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==Interwiki==
Don't forget the interwikis! <nowiki>[[de:Pokémon Omega Rubin und Alpha Saphir]] [[fr:Pokémon Rubis Oméga et Saphir Alpha]] [[it:Pokémon Rubino Omega e Zaffiro Alpha]]</nowiki> Btw... why you are protect all pages, that are related in any form with the new remakes? Sorry for my bad english, I'm from Germany... [[User:Tobutz98|Tobutz98]] ([[User talk:Tobutz98|talk]]) 19:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
: Pages related to any breaking news are generally protected to prevent wild speculation or misinformation from being added. I'm not sure if there's a specific place or way to request edits to locked pages, sadly. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 19:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
::The place to request edits for locked pages is on their talk page, or the talk page of a staff member. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 19:55, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

==Add Template==
I think it would be wise that one of the Admins put "Template:Upcoming notice" or a different template I could not find on this page because it is new unless I am wrong and this is not necessary because of the page protection. [[User:Dbeckelheimer6|Dbeckelheimer6]] ([[User talk:Dbeckelheimer6|talk]]) 21:30, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

==Edit suggestions==
* "<nowiki>are the secondary [[paired version]]s of [[Generation VI]]</nowiki>" implies that every subsequent generation has had "secondary paired versions" (a phrase that is being used to represent both remakes and sequels), which is incorrect. Why not just copy and customize the text from the intros of {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}} and {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}? 
* "Both games were revealed {{tt|during|in}} a worldwide announcement by the official Pokémon {{tt|websites,|remove comma}} on May 7, 2014. The paired versions will be released worldwide {{tt|during|in}} November 2014."
* Change "<nowiki>[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Pokémon Ruby and Pokémon Sapphire]]</nowiki>" to "<nowiki>{{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}</nowiki>" —<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="#fff">The</font>]]Very[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">Best</font>]]</span></font> 05:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:Hello, I have made some changes as you have requested. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 07:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks, trom. However, it says that November 2014 is the release ''date'', but I think this should say ''release period''. Also, "PAccording to the press release which announced the games" should be "According to the press release that announced the games". Some users seem to think that ''which'' can replace ''that'' in this instance because I see it often, but this is folly. For instance, the phrasing "The book, which I read last night, was exciting" must use ''which'' and not ''that'', while "The book that I read last night was exciting" is the opposite (but may also omit ''that'' entirely). —<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="#fff">The</font>]]Very[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">Best</font>]]</span></font> (UTC) 09:26, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Folly indeed. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 10:41, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

==Trailer Video==
Can an admin add this to the page??
{{youtubevid|ywGSON9tNq0|pokemon|Hoenn}}
<br>--<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:blue">Pika</span>]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:red">Tepig</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|<span style="color:green">999</span>]]✓</sc> 08:18, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:Done, although I dislike that template so I chose not to use it. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 10:41, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
::Don't mind me, but may I ask why you don't like that template ?? --<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:blue">Pika</span>]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:red">Tepig</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|<span style="color:green">999</span>]]✓</sc> 09:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

==Poké Transporter==
If these games use the Poké Transporter, like [[Pokémon X and Y|X and Y]], will it be worth noting that these are the first remakes to be compatible with the originals, if indirectly?
[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions]] → [[Pal Park]] → [[Generation IV]] → [[Poké Transfer]] → [[Generation V]] → [[Poké Transporter]] → [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]] | [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] ([[User talk:Glitchipedia|talk]]) 14:46, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:It is currently unknown if they will use the Poke Transporter. <!--Or is it?--> --<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:blue">Pika</span>]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:red">Tepig</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|<span style="color:green">999</span>]]✓</sc> 09:35, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
::That wasn't my question. I said ''if'' they do, will this be worth noting? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] ([[User talk:Glitchipedia|talk]]) 15:27, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even if they don't, they'll still be compatible with the originals via Poke Transporter to XY, then trade to ORAS. It's still speculative to say it yet, but as soon as either Poke Transporter or trade capability is revealed, I would think it'd be notable that they're the ''only'' ones (not just the first, since first is of debatable notability for some things). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:20, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
::::It's certainly worth noting in my opinion, but i also think that the admins should approve it. And @Pumpkinking, they are ''currently'' the only ones,but ''if'' in the future a remake of DP is announced, we'll have to change the wording. --<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:blue">Pika</span>]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:red">Tepig</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|<span style="color:green">999</span>]]✓</sc> 09:34, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Press Release Description==
The second paragraph "According to the press release that announced the games, the new titles will to take players through a dramatic story within a spectacular new world." should be changed to reflect that this is not a new game as "spectacular new world" implies.
The official website also gives a far more accurate description of the game http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-omega-ruby-and-pokemon-alpha-sapphire/
[[User:Luneth|Luneth]] ([[User talk:Luneth|talk]]) 15:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:So why don't we just delete the "new" in "a spectacular new world"? [[User:Snekradguy|Snekradguy]] ([[User talk:Snekradguy|talk]]) 16:03, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
::Modifying any quote typically makes the quote unusable. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 16:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:::It isn't really a quote because the video never mentions "a spectacular new world". Only "an epic new adventure" and "a dramatic new world". [[User:Snekradguy|Snekradguy]] ([[User talk:Snekradguy|talk]]) 19:01, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
::::[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby,_Pok%C3%A9mon_Alpha_Sapphire_announced It's a quote from the official press release.] [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:26, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::Can we at least put "an epic new adventure in a spectacular new world" in quotes? --[[User:KommanderAwesome|KommanderAwesome]] ([[User talk:KommanderAwesome|talk]]) 20:23, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::Not the way in your comment since that would be combining two quotes together.  The largest stretch I can see is, the games will take players on "an epic new adventure" to "a dramatic new world."  Still, I believe the wording on the article is the best so far.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

==New information from Serebii==
 
we should include this info from todays news: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml

"Following its reveal yesterday, there has been some question as to the actual content of Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire, as to whether they're remakes or new versions due to the wording of the announcement. During the Investor Briefing today, Satoru Iwata confirmed that Pokémon Omega Ruby & Pokémon Alpha Sapphire are full-remakes of the 2002 releases, Pokémon Ruby & Sapphire. We'll bring more on these games as it comes
Edit @ 15:38: The Japanese arm of The Pokémon Company sent out an e-mail to all Daisuki Club members which ends up pointing out the differences to Groudon & Kyogre on the box-art, stating that they're showcasing "never before seen Pokémon", the same terminology they used for Black & White Kyurem, as well as Mega Mewtwo Y upon their reveal, indicating that they are more than stylised artwork of the Pokémon. We'll bring more on this as it comes"

[[User:Pearlgamez|Pearlgamez]] ([[User talk:Pearlgamez|talk]]) 20:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:Serebii should not be used as a source. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 00:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
::I personally received that email and did not see any indication this was true. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 01:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

== Use of the word Remake ==

Should we really use the word "remake" quite yet?

I know from previous patterns, the naming of the games and all that points to remakes, but at this point in time they might just be sequels or new games entirely. They even mention a new world, and the guy who gives the idol mentions a new region, so this might not take place in Hoenn at all. 

I'm really just playing devil's advocate here, but we should watch the wording on the article for now. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:59, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
:You haven't followed the news, have you? They were [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140508/index.html confirmed] to be remakes yesterday. You should do your "homework" more often before you're posting questions.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 07:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

::I've been following the news since it broke, but every tweet and article just repackaged/re-tweeted the same info. 99% of every article I found on the subject of the remakes just quoted the blurb from the trailer. That article you linked to was the first OFFICIAL piece of news I've seen that gave details on the remakes. You can't expect to do biology homework if all the school has are math books.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 11:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
:::On the second thought, I was too harsh for you. Unlike what I thought, the link to the official statement has ''not'' been posted to almost any fan or official site; everyone just believes what Serebii says. Sorry about that.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 13:37, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Its ok, like Dawn always says, No Need To Worry. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:04, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

=='Oras' is the Lithuanian word for 'Weather'==
The name of the games is likely a play on the letters theme started with XY (ie. the Greek letters 'Α' and 'Ω'), and the Lithuanian word for weather, [https://translate.google.com/#en/lt/weather Oras] -- weather being one of the prominent elements of RSE. Sounds like a interesting fact to add to the Trivia section. --[[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash Pokemaster]] ([[User talk:Ash Pokemaster|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

:It could also be a reference to the phrase "I am the Alpha and the Omega" in the Book of Revelation. Usually the phrase refers to Christ or God and typically is taken as meaning "I am the Beginning and the End". Possibly a hint that the story could involve Pokemon gods in some way. Interesting to note that Arceus is the 'Alpha' Pokemon according to the Pokedex and is the closest thing to a Pokemon 'God' we've seen as it was supposedly the creator of the Pokemon world. Perhaps we might see the 'Omega' Pokemon, or in other words, the 'End' or destroyer. (Basically the Pokemon Satan) - [[User:PsychoP|PsychoP]] ([[User talk:PsychoP|talk]]) 18:01, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::We don't know what's going to happen in the games and this isn't the place for speculation. And no. That would require them making an actual new Pokemon, which won't happen in a remake. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 18:19, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==No evident that Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are in the Generation VI==
We should at least wait for the announcement of cross-game communication of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire to be sure if they are indeed Generation VI. And according to this:
:"A generation, in terms of the Pokémon franchise, is a subset of the series that debuted or is set around the same time, focusing on the same region, and featuring the same Pokémon."
I don't think they are Generation VI at all if we go by this definition. We should probably change that. Besides, Generations may be separated by their methods of inter-game communications. I don't think, currently, there is anything we can say about battling or sending Pokemon from or to these games from or to X and Y. 

Originally posted in [[Talk:Generation]] by [[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 06:55, 8 May 2014 (UTC).
Moved here by [[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 09:48, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
:It's totally safe to assume that Hoenn remakes aren't introducing a new generation, especially when there are lots of unreleased Gen VI stuff and the XY anime series isn't even in the halfway.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 10:19, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
::It is safe, but an encyclopaedia is obligated to only display information that is evidental. I won't have a problem if we put up "probably" or "highly speculated" instead of "part of". -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 12:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
:::It's obviously generation VI. That is a guaranteed fact. Sure, it hasn't been stated, but it doesn't need to be stated. Generation VI is the current generation. Each generation starts with a brand new game in a brand new region with brand new Pokémon. It won't start with a remake. It's only logical that this is a Generation VI game. Also, it's being released on the same generation console as other Gen VI games which further backs up this point. It's Gen VI and although it hasn't been stated, there is enough evidence to make that claim. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:36, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
::::That way, we will have to refine our definitions of a generation. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 12:52, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
::::: In my honest opinion (although everyones views are different as I can see on here lol) but until Nintendo/GameFreak/Pokemon says it's NOT part of Generation VI, it should be considered Generation VI games until further notice, and also, a lot of clues and hints in Pokemon X and Y further hinted that Pokemon Ruby & Sapphire would be remade, so it makes sense (to me anyways), but also Generation VI is not completed yet (that we know of) as we have seen in all other generations that either a 3rd game (Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum) or in the case of Generation V (Black 2 and White 2) were released to complete a Generation. And just like Generation III we had Ruby & Sapphire release first followed by FireRed & LeafGreen then Emerald, then in Generation IV we had Diamond, Pearl, Platinum then followed by HeartGold & SoulSilver. So far it seems that Generation VI is following the pattern of Generation III (so far, that is). But mind you, thats just my opinion, but like I said at the start of my "rant" (lol) until Nintendo/GameFreak/Pokemon says it's NOT part of Generation VI, it should still be considered Generation VI until further notice. Demers-Vachon 10:44, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

:::I agree. They never start a generation with remakes. They only start a generation with a new region full of new Pokémon. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire would more likely focus on the Generation III Pokémon than to introduce new ones. In FireRed and LeafGreen, you only met the original 150 Pokémon before getting the National Pokédex to catch Johto Pokémon and trade with Hoenn for the then-current Pokémon. FireRed LeafGreen didn't introduce any new Pokémon. They only brought back the classic Pokémon. HeartGold and SoulSilver did tweak the Johto Pokédex a bit to include five Gen IV evolutions that resulted from moves (although, I don't get why they didn't just put a move tutor in Kanto.) So HeartGold and SoulSilver didn't introduce any Pokémon. And X and Y had just came out last October. That was only 7 months ago, so if Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire started Generation VII, Gen 6 would be the shortest generation ever. The possibility of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire starting a new generation is slim. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 11:16, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

:::::I agree that these should be considered Generation VI, at least until we discover otherwise. While it is possible that we may get a new generation, the odds are incredibly small. Additionally, Pokémon tends to keep all of its media together. Even if X and Y are the only video games in Generation VI, I find it unlikely that Nintendo would push for a Generation VII when Ash Ketchum still has to finish his journey through Kalos in the anime, the Pokémon Adventures X and Y chapter is just getting started, and not even all Generation VI Pokémon have been made available as TCG cards. Heck, we still have yet to see the release of Diancie, Volcanion, and Hoopa in the video games, so even the video games cannot be finished here. Finally, I must correct you on something, SeanWheeler. FireRed and LeafGreen did actually introduce a new Pokémon: Deoxys. There were no events for it prior to the release of FRLG and when the events occurred, it could only be obtained in FRLG, not in Ruby and Sapphire. --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 22:37, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Also, please remind me if "Generations" are the official creations or simply how it is defined in the fandom? I think we should judge if certain titles are in a certain generation according to an objective definition. I understand that it is highly probable to see it released as in the Generation VI. But this is not a confirmed fact or official announcement, but a derived theory. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 22:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)