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:What game is this from? The formula differs between III-IV and V. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 20:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC) | :What game is this from? The formula differs between III-IV and V. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 20:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC) | ||
::Sorry about that ^^; Clarified the title to include which game I refer to. This is for the Gen V formula. —[[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] ([[User talk:FerreTrip|talk]]) 20:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC) | ::Sorry about that ^^; Clarified the title to include which game I refer to. This is for the Gen V formula. —[[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] ([[User talk:FerreTrip|talk]]) 20:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC) | ||
: | :I misread the formula too (I think), although in a different way. When it says 1229 ÷ 4096x (.3x), it seems to actually mean that 0.3 is the simplification of that fraction; I think it's saying that CatchRate=1+(0.3*t), where t is # of turns passed. | ||
:In any case, the math provided is a bit sloppy/misleading and could use clean-up (I originally read it as Rate=1+1229/4096*0.3*t ). | |||
:--[[User:Axis|Axis]] ([[User talk:Axis|talk]]) 09:30, 5 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
== The Dive Ball issue == | == The Dive Ball issue == | ||
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? - Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|<sub>Questions?</sub>]] -- 19:01, 14 April 2013 (UTC) | ? - Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|<sub>Questions?</sub>]] -- 19:01, 14 April 2013 (UTC) | ||
:No, it's 1.1 from the start. [[User:Mathfreak231|<span class="explain" title="Mathfreak">MF</span>]][[User talk:Mathfreak231|23]][[Special:Contributions/Mathfreak231|1]] 23:43, 14 April 2013 (UTC) | :No, it's 1.1 from the start. [[User:Mathfreak231|<span class="explain" title="Mathfreak">MF</span>]][[User talk:Mathfreak231|23]][[Special:Contributions/Mathfreak231|1]] 23:43, 14 April 2013 (UTC) | ||
The timerball says, for generations V+, that the catch rate is "1× + 1229 ÷ 4096× (0.3×) per turn passed in the battle, maximum 4×". I feel that this could be worded better such as "min(1+(1229/4096)t);4)× where t is the number of turns passed". The reasoning is because the current formula can be ambiguous to whether 1229/4096 is added, or (1229/4096)*(0.3)× is added. [[User:Zombiedude347|Zombiedude347]] ([[User talk:Zombiedude347|talk]]) 22:49, 3 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
:It certainly could be worded better (is, now), but it doesn't need to be so technical as to use "min(x,y)". It may be a bit more concise, but (even when I know exactly how the min function works), it's not as easy to understand as just writing out "maximum 4x". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:03, 4 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
I also have a question. On the serebii.net page for the time ball (http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/timerball.shtml) it states "The Timer Ball is a PokéBall that works best on Pokémon as the duration of battle increases. If up to 10 turns have taken place, the Capture Rate is 1. If between 11 & 20 turns have taken place then the Capture Rate is 2. If between 21 & 30 turns have taken place then the Capture Rate is 3. Finally, if over 30 turns have taken place, the Capture Rate is 4." this doesn't seem to match the information on this page. I am asking because most of the time, serebii is accurate. Which values are most accurate/up to date? [[User:Zombiedude347|Zombiedude347]] ([[User talk:Zombiedude347|talk]]) 14:30, 4 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
:You mean the Gen V+ part? I can't verify the chances myself, but it's a bit more likely that the information on Serebii simply hasn't been properly updated since Gen V. Serebii ''is'' pretty good, but there are still a number of things Serebii isn't perfect on, so don't hold it on too high a pedestal. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Link in fast ball section == | == Link in fast ball section == | ||
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Meanwhile technically not an usable Poké Ball, Gen VI did start making TMs on the overworld be represented by yellow Poké Balls, should this be noted? [[User:ChReNiC|ChReNiC]] ([[User talk:ChReNiC|talk]]) 04:27, 7 December 2013 (UTC) | Meanwhile technically not an usable Poké Ball, Gen VI did start making TMs on the overworld be represented by yellow Poké Balls, should this be noted? [[User:ChReNiC|ChReNiC]] ([[User talk:ChReNiC|talk]]) 04:27, 7 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
I think it the article should also mention the new breeding mechanics. Before Gen VI, a Pokémon hatched from an egg is always in a regular Poké Ball. In Gen VI, however, the offspring is in whatever type of Poké Ball its mother is in. (But it will still be in a regular Poké Ball if it is bred from a Ditto, or if the mother is in a Master Ball or a Cherish Ball.) ----'''[[User:Zewis29|<span style="color:green;">Zewis</span>]] [[User talk:Zewis29|<span style="color:blue;">(29)</span>]]''' 15:06, 29 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Inconsistency about the Fast Ball on this page and the Escape page == | == Inconsistency about the Fast Ball on this page and the Escape page == | ||
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In the [[a:File:Dream Sport Ball Sprite.png|Dream World art]], it has an S, while every other appearance has it with aPoké Ball design (Poké Ball on a Poké Ball... somewhat redundant). Is this notable for trivia? [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] <small>([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])</small> 00:06, 4 April 2014 (UTC) | In the [[a:File:Dream Sport Ball Sprite.png|Dream World art]], it has an S, while every other appearance has it with aPoké Ball design (Poké Ball on a Poké Ball... somewhat redundant). Is this notable for trivia? [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] <small>([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])</small> 00:06, 4 April 2014 (UTC) | ||
== Distortion World == | |||
Does the Distortion World when you catch Giratina in Platinum count as a Cave for the Dusk Ball's primary mechanics to work? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 13:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Incorrect Gen II sell prices == | |||
The sell prices for Kurt's balls (at least according to my US Pokémon Crystal cartridge; someone would have to confirm the other versions) are all 75P, not 150P. In other words, they're ironically valued at less than raw Apricorns (100P). | |||
[[User:Tgev|Tgev]] ([[User talk:Tgev|talk]]) 02:20, 1 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Kalos Pokeball Factory == | |||
The article says "and used to catch wild Pokémon prior to the mass production of the Balls that occurs in modern times under Silph Co. and the Devon Corporation", but doesn't mention anything about the Kalos Pokeball Factory. I know it's not an actual company, but it's the only Pokeball Production Center in the games, as far as I can think. Deserves a mention, eh? [[User:NotMateo|NotMateo]] ([[User talk:NotMateo|talk]]) 19:56, 2 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Anti-Theft System? == | |||
"Thief" and other related words don't show up in the article, and "steal" shows up only in reference to stealing the balls themselves. Is it proven or not that once a Pokémon is captured in a ball, no other ball is able to capture said Pokémon due to some security system (apart from the Trainer blocking the ball)? [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] ([[User talk:FerreTrip|talk]]) 16:41, 4 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Is the Level Ball glitched in HGSS? == | |||
I was in the middle of trying to catch a Level 4 Rattata and had my Level 46 Zangoose out when I forgot to False Swipe it before throwing a Level Ball. Despite the fact that Rattata's catch rate combined with the 8x rate of the Level Ball when used on a wild Pokémon whose level is less than a quarter of that of your current Pokémon, which should in theory guarantee a capture, it still managed to break out. This really bewildered me, considering that if you threw a Repeat Ball or a Quick Ball at it, both of those would lead to certain capture at full health. Diving around several capture calculators led me to discover that at full health, throwing a maximally-effective Level Ball at a Pokémon with a catch rate of 255 at full health would be no better than throwing a mere Poké Ball at it as both would still have the base roughly 33% success rate, and that the supposed catch rate only begins to come into effect as you weaken it, just like any other ball. As aforementioned, putting a Repeat or Quick Ball into the calculator with said Pokémon displayed a 100% success rate as normal, even though their catch rate multipliers are both dwarfed by that of an 8x Level Ball. So is there something up with the Level Ball's mechanics, just like how half of the Apricorn Balls were glitch-ridden to the point of having no special effect back in Generation II? | |||
[[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 14:00, 20 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Per [[catch rate]]: | |||
:''The formula is slightly different when applied to the apricorn balls in HeartGold and SoulSilver. The modifiers for these balls are applied directly to the Pokémon's catch rate, rather than in the formula as bonusball is always 1, and the catch rate can not go higher than 255. '''This means that for Pokémon whose catch rate is already 255, such as Rattata, the apricorn balls do not make the capture anymore likely than a regular Poké Ball.''''' --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 14:06, 20 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
:: I wrote the above entry in the catch rate article. But it was an experience very similar to the OP's that caused me to delve deeper into the capture mechanics. Horray for Cave of Dragonflies :-p | |||
The numbers under the apricorn balls are a little mis-leading, especially as they are in the same format as the rest of the balls so the implication is that you can make a direct comparison. Maybe an asterisk on each rate that explains that it is a max rate, or "rate equals 255/catch rate or x8 whichever is smaller". That will get really messy though. Especially as the 255 cap applies to all balls in GSC. | |||
Anyone got any better ideas?[[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Why does it say that some Poke balls introduced in Gen IV go to the Items pocket and not the Poke Balls pocket? == | |||
Do I have permission to attempt to fix this?[[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:47, 22 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Poké Balls in BWB2W2XYORAS are in the Items pocket. Some Poké Balls haven't been obtainable since DPPtHGSS, when they were in the Poké Balls pocket. We list the pocket as of the most recent game it is legitimately available in, so that's why they are inconsistent. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC) | |||