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→‎Spaceworld Information: Moderators, please read this thread. We're well beyond a reasonable waiting time for this.

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 :::I have to agree, this is ridiculous. This is about the only place on the web that refuses to acknowledge the demo's legitimacy. And even then, it seems to be mostly Bulbapedia's staff; people are tired of explaining that the demo has been proved legit, but it all seems to fall on deaf ears. How paranoid and (frankly speaking) clueless can the staff be regarding the subject? [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 12:22, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 ::::Seems my page has been being looked at for about 2 weeks now if I recall correctly. celadonk and staff member abcboy have both helped a lot on it. I am hoping sometime in the next week or two it could be approved so more people can help add on to the page itself as well. While it has been roughly a year since it was confirmed and NO STAFF MEMBER is saying it is "not valid information" and such as you seem to be accusing them of. We always need to wait for them to move the pages to the mainspace which I do not have as much of an issue with. Probably going to try adding a bit more to it later today and seeing if I can ask a little more about mainspacing the article one more time. :) ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 13:47, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
+:::::So the staff isn't debating its authenticity? Ah, my apologies to them then. I'm just frustrated that it has been over a year and it's still not covered by Bulbapedia, userspace aside. I think that's the longest we have gone on without adding widely known verified information. [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 14:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
+::::::Frozen Fennec, I hope I don't come across as rude, but there has actually been a staff member who has expressed their <s>unfounded</s> opinion that the Spaceworld demo is not valid information, although I will not say who. (It's pretty easy to find out.) And we've been waiting for a year and two days now. We've known it was real for most of that 367-day period. Honestly, I personally ''do'' have an issue with continuing to have to wait for really any fruitful acknowledgement or progress.
+::::::I might try and work on some pages too but Bulbapedia is pretty low on the life priority list for me, especially as school comes to a close for the year. If I were to decide (which, to be clear, I'm not), I'd say that the article in your userspace is pretty much good enough to mainspace as a solid summary of the ROM, save for certain images that would need to be uploaded. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#004EA2">cela</span><span style="color:#B60007">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 22:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
+The Pokedex format seen in the Spaceworld demo ROM can be seen at 10:33 of this video.:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFSFouk-iqc&feature=youtu.be
+[[User:Tyler11|Tyler11]] ([[User talk:Tyler11|talk]]) 14:28, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
+:The more footage from Spaceworld 1997 that comes up and matches up perfectly with the the "fake Spaceworld leak", the sadder it becomes that some people are still in denial of its veracity. Aside from everything SnorlaxMonster, Maxim, and others pointed out previously, it'd be impossible for it to be fake unless the person who made the leak was actually at Spaceworld 1997 themselves and explored everything possible in the demo, recreated it perfectly 20+ years later, then added in a bunch of inaccessible fake data. It's conspiracy theory at this point. [[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 14:44, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
+::At this point I doubt that there is anyone in denial apart from one nameless moderator. I think it's mostly just lack of discussion within the moderator team about how to implement it. I know that a few of the mods-- Spriteit and Abcboy come to mind-- have been pushing for action, so the issue at least isn't completely stagnant.
+::Apart from that, I don't really understand what decision making needs to be done apart from the obvious "yes" to whether we should put information on it on the site-- it's undeniably real, as we've been over many many times, and much of the groundwork has already been done by both average users and moderators in their userspaces.
+::It makes me wish that a) the mod team was less private/more transparent about important decisions that average members have been pushing for, such as this, and b) that average members had a little more say in what goes on here. That being said, I am very grateful to the two aforementioned mods for being very polite, cooperative, and transparent about this whole issue.
+::In the meantime, there's a page [[User:Frozen Fennec/Pokémon Gold and Silver Spaceworld Demo|here]] that is basically ready to go.
+::Idk if this is too optimistic or not, but hopefully if I come back in two or so years the all clear will have been given. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 16:40, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
+I find it extremely odd that the Spaceworld information hasn't been implemented yet. It is borderline indisputable that this is real, there are far too many coincidences. Hell, I have further proof that it's real: the fact Tyranitar isn't in the demo. The MicroGroup Game Review Magazine specifically says that Tyranitar wasn't canon (as were none of the other designs), and this was released in April of 1997. The accurate translation only came to light after the demo's leak [https://plaguevonkarmabeta.weebly.com/blog/microgroup-game-review-vol14-sugimori-retranslated when Plague von Karma bought the magazine herself and had Obskyr look at it]. Tyranitar wasn't added in until after Spaceworld 1997, quite clearly. The rest not even being in the ROM furthers the evidence of this demo's legitimacy as well as a result of this. The person releasing this could not have known any of this without retranslating this magazine themselves. Why go through all that effort for such a hoax? --[[User:Pichu Madman26|Pichu Madman26]] ([[User talk:Pichu Madman26|talk]]) 03:50, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
+:I don't think that's the best piece of evidence, but it shouldn't really matter, because we already are 100% sure it's real. The issue is that most of staff seems to be ignoring this completely.
+:Other than that, I just want to bump this thread again. I rarely even use Bulbapedia anymore these days but it still disappoints me to see this still being pleaded for.
+:If any mods are reading this, please at least let us know what's going on. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 18:36, 13 August 2019 (UTC)