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==Third versions==
By the definition of remake in the article, wouldn't the third versions be considered remakes? [[User:Turtwig A|<font color="#CD7F32">Turtwig's</font>]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|<font color="#FF7F00">A-B-Cs</font>]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|<font color="#green">talk</font>]] |  [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|<font color="#yellow">contribs</font>]]) 21:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
:^ It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 00:46, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

==Speculation section==
Do we really need it? It is all speculation, and I could dismiss half of it. Sure, it's tagged as speculation, but it doesn't make it fine to put in the article. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:33, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
:Or it can be moved to an article of its own like the GS remake one. There are evidences of it, somewhat like shipping. <span style="font-family:Cracked; font-size:125%"><sup>[[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|<span style="color:#303030;">tc</span>]]</sup>[[User:Tc26|<span style="color:#e03828;">²₆</span>]][[User talk:Tc26|<span style="color:#303030;">tc</span>]]<sub>[[User:Tc26/Sandbox|<span style="color:#e03828;">26</span>]]</sub></span> 11:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
::I thought that got deleted because we didn't want an article full of just speculation. I think this kind of thing is best suited for the forums. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sinnoh League Ground ==

It is worth mentioning that in Platinum in Sinnoh League building there is a ground with a red outer side, blue inner side and green-like moving lines (which could reference to R/S/E colors) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 21:28, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think that's notable enough to be mentioned in the article. I'd say it's just pure coincidence. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 00:22, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

== Prefix ==

From what I've noticed, remakes have some sort of prefix at the begining
<br>'''Heart'''Gold
<br>'''Soul'''Silver
<br>'''Fire'''Red
<br>'''Leaf'''Green
<br>Should this be noted? [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]] 16:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's not really that interesting. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|<span style="color:orange">SuperAipom7</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|<span style="color:blue">Questions?</span>]])''</small> 16:26, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
::So? {{unsigned|Pgj1997}}

== So-called evidence ==

A lot of the 'evidence' in the Speculation section seems really unneccesary. What does bringing back ocean currents, an area with a sandstorm, or  Ash's party in DP189, have anything to do with a possible remake? I think the section needs trimming. <small><small>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span></small></small>[[Pikachu (Pokémon)|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''⚡''']]</span> 20:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
:^ Ocean currents and sandstorms were introduced in Gen III and Ash used some of his Hoenn Pokémon in that episode. That is why they were added. I'm not saying they are the best piece of evidence, just saying why they were added. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 20:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
::I know, but they are not the same as, for example, Johto being coded in as a trade location, or Dawn traveling to Hoenn after SS024, opening the possibility of an anime reappearance for Hoenn. I guess they would have to re-code the ocean currents and the sandstorms back into the game, so thats fine, but as for DP189, thats from the Gen IV series, if Ash were to recall his Hoenn Pokemon in the Best Wishes series it would be notable. And a hiddden note next to it actually states that he only has three AG Pokemon on his team not including Pikachu (Sceptile, Swellow, Torkoal), Pikachu is what makes it "most of his team". Regarding some other points:
* ''The sixth Gym Leader of Unova, [[Skyla]], is a Flying-type specialist and lives near a rainy area, like [[Winona]] from Hoenn and both are the sixth Gym Leader in their respective regions.''
::Like Winona and Skyla, Pryce, Candice and Brycen are Ice-type gym leaders #7, but it doesnt mean that HeartGold/SoulSilver and Diamond/Pearl will get remakes.
* ''A fossil depicting an {{p|Armaldo}} in the [[Nacrene City]] museum.''
::Dragonite has a far more notable appearance, but it doesnt mean that they will remake FireRed/LeafGreen. And Armaldo is not unobtainable in BW.
* ''A {{tc|Backpacker}} in [[Desert Resort]] tells the player that he comes from Hoenn, and that he doesn't need the [[Go-Goggles]] here unlike in Hoenn.''
* ''In [[Undella Town]] during Summer, a boy tells the player that he and his family comes from Hoenn and visit Undella Town every Summer. A girl also mentions [[Steven Stone]]. ''
:: Random characters may mention Hoenn, but they also mention other regions. 
* ''No characters introduced in Generation III are reused in Black and White, unlike other generations which saw characters repeated in these games. [[Cynthia]], [[Looker]], [[Caitlin]], and a former {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} were introduced before they appeared in Black and White.'' 
::This is actually evidence against a remake, Jasmine appeared in DP, and her games got a remake.
* ''The introduction of {{p|Maractus|another}} {{p|Cacnea|cactus}}-{{p|Cacturne|based}} Pokémon.''
:It also introduced another {{p|Bouffalant|bull}}-{{p|Tauros|based}} {{p|Miltank|Pokémon}}, {{p|Drilbur|mole}}-{{p|Diglett|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Baoppu|fire}} {{p|Hihidaruma|ape}}-{{p|Chimchar|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Munna|baku}}-{{p|Drowzee|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Zebraika|horse}}-{{p|Ponyta|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Koromori|bat}}-{{p|Zubat|based}} {{p|Gliscor|Pokémon}}, {{p|Dokkora|Machop}}-{{p|Machop|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Tympole|tadpole}}-{{p|Poliwag|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Nageki|Hit}}{{p|Dageki|mon}}-{{p|Hitmonlee|based}} {{p|Hitmonchan|Pokémon}}, {{p|Cottonee|cotton plant}}-{{p|Hoppip|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Lilligant|feminine, rafflesia}}-{{p|Bellossom|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Archen|fossil prehistoric bird}}-{{p|Aerodactyl|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Zoroark|kitsune}}-{{p|Ninetales|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Foongus|fungi}}-{{p|Shuckle|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Frillish|Jellyfish}}-{{p|Tentacool|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Galvantula|spider}}-{{p|Ariados|based}} Pokémon, {{p|Kumasyun|bear}}-{{p|Teddiursa|based}} Pokémon.
:<small><small>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span></small></small>[[Pikachu (Pokémon)|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''⚡''']]</span> 23:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I trimmed down the article and removed many unnecessary facts. Some of the facts that you removed were worth keeping. You don't hear anyone else mentioning [[Champion]] [[Lance]] of the [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] regions, do you? And having Dive return as a [[HM]], a large desert, The Riches Family (which is battled in the same way as Winstrates), ocean currents, language on walls (which wasn't present anywhere in [[Sinnoh]]), etc. is all there so that the programmers won't have to make much changes to the engine of Black and White for the remakes of Ruby and Sapphire. The same thing happened in [[Generation IV]]. [[HeartGold and SoulSilver]] were modified heavily off of [[Pokémon Platinum]]'s game engine and there was a good amount of similarities between [[Johto]] and [[Sinnoh]] ([[Jasmine]]'s appearance, [[Gym Leader]] line-up, interaction with trees, etc.). --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:20, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:Okay, I have trimmed down it again, and I will list my reasons here. There are just as many Sinnoh Pokémon only available via the Dream World or Poké Transfer as Hoenn ones; therefore, it is meaningless. Nobody mentions Lance, but someone does mention Cynthia; in fact, she appears there. Most likely, nobody mentions Lance because they haven't decided whether he will be Champion at this time. Currents also appeared in FRLG. There is a sandstorm area in Sinnoh too; sure, it is post-Elite Four, but that shouldn't mean anything. You can draw a tonne of parallels between Gym Leaders (7th Gym Ice anyone?), but none of them even come close to hinting a remake. No previous NPCs at all appeared in RS (both Gen I and II NPCs were absent); this is not the case in Black and White, and this is not what happened in DPPt. Yes, because not mentioning Team Aqua and Magma means that they can screw the storyline over and retcon it into another time period over 3 years later (presentably 3 years + the age of TR Grunt's son + 9 months). If they wanted to put Hoenn at the same time as Unova, they would have put Unova in Hoenn's time. Hoenn certainly isn't the only region with a Safari Ball, and they had no issue programming in capture animations for the Apricorn Balls and Sport Ball in HGSS.
:There are a few other things that I still think are non-hints—Go-Goggles mention, The Riches, reference to Hoenn in Undella Town, having two rivals, Armoldo fossil—but I have left them anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

==Should this be added?==

*[[Bianca]] and {{ga|May}}/{{ga|Brendan}} both give out the [[Dowsing MCHN]] and [[HM02]]. Coincidentally, both items are obtained after defeating the second and fifth gyms of the region.

Probably not because it is just coincidental. Just wanted to ask before adding it and getting in trouble. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 17:55, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

== Recent Developments from Junichi Masuda's Twitter Account ==

I'm still learning the ropes here, so I really don't know how to add this new development to the page. This development was covered by Bulbanews, which in turn got its information direct from Masuda's twitter feed. http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Masuda_replies_to_tweet_regarding_remakes_of_Generation_III_games --[[User:Marilynasol|Marilynasol]] 15:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:Actually, it's already there on the right-hand side of the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 00:20, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== Notable? ==

I noticed that while Pokémon most Pokémon from the original four regions other than Hoenn retain sprites from one of older games (with not so many Pokémon having different sprites, like {{p|Ampharos}}. On other side, some have bigger changes than just pose, like eg. {{p|Phanpy}} or {{p|Donphan}}), many (if not all) of Hoenn Pokémon got their sprites visibly updated in B/W (not just poses but also colors, visible on eg. {{p|Grovyle}}, {{p|Regice}} or {{p|Combusken}}) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 19:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:That's likely because the Hoenn Pokémon were the only Pokémon to ''not'' get their sprites updated at all in the 4th gen. Doubt it has anything at all to do with a remake. - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 19:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
::Except {{p|Registeel}}. inb4 Nazi Salute. Every other Hoenn mon had one Gen IV sprite, it was the same through DPPtHGSS. Before I got Internet, I though that sprites from R/S are how they should look. Now I know they're not (inb4 Grovyle with {{tt|blue|WTF? At least Treecko and Sceptile have green-a-like leaves, while Grovyle had obvious BLUE leaves}} leaves and Seedot with gray/grey "hat"). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)