Talk:Pokémon Red and Green beta: Difference between revisions

I don't know about the picture, but I know that we don't use citations, so I'm totally erasing that citation.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|<font color="red">^X</font>]] 21:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

:We do know the female character was planned, we just need a picture. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

:: I already DID aknowledged that the "The BROCK" addition in the international versions as American-original, but that comes because of the different sentence structures in Japanese and English, where a pronoun isn't needed in Japanese but is in English, so, while still "original" material in the beta English releases, it derives from translation issues, and thus, my original point (which is that all the "changes" made in the international releases where made due to localization ) still stands and remains congruent. As I told a couple of times before, conseidering them separate games just for minor additions is not quite congruent, and going by this logic,  Japanese and International versions of HGSS must be considered different games too (and as such, get separate articles or the article be renamed into "Generation II remakes") just because one has a Game Corner and the other has Voltorb Flip -it just don't make sense. Had Red and Blue kept Blue's CONTENT features (version exclusives, in-game trades, removal of Missingno., et al) or introduced brand-new features like Yellow did, then yes, I'd say they are differeht games and that the article must be splitted into "RG beta" and "RB beta" or me renamed "Gen I Beta", but it wasn't the case. That's why to avoid confusion I suggested (and I feel honored that my suggetsion was put on the main article) instead to rename it "Red, Green and Blue beta", thus acknowledging the identity of Blue and Red and Blue, if not as separate games, at least as different revisions of the game deserving mention in the article's title. If you still want the distintion to be made, the article could have a "localization beta" sub-section and put there the Pokémon names and the "The Brock" thing. To make it shorter, adressing your specific question of "Are you also trying to suggest that added text (unused of course) (but not direct transliterations) aren't notable too Veggietable?", my answer is: "I'm not saying that is not notable, just that it's not enough notable to be considered A DIFFERENT GAME", after all, international releases OF EVERYTHING are changed, because according to context, we can't always get direct translation/transilteration -we instead get adaptations, and such, names or sentences might be added or removed. If we considered everything that is not A DIRECT TRANSLATION to be a different entity dererving its own article, then half of the Pokémon must be considered different from their Japanese counterparts (it's like saying "Lizardon is already an English word so it didn't need anything more than a romaji transilteration, but instead we got Charizard; since they have different names, then it's original content and thus they must be different Pokémon"). Its the same: International Green got its named changed into Blue and got some changes ("The BROCK") due to localization, but nothing more. The in-game trade refering to a Blue event I think was a slip from the localization team caused by the use of Blue's engine, but the actual trade was still that of Red and Green, that's why I still consider them Red and Green. [[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 23:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

==Should I include this?==

A tentative 'debug menu' can be accessed via the "Game Freak" screen. Only in Pokémon Yellow if the title screen is loaded with an invalid sound font a text box will appear below the "Game Freak" screen and the equivalent of the 'item obtained' sound will play, although the sound is only noticeable if the sound-font is quickly changed back to its usual default. The menu can be scrolled through, although the text is illegible and the only remaining option left for the player is to exit the menu. <ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AEI-ijQMBg Youtube video]</ref> <references/>--[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 18:15, 8 September 2010 (UTC)