Town]] during Summer, a boy tells the player that he and his family comes from Hoenn and visit Undella Town every Summer. A girl also mentions [[Steven Stone]]. '' | |||
:: Random characters may mention Hoenn, but they also mention other regions. | |||
* ''No characters introduced in Generation III are reused in Black and White, unlike other generations which saw characters repeated in these games. [[Cynthia]], [[Looker]], [[Caitlin]], and a former {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} were introduced before they appeared in Black and White.'' | |||
::This is actually evidence against a remake, Jasmine appeared in DP, and her games got a remake. | |||
* ''The introduction of {{p|Maractus|another}} {{p|Cacnea|cactus}}-{{p|Cacturne|based}} Pokémon.'' | |||
:It also introduced another {{p|Bouffalant|bull}}-{{p|Tauros|based}} {{p|Miltank|Pokémon}}, {{p|Drilbur|mole}}-{{p|Diglett|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Baoppu|fire}} {{p|Hihidaruma|ape}}-{{p|Chimchar|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Munna|baku}}-{{p|Drowzee|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Zebraika|horse}}-{{p|Ponyta|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Koromori|bat}}-{{p|Zubat|based}} {{p|Gliscor|Pokémon}}, {{p|Dokkora|Machop}}-{{p|Machop|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Tympole|tadpole}}-{{p|Poliwag|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Nageki|Hit}}{{p|Dageki|mon}}-{{p|Hitmonlee|based}} {{p|Hitmonchan|Pokémon}}, {{p|Cottonee|cotton plant}}-{{p|Hoppip|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Lilligant|feminine, rafflesia}}-{{p|Bellossom|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Archen|fossil prehistoric bird}}-{{p|Aerodactyl|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Zoroark|kitsune}}-{{p|Ninetales|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Foongus|fungi}}-{{p|Shuckle|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Frillish|Jellyfish}}-{{p|Tentacool|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Galvantula|spider}}-{{p|Ariados|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Kumasyun|bear}}-{{p|Teddiursa|based}} Pokémon. | |||
:<small><small>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span></small></small>[[Pikachu (Pokémon)|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''⚡''']]</span> 23:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
I trimmed down the article and removed many unnecessary facts. Some of the facts that you removed were worth keeping. You don't hear anyone else mentioning [[Champion]] [[Lance]] of the [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] regions, do you? And having Dive return as a [[HM]], a large desert, The Riches Family (which is battled in the same way as Winstrates), ocean currents, language on walls (which wasn't present anywhere in [[Sinnoh]]), etc. is all there so that the programmers won't have to make much changes to the engine of Black and White for the remakes of Ruby and Sapphire. The same thing happened in [[Generation IV]]. [[HeartGold and SoulSilver]] were modified heavily off of [[Pokémon Platinum]]'s game engine and there was a good amount of similarities between [[Johto]] and [[Sinnoh]] ([[Jasmine]]'s appearance, [[Gym Leader]] line-up, interaction with trees, etc.). --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:20, 19 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Okay, I have trimmed down it again, and I will list my reasons here. There are just as many Sinnoh Pokémon only available via the Dream World or Poké Transfer as Hoenn ones; therefore, it is meaningless. Nobody mentions Lance, but someone does mention Cynthia; in fact, she appears there. Most likely, nobody mentions Lance because they haven't decided whether he will be Champion at this time. Currents also appeared in FRLG. There is a sandstorm area in Sinnoh too; sure, it is post-Elite Four, but that shouldn't mean anything. You can draw a tonne of parallels between Gym Leaders (7th Gym Ice anyone?), but none of them even come close to hinting a remake. No previous NPCs at all appeared in RS (both Gen I and II NPCs were absent); this is not the case in Black and White, and this is not what happened in DPPt. Yes, because not mentioning Team Aqua and Magma means that they can screw the storyline over and retcon it into another time period over 3 years later (presentably 3 years + the age of TR Grunt's son + 9 months). If they wanted to put Hoenn at the same time as Unova, they would have put Unova in Hoenn's time. Hoenn certainly isn't the only region with a Safari Ball, and they had no issue programming in capture animations for the Apricorn Balls and Sport Ball in HGSS. | |||
:There are a few other things that I still think are non-hints—Go-Goggles mention, The Riches, reference to Hoenn in Undella Town, having two rivals, Armoldo fossil—but I have left them anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
==Should this be added?== | |||
*[[Bianca]] and {{ga|May}}/{{ga|Brendan}} both give out the [[Dowsing MCHN]] and [[HM02]]. Coincidentally, both items are obtained after defeating the second and fifth gyms of the region. | |||
Probably not because it is just coincidental. Just wanted to ask before adding it and getting in trouble. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 17:55, 25 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Recent Developments from Junichi Masuda's Twitter Account == | |||
I'm still learning the ropes here, so I really don't know how to add this new development to the page. This development was covered by Bulbanews, which in turn got its information direct from Masuda's twitter feed. http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Masuda_replies_to_tweet_regarding_remakes_of_Generation_III_games --[[User:Marilynasol|Marilynasol]] 15:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Actually, it's already there on the right-hand side of the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 00:20, 15 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Notable? == | |||
I noticed that while Pokémon most Pokémon from the original four regions other than Hoenn retain sprites from one of older games (with not so many Pokémon having different sprites, like {{p|Ampharos}}. On other side, some have bigger changes than just pose, like eg. {{p|Phanpy}} or {{p|Donphan}}), many (if not all) of Hoenn Pokémon got their sprites visibly updated in B/W (not just poses but also colors, visible on eg. {{p|Grovyle}}, {{p|Regice}} or {{p|Combusken}}) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 19:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
:That's likely because the Hoenn Pokémon were the only Pokémon to ''not'' get their sprites updated at all in the 4th gen. Doubt it has anything at all to do with a remake. - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 19:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
::Except {{p|Registeel}}. inb4 Nazi Salute. Every other Hoenn mon had one Gen IV sprite, it was the same through DPPtHGSS. Before I got Internet, I though that sprites from R/S are how they should look. Now I know they're not (inb4 Grovyle with {{tt|blue|WTF? At least Treecko and Sceptile have green-a-like leaves, while Grovyle had obvious BLUE leaves}} leaves and Seedot with gray/grey "hat"). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::Registeel had its sprite edited for European D/P, making it a localisation change to begin with that was eventually universally implemented. It was about as much of an update as Imprison's animation change is (As in not at all). Not that that has anything to do with anything. - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 20:29, 22 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Johto? == | |||
Did May compete contests in Johto? I thought it was in Hoenn. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 17:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
:After the Advanced Generation ended may went on to Johto to continue contests. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 17:34, 22 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
Right? But Johto doesn't even have contests? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 17:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
::It does in the anime, apparently.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#800080">13</span>]] 17:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Starters. == | |||
While Kanto, Johto and Sinnoh have different base stats total for each unevolved starter (apparently 309 for Fire-types, 314 for Water-types and 318 for Grass-types), Hoenn and Unova have all unevolved starters at the same base stat total (310 and 308 respectively). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
==Deep Sand== | |||
Black & White has sand tiles (in the Desert Resort and Route 4) where wild Pokémon can be encountered, a mechanic introduced in Gen III but not used in Gen IV. I say this is evidence for Ruby & Sapphire remakes. —<small>'''[[User:Team Magma Zangoose|<span style="color:#444444">Team Magma</span>]] [[User talk:Team Magma Zangoose|<span style="color:#A00000">Zangoose ⚡</span>]]'''</small> 04:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
:That's not evidence.. Sorry. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:04, 26 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
still a bit suspicous to me but yeah, to me probably a coincidence, really significant hints are triple battles or dive hm returning or even dive ball returning to original function. Then again, you could be right considering nintendo is not known to do random stuff [[User:Mastervictini|Mastervictini]] 20:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
== suspicous black and white 2 logo? a hint to ruby and sapphire possibly == | |||
[[User:Mastervictini|Mastervictini]] 21:02, 29 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
I noticed the logo for pokemon black and white looks like it may be hinting to Hoenn,the ice is red and blue for white kyurem and black kyurem but the ice looks more like crystals then ice to me. It is probably just my imagination or a coincidence but the logo looks incredibly suspicous | |||
[[User:Mastervictini|Mastervictini]] 21:02, 29 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
== safari ball throwing animation and contest stats == | |||
if there were going to be no remakes why have a s-ball throwing animation, they went to the troble of removing hms 7 and 8 which are now blank spaces yet no safari zone is in Unova but they kept the animation which probably means future gen v games based in Hoenn will have a safari zone. | |||
The hidden contest stats are suspicous and the fact that ribbons are programed but usually unobtainable outside of rare events is eyebrowraising | |||
MasterVictini [[User:Mastervictini|Mastervictini]] 21:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
:The fact that generation IV key items are also hidden in the game code indicates that the hidden contest stats are likely copied code from generation IV games, rather than a hint of remakes. The same could be used to explain the safari ball throwing animation. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 22:33, 29 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
== red ,blue and green objects in recent movie 15 teaser trailer hinting somethig == | |||
I definately saw something looking a bit like 3 gems ruby, sapphire and emarald colored at one point during the video on pokemon smash | |||
I dont have a link but the video is on fib I wonder if this is a hint especially considering the video was offical {{unsigned|Mastervictini}} | |||
:[http://youtu.be/VGsFtHQtRPM This trailer]? I've watched it a few times and I still can't see any such gems. Can you screenshot them from it, if that is the video? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 07:19, 2 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
it was not in the actual movie it was in that room with those japanese guys on pokemon smash to their left - {{unsigned|Mastervictini}} | |||
[[User:Mastervictini|Mastervictini]] 15:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC) whoops, I watched the pokemon smash episode AGAIN but the "red blue green gems" are actually bags or something similar. sorry about that (the "red" is not even red, more like pink) by the way how do you provide links? | |||
:For info on links, simply look [[LLT|here]]. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 21:20, 1 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
==The R/S remakes speculation part...== | |||
Needs to mention some of the theory's criticism, like the Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation article did for that theory. - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] 23:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
==The trivia section== | |||
"Each set of remakes also use artwork on the boxart other than the official artwork released with the game." We can't really say this with ORAS, can we? It's entirely likely that the artwork on the boxes could be the official artwork for Mega Evolutions or alternate formes, as The Pokémon Company have already hinted at. [[User:Don't Hug Lucario!|Don't Hug Lucario!]] ([[User talk:Don't Hug Lucario!|talk]]) 16:27, 8 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! == | |||
Should these games be considered remakes? I've seen no official confirmation on this, and it looks like Pokémon Yellow was just an inspiration for some features of this game, not all of them. --[[User:Mine4017|Mine4017]] ([[User talk:Mine4017|talk]]) 23:12, 31 May 2018 (UTC) | |||
:Serebii seems to say it's a remake, but it could be a translation error or something. How reliable is Serebii, normally? Because that's where I go for my Pokémon news. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:17, 31 May 2018 (UTC) | |||
::Serebii is '''never''' a reliable source, it's a fansite. The game isn't outright called a remake, it just says that is is inspired by Yellow.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:39, 1 June 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::Well that's just great for me... What would be a reliable news source then? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:27, 1 June 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::Any official Pokemon website, Nintendo Direct or Corocoro.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 10:10, 1 June 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::Okay. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:25, 1 June 2018 (UTC) | |||