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Hey guys, should I put this in the article? | Hey guys, should I put this in the article? | ||
*'''Pokémon Card GB2 Fan Translations''' | *'''Pokémon Card GB2 Fan Translations''' | ||
*The game [[Pokémon Card | *The game [[Pokémon Trading Card Game 2: The Invasion of Team GR!]] is an official game based off the Pokémon [[TCG]], but it has never received an official translation. A number of fan-made translations of varying quality have thus surfaced | ||
*--[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 04:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC) | *--[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 04:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC) | ||
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==PokéMon Arcoiris Version== | ==PokéMon Arcoiris Version== | ||
Well i just recently bought a game called Pokémon Arcoris (still dont got it tho, its in mail) and im supprised its not here already. Its pretty cool and you can catch Shadow Lugia, it allows you to be Misty or Ash for characters and your starter is Pikachu. Its based on the orange islands, and is a hack of Emerald/Ruby/Sapphire. MUCH MORE INFO SOON WHEN I GOT IT.[[User:Rsrdaman]] | Well i just recently bought a game called Pokémon Arcoris (still dont got it tho, its in mail) and im supprised its not here already. Its pretty cool and you can catch Shadow Lugia, it allows you to be Misty or Ash for characters and your starter is Pikachu. Its based on the orange islands, and is a hack of Emerald/Ruby/Sapphire. MUCH MORE INFO SOON WHEN I GOT IT.[[User:Rsrdaman]] | ||
:@[[User:Rsrdaman]]:Arco-Íris means rainbow in Portuguese.[[User:DigoBlaze12|DigoBlaze12]] ([[User talk:DigoBlaze12|talk]]) 20:47, 29 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
==Emerald 386 and FireRed Omega?== | ==Emerald 386 and FireRed Omega?== | ||
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I think that this is notable because it is the first time as far as I know that a game is being translated into another language as a community effort and is being documented fairly well. They're releasing trailers on YouTube and so on, so I think it's pretty thoroughly done. If there are any more instances where a community has been translating a game into their language for over a year and has been releasing trailers showcasing their progress please do let me know. Also this article just includes language hacks as a section describing this kind of hack as mostly poorly done, so I thought that "oh this is a hack that seems to actualy be very good translated maybe I'll add it" and I did. I do can also agree if you think that we'll have to wait to see how good translated it is before adding it to the article. Because if it is bad it'll fall into the general description this article paints of language hacks. But on the other hand if it's good I actualy think it needs to be included. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 23:29, 24 December 2016 (UTC) | I think that this is notable because it is the first time as far as I know that a game is being translated into another language as a community effort and is being documented fairly well. They're releasing trailers on YouTube and so on, so I think it's pretty thoroughly done. If there are any more instances where a community has been translating a game into their language for over a year and has been releasing trailers showcasing their progress please do let me know. Also this article just includes language hacks as a section describing this kind of hack as mostly poorly done, so I thought that "oh this is a hack that seems to actualy be very good translated maybe I'll add it" and I did. I do can also agree if you think that we'll have to wait to see how good translated it is before adding it to the article. Because if it is bad it'll fall into the general description this article paints of language hacks. But on the other hand if it's good I actualy think it needs to be included. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 23:29, 24 December 2016 (UTC) | ||
:Well, the Pokémon games were fan translated from Japanese to English in the DS era. | :Well, the Pokémon games were fan translated from Japanese to English in the DS era.--[[User:PannenkoekenNL|PannenkoekenNL]] ([[User talk:PannenkoekenNL|talk]]) 06:01, 25 December 2016 (UTC) | ||
==Notable Hacks== | |||
There are 3 notable hacks that I think that should be here: Pokémon Sienna, Pokémon Light Platinum and Pokémon Clover: | |||
Pokémon Sienna is notable for including a dex composed by fan-made and official Pokémon, and it was being developed for over 6 years. | |||
Light Platinum is notable for recreating a Pokémon Gen IV style using a Gen III engine, as well as having a full Gen IV Pokédex and a new story behind [[Palkia]], [[Dialga]], [[Giratina]] and [[Arceus]]. It' s also has some characters from the Anime. | |||
Clover is a hack of Pkmn Fire Red. It still uses the Kanto region, but replaces the current Pokémon with fan-made Pokémon, often with grotesque, obscene and humorous characteristics, having the famous Tentaquil meme among them. The ROM Hack' s Team is also creating a fan-game, based on it called DubsClover or NiClover. | |||
Am I allowed to put them?'''-[[User:DigoBlaze12|DigoBlaze12]] ([[User talk:DigoBlaze12|talk]]) 20:52, 29 January 2017 (UTC)''' | |||
:I think they may need some further justification. The proposed guidelines were: | |||
* It is of cultural or historical significance. | |||
* It is relatively well know. | |||
* It demonstrates a notable feature or features that is represented in the large number of hacks that followed. | |||
* It is a significant step forward in terms of hack development as a whole. | |||
:I think only if you can reasonably show that these proposed hacks fit most of these categories you can include them. It could be argued, for example, that Light Platinum could fit point 1 or 2 (you would have to justify this of course). I also feel it necessary to point out that these are notable hacks, not famous hacks. They key difference being this is designed to be an information article giving examples of the range of hacks, how hacking evolved over its history, how sophisticated it is and give an insight into its culture and development process, rather than being a hack hall of fame. --[[User:Kip|<span style="color:#f29c6b">'''K'''</span><span style ="color:#5fc2d9">'''i'''</span><span style="color:#f29c6b">'''p'''</span>]] | [[User_talk:Kip|Talk]] 23:48, 26 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Delete == | |||
The subject of the article is illegal and non notable in my opinion. I think it should be deleted. However, I am no admin, so I am not sure if I can actually tag. Also, maybe my reasoning is faulty[[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 17:51, 19 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
:I believe the article is fine as it is, the webmasters have also made edit on this page in the past (mainly to remove content they did not feel was notable enough). This article would warrant deletion if it were to actually be linking and detailing how to acquire these rom hacks and bootlegs and noting how to mod the games. Thankfully there are hidden notes on the page that do NOTE that those types of edits and adding that type of information is not allowed. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 11:55, 9 June 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Cease and Desist games == | |||
Should the games Nintendo and Game Freak had to personally shut down be considered for this list (those being the Rijon games and Uranium) | |||
Let's start with the Rijon-based Pokémon games (Brown, rijonAdventures, and Prism)? Based on the criteria established: | |||
* ''It is of cultural or historical significance''. Brown was one of the first ROM hacks that felt like an actual Pokémon game, and was considered the genesis of ROM hacking. This fact is even stated in the article. | |||
* ''It is relatively well know''. I would certainly say so, with numerous Let's Plays and sites such as Kotaku covering Prism's shut down. | |||
* ''It demonstrates a notable feature or features that is represented in the large number of hacks that followed''. See above. | |||
* ''It is a significant step forward in terms of hack development as a whole''. See above. | |||
I would say the Rijon games should definitely go in. Sadly, I'm not as well versed with Uranium, so I can't say much, other than it is definitely well known, with its long development time, several Let's Plays, and new Fakemon. I just wanted to know if there was any legal reason they weren't given their own sections in the first place before I added them.[[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 03:41, 27 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
:I'm personally not all that familiar with these games, but I certainly agree that Brown should be on there. It's even mentioned in the wiki article... just not on the list. [[User:Dannyjenn|D]] ([[User talk:Dannyjenn|talk]]) 12:41, 12 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:Also, wasn't ''Prism'' the first hack to receive a 'cease and desist' letter from Nintendo? I think that's pretty noteworthy. Or did Nintendo send out these sorts of letters to other hacks in the past? [[User:Dannyjenn|D]] ([[User talk:Dannyjenn|talk]]) 14:39, 12 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Several things == | |||
1. "''Another noteworthy feature is the development of the UPS format, which allows the expansion of Game Boy Advance ROM hacks from their original 16MB format to 32MB.''" Is this correct? I don't know much about 'UPS', but I'm under the impression that it's a patch format (like IPS). If so, the GBA games could have been modified in that way even without UPS, so I don't get what it's saying exactly. | |||
2. "''the ROM hacking community generally considers these more as "bootlegs" rather than ROM hacks.''" This doesn't sound correct, and I think the distinction is a bit arbitrary. I don't think anyone in the hacking community would deny that these particular bootleg games are 'ROM hacks'. I think what should be said here is that these hacks were made by pirates, not by Pokemon fans of the ROM hacking community. (Although in some cases the games ''were'' made by the hacking community, and then afterwards stolen by pirates and flashed onto bootleg carts.) | |||
3. The 'Legality' section needs to be expanded. I don't have any suggestions at the moment... all I can say is that depending on how the hacking is done, it's sometimes illegal but other times is probably legal (despite Nintendo's being against it). | |||
4. I'd recommend adding the following hacks (mostly gen 1) to the list: | |||
* '''''The World Famous Talking Cactus Version''''' by Phillip Rueben in the gen 1 days. This was not really a complete game but more of a demo. It was distributed as an IPS file (to be patched to ''Red Version'') along with the tool Pokémap, which was the first tool to allow for easy map editing in the gen 1 games. ''It is of cultural or historical significance?'' Yes, due to its association with Pokémap. ''It is relatively well known?'' I'd think so. Maybe not so much anymore, but it ''was'' well known back in its day (and might still be well known among gen 1 hackers). It even spawned two unofficial sequels (a ''Gold Version'' hack called ''WT? World Famous Talking Cactus!'' and a ''Red Version'' hack called ''Talking Cactus 3: Matty-Os Drift'') ''It demonstrates a notable feature or features that is represented in the large number of hacks that followed?'' Yes - this was the first game to my knowledge (even before ''Brown'') in which the map was significantly altered. It was also the first game in which gameplay mechanics were heavily altered (e.g. no Pokémon, no battles, etc.). ''It is a significant step forward in terms of hack development as a whole?'' Yes, insofar as it was a demo of Pokémap. | |||
* '''''Brown''''' by Koolboyman - see the discussion in the previous poster's section, above | |||
* '''''Pokémon CreepyBlack Version''''' - I don't know who made this, but it was a ROM hack of ''FireRed'', inspired by the fictional ROM hack from the creepypasta. The battle/pokedex sprites were all replaced with gen1 sprites and the White Hand was added and there were probably other changes (I don't know, I never played it myself). ''It is of cultural or historical significance.'' Yes. Pokemon creepypastas were extremely popular at that time, and some imaginative fans wanted to bring those creepypasta games to life by making YouTube videos and ROM hacks. This hack is an excellent example of that, and perhaps the most well known creepypasta-inspired hack. ''It is relatively well know.'' Probably. The creepypasta itself is well known, and if you search YouTube for it you'll come across videos of this ROM hack. (I think there might also be a gen 1 hack, but this gen 3 seems more well known) ''It demonstrates a notable feature or features that is represented in the large number of hacks that followed.'' Not really. ''It is a significant step forward in terms of hack development as a whole.'' No. | |||
* '''''Monster Go! Go! Go!''''' - This was a bootleg cartridge in the gen1 days. It was a hack of some ''Smurfs'' game for GBC I think. I personally don't know much about it, but it's just as notable as ''Pokémon Diamond and Jade'' (it often appeared alongside them on news sites back in the early '00s). And I'd say it's far more notable than ''Pokémon Adventure''. | |||
* '''''Pokémon Green Version''''' - I don't know who made it... I think it was originally made by some fan of the hackjng community, but pirates later took it and flashed onto cheap green-colored cartridges. (This one has good English because it's mostly a graphics hack of English Blue Version, not a translation hack of Japanese Green Version.) I'd say it's notable solely because of how widespread it is. Few other ROM hack bootlegs can be found so easily on eBay. (Perhaps it should be documented here, and also on the [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions]] page, in order to warn newer fans not to purchase it.) | |||
[[User:Dannyjenn|D]] ([[User talk:Dannyjenn|talk]]) 14:35, 12 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Reference to Pokemon Uranium? == | |||
Pokemon Uranium should be referenced to in the article, as it was a very popular hack, until Nintendo shut it down in August 2016. It included new Fakemon, a new story, and new types. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Uranium]{{unsigned|PapaBalloon1234}} | |||
:Uranium isn't a ROM hack. It's a fangame. Big difference. | |||
:That being said, I think a section on Prism would be warranted for a similar reason. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 20:58, 5 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Pokemon Vietnamese Crystal == | |||
While being a Rom hack, or a bootleg game, either way it has enough content to earn it's own page, as long as Rom hacks aren't prohibited from getting their own page anyway. While the same could be said for most others, such as Pokemon Fire Red Omega, Vietnamese Crystal has lots more to talk about. -[[User:Vulchar19|Vulchar79]] [[User_talk:Vulchar79|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Vulchar79|Contribs]] | |||
== Unbound: notable? == | |||
Playing through Pokémon Unbound, it's certainly notable in its own right- but should it be put here? | |||
Takes place in a new region, with new characters and a new story, with new music and mechanics, but does not include Fakemon | |||
https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=382178 | |||
[[User:Hyphae|Hyphae]] ([[User talk:Hyphae|talk]]) 02:59, 12 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Move == | |||
Per the manual of style, this should be moved to '''ROM hack''', as it refers to a specific group, and does not refer to a group named "ROM hacks". [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#00d1bc">'''Land'''</span>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#006699"><small>'''fish7'''</small></span>]] 20:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
== "Legality" == | |||
If the article isn't going into the arguments for or against legality and is just saying Nintendo's stance on the matter, then the section should be removed and merged with the lede. [[User:Biblical Bambi|Biblical Bambi]] ([[User talk:Biblical Bambi|talk]]) 01:54, 14 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
:We're an English-language wiki, and Nintendo's stance is flagrantly inaccurate to the laws of any ''English-speaking'' country. The section being called "Legality" gives off some false impressions to the majority of our readers, so it would make a lot of sense to remove it. (Also, one of the two citations has nothing to do with Pokémon or ROM hacking whatsoever, and Techdirt is probably not the best source for that matter even had it been relevant.) [[User:Bwburke94|bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 03:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
::For now, I've tweaked the title and added a cleanup notice. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#00d1bc">'''Land'''</span>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#006699"><small>'''fish7'''</small></span>]] 04:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Should Pokémblem be noted in this page? == | |||
Given that it’s a romhack of {{few|Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones}} using Pokémon as units, almost as if Fire Emblem and Pokémon had a crossover. [[User:Pikmin3WiiU|<span style="color:green">Pikmin 3</span>]] [[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|<span style="color:purple">Wii U</span>]] 03:49, 20 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
:I don't think that's necessary, but we have a section for bootlegs and this concept is rather similar. [[User:Bwburke94|bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 21:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Isn’t a bootleg designed to trick players into thinking it is official for monetary gain, which is what Pokémblem '''does not do'''? [[User:Pikmin3WiiU|<span style="color:green">Pikmin 3</span>]] [[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|<span style="color:purple">Wii U</span>]] 13:39, 23 August 2023 (UTC) | |||