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 [http://www.betaarchive.co.uk/imageupload/1286203597.or.3711.jpg] <- This seems to have the earlier beta names than what is included in the page. Keep in mind, though, that they all have a 7-character limit. It seems that they hadn't yet expanded the names. You can see a lot of the betas are similar, but there are quite a few that aren't listed. Some are impossible to make out, because they are only 7-characters... Exeggcute for example. Should this be considered and potentially added to the article? [[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 21:42, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 :Cannot see. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
+::This works: [http://www.betaarchive.com/imageupload/1286203597.or.3711.jpg] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 19:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
+:::That one doesn't work as well. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#00AF33;">'''☆'''</span>]][[User:CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#0098d9;">'''Cool'''</span>]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#F8D030;">'''Pikachu!'''</span>]] 19:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
+::::Odd, it did a while ago. Well the original thread it was posted on is here: [http://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=8356] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 23:27, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
+:::::[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Generation_I_prototype_English_names.jpg I've uploaded the poster to the Archives.] [[User:Soincfunt|Soincfunt]] 15:23, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
+== 190 pokemon were originally planned ==
+since last year we know that originally there were 190 pokemon planned for Red and green, http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78267 , I think that's something important that should be noted at least in this article. [[User:Gwonam|Gwonam]] 17:50, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
+== Pokémon Red, Green, and Blue beta. ==
+I think that we ''should'' move it to this title. We definately need to make a decision, because we can't just leave that tag there forever. I believe that we should move it, as there are parts of this article that only encompass Red and Green, while other parts include information on the international Red and Blue. [[User:Samjohn95|<font color="Blue">Sam</font>]][[User talk:Samjohn95|<font color="Purple">john</font>]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|<font color="Teal">95</font>]] 17:05, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
+*I think we should either rename it to "Generation I betas" or split it into "Red and Green beta" and "Red and Blue (International) beta". The latter makes more sense, as the games were technically finished already when Red and Blue were being translated into English. [[User:FSX|FSX]] ([[User talk:FSX|talk]]) 17:28, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
+==Female character==
+Is there any evidence of a playable female character besides that picture?  Because that picture could be anything... how is anyone to know that the girl in that picture was originally planned to be a playable female character?  It just looks to me like a pointless illustration, not as some concept that was ever intended to be included in the game.
+From a programming standpoint, I have no idea why such a concept would be thrown out.  All it would take would be one extra boolean variable, 2 extra sets of sprites (one for the girl and the other for the girl on a bike), and 2 battle sprites (her back view and her as the opponent).  It's nothing the game wouldn't have been able to handle, seeing as there's so much extra stuff in Pokémon Yellow Version that obviously takes up more space than a playable female character would.  The only reason to not include something like that would be due to complete laziness in not wanting to draw an extra few sprites. [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 20:53, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
+:If it was that easy we probably would have gotten the girl female player in GS rather than in Crystal, since Kris would likely have been designed by then. It's true that the girl in that artwork might not have been meant to be a female PC, but since she's shown with the male PC and rival, I'm not sure what else she could have been. Why have art with two important characters and some random other person? That piece of art isn't the only one with her in it, either- there's a comic somewhere around here with those three characters. Not sure what happened to it, though. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 22:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
+::She didn't have to be another playable character though... perhaps she was intended to be a second rival (like how it is in Black / White).  And it's always possible that she may not have been important at all... unimportant characters have been used in the anime before.  For example, there were two other trainers from Pallet that served no purpose other than to take the other starter Pokémon, ensuring that Ash started off with Pikachu.  Also, in the introduction there's some Lass included who isn't important, even though all the other people shown are main characters.
+::And I think that programming her ''would'' be "that easy"... which is kind of my point.  I think that the reason that the girl isn't available in Red / Green / Blue / Yellow / Gold / Silver is because they didn't even come up with the idea until Crystal, which I think makes a lot more sense than saying that it was because it was too hard to progam (which I know it wasn't), that there wasn't enough space on the cartidge (which I know that there was), or just that the developers were to lazy to do so (which is unlikely). [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 00:39, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
+:::Yeah. I don't think there is any real evidence to show that she was supposed to be a playable character. There might be evidence in some Japanese interviews, or we could try asking [[Ken Sugimori]] himself [https://twitter.com/#!/super_32x via] Twitter... I think that we should probably change it to say something like "unknown female character". Some could speculate [[a:File:Latias Blaziken.jpg|this character]] to be an early version of [[May]] (she also appeared in some [[a:File:Latias Latios.png|promotional artwork]] for the game) but there's no evidence to support that as far as I'm aware.
+:::I think she probably had at least some significance, given how [[Green (Adventures)|Green]] and [[Leaf (game)|Leaf]]'s (who did become a playable character) designs are based on her. The female character appears again in a [[a:File:Capsule Monsters Hotel.jpg|sketch]] from a page from one of Game Freak's books called [http://web.me.com/celebi23/Capsule_Monsters/Books.html Satoshi Tajiri: A Man Who Created Pokémon]. Unfortunately, I don't own the book and don't know if it says anything significant about her. A similar character appears in a book on how to make Pokémon origami, but the manga sections are illustrated by Emiko Yoshino, not Ken Sugimori. (according to {{user|Bluesun}}). --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 20:48, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
+:::: Well, personally I think she looks more like the [[Lass (Trainer class)]] than anything else. I may be wrong, but... [[User:JacobTheDoduo|JacobTheDoduo]] 04:22, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
+==Beta names==
+Does anyone know why the beta names on the poster are at most 7 characters long, while the ones on the list don't seem to have that limit?  Where does the information on that list come from anyway... from the looks of things, one of three things happened.
+- The names on the list came first... then a 7 character limit was decided on, and so the names were all shortened (as seen on the poster)
+- The names on the poster came first (with an assumed 7 character limit) and then when the limit was raised to 10 the names were changed to the ones on the list
+- That third poster isn't "official" and used some weird abbreviated form of their names for some reason
+With the exception of that last possibility, it appears that there was once going to be a 7 character limit on Pokémon names, which I think is worthy of some mention in the article.  I also find it interesting that the limit is 7... which is the exact same limit as the character limit on the player's name.  Although this could just be coincedence... maybe the name is limited to 7 characters because the word "Pokédex" is 7 characters long and fits nicely in the Start menu. [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 03:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
+==Miscellaneous Pokemon Coding Talk==
+[http://lparchive.org/Pokemon-Blue/code.html Lets Break PKMN Blue Thread Bits]
+This page is a text archive of a SomethingAwful Forums thread that was discussing Pokemon Blue's code. The user Doug Dinsdale is [[Nob_Ogasawara|Nob Ogasawara]] and he discusses many things like Mr.Mime and Pikablu. I thought this might be of use to the Bulbapedia community.
+[[User:Dehry|Dehry]] 06:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
+== Extra location accessible via Fly ==
+[[File:Capsule Monsters map.jpg|left|thumb]]
+according to this old map, there is a city below celadon city. should this be mentioned? it might possibility be the extra location for the fly data.
+should we also mentioned the unused in-game trade data? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 08:32, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
+{{-}}
+== New move proposal ==
+See [[Talk:Beta Pokémon games#Move proposal]] and the previous discussion. [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 23:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
+== sprite ==
+as shown in [http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?587796-Beta-Pocket-Monsters-Blue-(Aka-Red-amp-Blue)-Sprites this image], the sprites are different. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 04:37, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
+== New page title. ==
+The template that suggests that this article must be moved to ''Development leftovers of Pokémon Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow'' is wrong. There is:
+{| style="margin:auto; background: #FAFFF4; border: 2px solid #{{flying color}}; width: 75%;{{roundy|30px}}"
+|-
+| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; padding: 10px; text-align:center; {{roundy|50px}}" width=50px | [[File:018Pidgeot.png|50px]]
+| '''It has been suggested that this article be moved to {{red link|Development leftovers of Pokémon Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow}}.'''<br>Please discuss whether or not to move it on its <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{TALKPAGENAME:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}} talk page]</span>.
+|}
+But there should be:
+{| style="margin:auto; background: #FAFFF4; border: 2px solid #{{flying color}}; width: 75%;{{roundy|30px}}"
+|-
+| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; padding: 10px; text-align:center; {{roundy|50px}}" width=50px | [[File:018Pidgeot.png|50px]]
+| '''It has been suggested that this article be moved to {{red link|Development leftovers of Pokémon Red, Green and Blue}}.'''<br>Please discuss whether or not to move it on its <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{TALKPAGENAME:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}} talk page]</span>.
+|}
+This is because the page about the Yellow beta version is separate from the main page. --[[User:TheICTLiker4|TheICTLiker4]] ([[User talk:TheICTLiker4|talk]]) 18:32, 12 March 2019 (UTC)