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==The series is more based on Pokémon Go and Pokémon Masters than SwSh==

Just thought you aught to put the mobile games in front of the Gen 8 core game series since the new series will be promoting all of the regions than SwSh. [[User:Cynthia149|Cynthia149]] ([[User talk:Cynthia149|talk]]) 11:23, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

:You're going to need an external source to back that up. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 11:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

::I can already think of one, the new character Go. The description of his goals to complete his Pokedex and capture Mew. The way they will travel to all the regions in the Pokémon world (And likely meet the Gym Leaders, strong trainers, E4s and Champions in each Region) instead of just going through and showcasing Galar like the previous series. Since Ash would represent the mainline games, Go seems to represent Go, so to attract the people that play the mobile games to watch the anime. [[User:Cynthia149|Cynthia149]] ([[User talk:Cynthia149|talk]]) 11:30, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

:::When I say "external source", I mean an interview from the production staff that explicitly confirms that. Having a character named Go could mean anything in the eyes of the writers. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 11:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

::::The Pokedexes also shout ''Nice'', ''Great'' and ''Excellent'' every time they catch something. Please don't tell me that's obviously Pokemon Go inspired. Though not completely, it is worth mentioning for the anime. [[User:Cynthia149|Cynthia149]] ([[User talk:Cynthia149|talk]]) 20:19, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

:::::But that's not an "external source", now is it? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:28, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

::::::What 'external source'? These are some of the real reasons to why I hate you elitist fans so much, and it's not just with Pokemon, it's with all fandoms. I wish they never exist at all. It's because of you we have these disagreement and time-wasting pointless arguments. The proof is right in your face, and yet you don't want to believe it.[[User:Cynthia149|Cynthia149]] ([[User talk:Cynthia149|talk]]) 21:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

:::::::I just clarified what I meant by an "external source". Please read further up. Also, I do see the similarities, but they're very few in-between. For example, GO doesn't involve traveling to all the core series regions and doing with Ash and Go do. All I'm seeing are just aesthetics that have been carried over. The catchphrases of Pokédexes are very minute as references. I'm going to need an appearance from a GO-exclusive character to convince me and others; otherwise, an interview is going to be needed to verify this.

:::::::Lastly, you need to lay off with the attitude. It's not helping your argument any. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

::::::::It isn't much based on Sword and Shield either since it's mostly focused on the other regions as well as Galar, and yet all we've seen of Galar is Wyndon and the Wild Area (Which happens to be based on the two most popular Japanese tourist spots in the UK, London and the Lake District), that's it. The Gym Leaders in Galar would probably be the 8 strong trainers unless they're the Champions from each Region. To me, this doesn't feel like a traditional Pokemon anime any more. But then again, neither is Gen 8 since it is on a non-traditional console, as stated by Masuda himself in an interview. What is really Galar's role in this anime if it and it's Pokemon are not the main focus in the anime? I know Eternatus is going to be involved, but for what?[[User:Cynthia149|Cynthia149]] ([[User talk:Cynthia149|talk]]) 21:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::Like I already said elsewhere, "'...[A]nd is based on the events of all of the core series Pokémon games, including the Generation VIII games Pokémon Sword and Shield.' I'm not saying this series is ''solely'' based on Sword and Shield." [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::Then why even have a Generation 8 at all if that is not entirely the focus? That's what I would wish to ask the people that are making it. It just makes me frustrated that I can't. It makes me feel like they should have ended at Gen 7 and call it am day, and have Gou with an Eevee instead of a Scorbunny? [[User:Cynthia149|Cynthia149]] ([[User talk:Cynthia149|talk]]) 21:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::::Because it's the newest generation, so there needs to be an emphasis on it. After all, one of the main Pokémon is a Galar starter Pokémon, so there's still some special influence of Generation VIII in this series. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:39, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::::But why the other regions? Shouldn't they wait until Ash is done with Galar? It just makes Galar feel just like the game, empty, soulless, lacking. All it is is Ash competing in the Pokemon World Championships. I wouldn't mind if that actually appeared in the Expansion Pass, which would probably be the case with the logo of two mascots holding poke balls in the first trailer. [[User:Cynthia149|Cynthia149]] ([[User talk:Cynthia149|talk]]) 21:46, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::::::I don't know. I can't tell you what exactly the writers and producers are thinking. I would've liked Galar to be the only focus too, but this is all we have for now. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

== Two-letter Abbreviation for this series ==

So, I'd like to have a discussion about what this site is gonna do about that. "NS" (for "New series"), "SS" (for "Shin series", but also works as "Sword & Shield"), or PM (for "Pocket Monsters") are ideas I've had. --[[User:TheMaskedMeowth|TheMaskedMeowth]] ([[User talk:TheMaskedMeowth|talk]]) 23:46, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
:"NS" sounds like the best option until we learn an official title for this series. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
::Given the episodes aren't going to air before we have a proper series title, there's no point in figuring out episcodes right now. Once there's a title, we'll work on them. If, by slim chance, the first episode does air prior to a proper title, any epicode we assign it will be temporary. If it never gets a proper title, we'll worry about that then. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 01:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:::It's not getting a "proper series title" besides just Pocket Monsters. They've said several times that they're removing the subtitle for this series.--[[User:TheMaskedMeowth|TheMaskedMeowth]] ([[User talk:TheMaskedMeowth|talk]]) 04:06, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
::::Opening up the discussion again, why is the abbreviation SS if it's not even entirely based on Sword & Shield? Is the "shin series" thing actually how they refer to it in Japan or is it just a way to justify the double meaning of SS? I just think SS is a bit counterintuitive. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 19:14, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
:::::I'll have to agree. Plus, it doesn't even seem like we'll be getting a new series after this, judging by the format of this series. If Generation IX ever does come rolling around, they'll just implement it somehow into this series, and so on and so forth. I think "NS" is the perfect episcode for this. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:20, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

==Page Title==

Why not name the series Pokémon (2019)? That's what most of the other forums are calling it.
It's been confirmed that this is the official name for the series as the anime's Twitter
page has repeated several times that this series would have the same name as the original series in 1997. {{unsigned|Alola adventurer}}

:We don't call the [[original series]] "Pokémon" even though that's the official title. We need some sort of title to fulfill the "series" quota, with or without the [[core series]] game titles. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:06, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

::There's really no "quota" apart from factual information. It’s pretty ridiculous to ignore official information just to maintain a pattern. If it is called Pocket Monsters (2019) or Pokémon Journeys: The series, then it should be called that. Plain and simple. "New series" is frankly, quite ridiculous and not factual. An encyclopaedia gives factual information, irrespective of it adhering to any "pattern" or "quota". [[User:PkmnTrainerV|The legendary PkmnTrainerV is Here!]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 10:46, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

== Koharu as a main character ==

Where was it confirmed that Koharu would be a main character? None of the sources I'm reading have ever clarified on that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:12, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

== Rename the title of the series ==

A more appropriate title would be Pocket Monsters (2019). {{unsigned|Panky..}}

:We don't call the [[original series]] "Pocket Monsters" even though that's the official title. We need some sort of title to fulfill the "series" quota, with or without the [[core series]] game titles. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:27, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

::But I don't get why we should follow a "quora" specifically for this occasion, when there's several arbitrary decisions around it. Pocket Monsters have the "EP" epicode instead of "RG", while for some reason Bulbapedia tries to force the Sword and Shield initials for this series all the while this series in particular is not even entirely based on said games. The "shin series" thing seems like a made-up explanation to justify another meaning for "SS", as no one in Japan calls it like that in the first place. Even the title provided in the article, '''新無印編''' ''new unnamed saga'', is nowhere near as commonly used as '''ポケットモンスター (2019)''' ''Pocket Monsters (2019)''. "New series" doesn't even match the "SS" epicode either. The "new series" will stop being new at some point; in fact you could argue it's not new, it's the "current" one. Most people refer to this series as Pocket Monsters (2019), or PM, PM (2019), etc, for short. I agree that this should be renamed to "'''Pocket Monsters (2019)'''". If for some reason the first series being named "original series" is a problem, then we could rename that one to "Pocket Monsters (1997)" as well. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 16:41, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

:::Yes, there must be a quota, because it'd be weird if every other series has the same format for a title and then there's this: "Pokémon (2019)" or "Pocket Monsters (2019)". What do you suggest we rename the {{series2|Advanced Generation}}, {{series2|Diamond & Pearl}}, {{series2|Best Wishes}}, {{series2|XY}}, and {{series|Sun & Moon}} to? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:50, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
::::I think that there should be consistency, yes, but with moderation. If an official name exist, '''we should use it'''. "'''Pocket Monster (2019)'''" seems to be the closest we can get at the moment. Also, yeah, New series will stop being new at some point, if already hasn't, so it's a silly name we shouldn't use for that matter. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 00:26, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::What about the other series, though? What're are we going to do with their names? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 02:24, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
::::::What about them? Why can't they be called "Xx Series"? --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 00:18, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Because you want the original and new series to be renamed "Pokémon" and "Pokémon 2019" and the others are just going to be called ''Advanced Generation'' series, ''Diamond & Pearl'' series, and so on and so forth. It would look strange. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:11, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
::::::::I didn't say anything about the original series, but the current name for this series does not look right one bit. That was rather my point. But, how about we just skip the series part entirely? That way no-one stands out. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 01:39, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::Honestly, I'm way too used to the series format, so I disagree. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:44, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
{{indent}}Honestly, you being used to something is not an argument. We should always use what's either official or the least confusing. Imo we should never have made up things like this in the first place. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 15:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
:Are we strongly against numbering the series? We could leave all of the article titles the same except for this one ("New series" becomes "Seventh series), and if we need to keep the episode article titles consistent you could say, for example, EP001 would be 1S001, AG001 would be 2S001, XY001 would be 5S001, etc., leading to SS001 becoming 7S001. Heck, how bad would it REALLY be if every other series is left alone and we only change this one to 7S###?  --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] ([[User talk:Neumannz|talk]]) 16:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
::Wouldn't "reboot series" make more sense? [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 16:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
:::Is it really a reboot if it is still continuing the previous continuity?  --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] ([[User talk:Neumannz|talk]]) 17:42, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
::::Not at all. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 23:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::We should've thought about what the titles should've been a long time ago, then. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
::::::We are '''''not''''' going to rename every single episode article. That is something that is not going to happen.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 07:41, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I wasn't talking about individual episodes, I was talking about '''series''' titles. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:42, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
::::::::I was responding to Neumannz's suggestion.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 08:24, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, my bad. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:27, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
{{indent}}That's fine. What about the second suggestion of just renaming the episode articles from the new season? And the suggestion of renaming ''this'' article to "Seventh series"?  --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] ([[User talk:Neumannz|talk]]) 15:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
:{{U|Force Fire}} just said renaming episode articles are a no-go. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:49, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
:: If we truly need consistency then I'm all down for renaming every series, such as "Pocket Monsters: Advanced Generation" instead of "Advanced Generation series". But my personal take is that under no circumstances this one should be titled "new series" and that takes priority. I'm also against using the "SS" epicode (we might as well use the "RS" epicode instead of "AG" by that logic), but I guess there's no possibility for that to change. "PM" is also risky if the next series will retain the exact same title anyways. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 03:36, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
:::The issue with changing the epicodes, is, as I understand it, having to change the many hundreds of them scattered everywhere. So 'SS' may still be able to be changed now, but by the time it ends and has 100+ episodes, it'll be too late, most likely.
:::'Shin series' isn't a specific term exclusive to this year, in case it wasn't clear — for example [https://animeanime.jp/article/2010/08/27/6871.html here's a 2010 Japanese news report] about Pokémon having its 'first Shin Series in 4 years', Best Wishes.
:::While it's something Pokémon hasn't had as an issue before, other series like Doraemon which have had reboots tend to be called Doraemon (1973), Doraemon (1979), Doraemon (2005) for disambiguation. So 'year-in-brackets' is pretty much the standard on other sites. It seems like GrammarFreak01 is the only one exacting a series quota against this? Though, "Pocket Monsters (2019)" certainly doesn't fit with "[[Original series]]".
:::It's certainly not imaginitive, how about "The 2019 TV series", with codes 19001, 19002, etc, or possibly 2019001, 2019002, etc? While they are just numbers, they'd be high enough they shouldn't cause any overlap, and would resolve any future overlap issues for a minimum of 100 years.
:::And of course, there's already a [https://corocoro.jp/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/c7eed142c7e30a1401bb73f491f361d5.jpg manga by Machito Gomi based on the new series] that will eventually need a page title figured out too, if the situation wasn't messy enough. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] ([[User talk:Bluesun|talk]]) 10:16, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
::::I like where we're at right now. I have my doubts there'll be another series after this, anyway. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:15, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::How come? --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 22:43, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
::::::With the way this series is structured (Ash and Go traveling to a different region per episode), they can just easily introduce the next generation's region within this series, and so on and so forth. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:39, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I would not trust that this series would go on indefinitely. Even if the structure is different from previous ones and has a lot more flexibilty, the odds of the show choosing to use the same formula for the rest of its days seem pretty small, and there does not seem to be a reason for us to take the chance if we don't have to.  --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] ([[User talk:Neumannz|talk]]) 15:42, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
::::::::Just throwing my hat in the ring, but while "new series" is a fitting name for the moment, the series will eventually end at one point, so it's not the most suitable name long-term (and even if we were to assume that this will go on indefinitely, it still won't be considered new anymore in a few years, will it?). The Epicode also doesn't suit the series, since this barely features any elements form Sword & Shield, so why would the SS code be used? I'd say "2019 series" would be a more appropriate title for this series. It would still be in line with Bulbapedia's naming convention and would allow for the use of a more fitting Epicode (like TN (from '''t'''wenty '''n'''ineteen), for example), instead of using one that barely has anything to do with the series proper. [[User:Pulsaro23|Pulsaro23]] ([[User talk:Pulsaro23|talk]]) 15:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::"2019 series" actually sounds like a good idea at the moment. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:13, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
{{indent}}I'd vote for that or else my below suggestion of @Go series@ as in to go somewhere, since a whole lot of the series (judging by me reading bulbapedia articles of the episodes) involves Ash and the male companion visiting different regions.
This also gives us a good epicode prefix of go this way we're not using Sword and Shield's innitials for epicodes.
As for the male character's name go, I don't think that will stick in the dub so calling it @Go series' wouldn't be naming it after this character, rather it would be naming it after the fact that Ash and the male companion go to all of the various regions.  Follow my logic?
I'd also be fore the names @World series@ with ws epicode prefix or else @Pokemon World series@ with PM as the epicode prefix, in order to follow the theme of visiting many regions.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 07:29, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
:I would rather not move the page until the dub is announced. Hopefully the dub will provide it with some kind of name, given that they've recently gone back and given names to all of the previous series (despite them not originally having names in the dub). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:58, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
The dub has been given the title of Pokémon Journeys: The Series. With this, we should now be looking at changing the name of the series because it's definitely no longer New (plus the prefix for episodes could be altered to PJ instead of SS).[[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] ([[User talk:Watchermark|talk]]) 14:00, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
:I agree, even if it might be odd for what has always been a Japan-centric article category, Pokemon Journeys: The Series is the most distinguished title it’s going to get. I don’t know what it would mean for the pre-XY series. Personally I wasn’t a fan of the retronaming of “Pokemon The Series: The Beginning” or for the Johto arc and Advanced Generation series being retronamed after their games so I’m very conflicted on how I’d want the dominos to fall in such an effect--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 06:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
::Well tbf, "Journeys" is because the series is based on Pokemon GO, not Sword and Shield. episode articles should prob use PJ too, instead of SS.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 03:16, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Do you have a reliable source saying this series is based on GO? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
::::I honestly can’t see it. Go elements can be incorporated without being the basis of the entire series--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 03:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::Me neither. This seems to be an opinion only this user has. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::Literally a trainer named "Go". takes place worldwide like how the app is worldwide.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 02:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::While I can see why, it seems like a stretch, objectively. Do you have a source that confirms it was what the production staff had in mind while conceiving this? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
{{indent}}Regardless of if it's based on Pokemon Go or not, we know it is not based on Sword and Shield barring a few eps that take place in Galar.  the reason why this series is different I'd argue is that all previous series were based on specific games, I.E. BW for Black & White, XY based on X & Y, ETC.  This is an unorthodox series as it is based on not one but all core series games and features all core-series reagons and apparently acknowledges the Orange Islands in an episode with Ash's trophy appearing.  So 
We also don't know for sure if the character of Go is going to be called Go in English, because in English go is a verb, not a name, unless they're going to make it a sort of nickname.  So while I strongly agree that it is not based jus ton SS and therefore SS is inappropriate and the Sin series excuse in my oppinion is watchogwash, (see wha tI did there) PJ makes sense, and I'm obviously not alone there.
So while I see the arguments on what to do about past series being valid, I do not believe it applies here as this is different than other series before it, therefore it should not be judged based on what was done for previous series.  
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 02:28, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
:Even if it doesn't look like it right now, future episodes indicate a more Galar-centric tone, what with the upcoming appearances of [[Raihan]] and [[Sonia]], plus the fact that the Pokémon World Championships have a basis in the {{OBP|Battle Tower|Generation VIII}} and [[Battle Stadium]] of {{g|Sword and Shield}}. I'd say it's based on Sword and Shield. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
::Unfortunately grammar freak, your argument is poor.  Roserade57 speculates that it's based on Pokemon Go based on it being about the world, and your argument of it being based on Sword & Shield is based on a few galar characters appearing and the loosest  basing on the battle tower.
::You're trying to find a precedent for this series compared to a single one but in actuality this comes from all the various series.  
::Just face the fact that this is different than the others before it and stop clinging to the idea of each series being based on a single generation based on precedent.  As my sister Anice Moriarty says, precedent doesn't mean present truth.
::[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 16:40, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
:::"...[A]nd is based on the events of all of the [[core series]] [[Pokémon games]], including the [[Generation VIII]] games [[Pokémon Sword and Shield]]." I'm not saying this series is ''solely'' based on Sword and Shield. But you're arguing there is absolutely no Sword and Shield basis for this series, which isn't entirely accurate. Pokémon GO doesn't involve going to the existing core series regions, if I remember correctly. You're going to need a source confirming the production staff explicitly based this series on GO, otherwise the similarities to GO are pretty weak. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
::::You're wrong about what I'm arguing.  I'm not saying that it isn't based on s&S at all, rather I'm saying it isn't based on S&S alone so therefore using SS (Sword and Shiled) for epicodes is not warrented as we have an official title now and I'm not buying "Sin Series" when even in the epicodes article it out and out says Sword & Shield.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 21:51, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::Well, you just said, and I quote, "Regardless of if it's based on Pokemon Go or not, we know it is not based on Sword and Shield barring a few eps that take place in Galar." [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, and it's true.  There are episodes based on Sword & Shield, but the entire series is not.  It is based on all the core series games including Sword & Shield, meaning it includes episodes based on Sword & Shield.  The AG series had some episodes that can be viewed as being based on FR&LG but that doesn't make ag132-ag192 a FR&LG series does it?  The whole Journies series is not based on just S&S, rather it's based on all core-series games and features all the regions up to Galar.  For all we know when gen IX comes around the Journies series will include that region and elements of those core-series games too, just as is done with S&S and the others.  follow me now?
::::::I know this isn't a case of Uganda English vs. U.S. English, I'm sure my meaning is clear.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 04:04, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, but the {{series|Advanced Generation}} article says, "...[A]nd is based on the events of the [[core series]] [[Generation III]] [[Pokémon games]]." It doesn't say it was based on {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} only. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:56, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::The main brunt is... it shouldn't be called "new series". what happens when gen 9 start? "new new series" "newiest series" "newseries mcnewseriesface"?[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 23:24, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, obviously, hence my suggestion of "''Journeys'' series". [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:16, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I’d also like to just propose that when the page moves, that the italic directory at the top of the page (forgive me for blanking on the proper term) read “''For the first dub season of this series, see [[S23]]''”--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 03:50, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Regardless, have we reached a consensis of [[Pokémon Journeys: The Series]]?  
I think most if not all of us agree that New Series does not work since we now have an official name.  After we move this page we can discuss what to do with the epicodes.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 12:19, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
:I think this page (and all series pages, except the original series) should be moved to their dub names. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
While I do not disagree with you Snorlax Monster, I don't think we should go moving other pages without consensis on those individual pages.
I think right now the focus should be on moving this New Series page to the suggested name of Pokemon journeys the Series, since the word "new" is relative to when the series comes out.  Either way the current title has to go and soon as it ceases to be new after some time.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 13:23, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
:On that subject Snorlax Monster, the only page I'd likely agree with changing apart from this one is [[Best Wishes series]] to [[Black & White series]], consistency arguments would be better with Best Wishes vs. Black & white arpage instead of this one, because at least the BW series is based on a specific generation and specific core-series games, unlike the Journeys series which is based on all of them, not just the gen VIII games.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 13:31, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
::I hope this page can be moved soon. The dub is going to start airing in Canada this weekend. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:10, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

== series and epicode name question ==

Hello
What exactly does SS stand fore since the series is not at all based on Sword and Shield save for a couple eps to date?  And what's going to be new about it in let's say a year's time?

Why not call it the Pokemon World series and have the episodes renamed form ss001 to PM or PW001.
Pokemon World series comes from the fact that post Sun and Moon league win, Ash is exploring the Pokemon World.
I'm thinking if you were to rename this series to something related to the Pokemon world it would be a better reflection of what is going on rather than just "New" series, a term that is going to be out of date real fast.
As for epicodes, what is SS anyway, given that it has little to do with just Sword and Shield?  If you do rename it, do it soon while there are only 9 or 10 eps, rather than waiting eons then complaining about renaming 144 episodes or something like that.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 15:50, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

:Another good name is Go Series.  Not go like in the character as I highly doubt his name will remain Go when he gets dubbed, as "Go" is a word in English not a name, but go as in to go somewhere.  snd have the epicodes be go I.E. go001, go002
:[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 16:00, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
::I suppose SS means Shin Series. Shin means '''New''' in Japanese. [[User:Nintenchris5963|Nintenchris5963]] ([[User talk:Nintenchris5963|talk]]) 14:21, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

:::We're not baptizing this series. We need a title for the article and epicodes that accurately portray the ''official title'' (which is just "Pocket Monsters"), not inventing new things like "Go series" or "World series". --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 17:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

::::Agreed. Let's see what the English dub calls it first before we make any decisions. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:43, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

:::::Bumping discussion. Now that we know the English-dubbed title, does this change anything? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

::::::I favor adjusting the names, personally. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 01:55, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

:::::::Me too. At the very least, we can't call this 'new series' forever. [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] ([[User talk:Watchermark|talk]]) 14:21, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

::::::::"New series" was just meant to be a placeholder, it even says so in the article with only having the fans calling it that. Now that we know the English dubbed title, we just need to decide what to adjust the names to.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]] ([[User talk:Animaltamer7|talk]]) 14:41, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::Simple: "''Journeys'' series". [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I support this too and a new epicode of PJ instead of SS, and I say do it soon before we get too many episodes.

[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 16:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

:PJ for Pokémon Journeys sounds good - but then if that happened, would we change the side stories epicode again? '''[[User:JoeRunner|JoeRunner]] ([[User talk:JoeRunner|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/JoeRunner|and stuff]])''' 21:10, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Just leave the side stories since they appear to be different things altogether, I.E. chronicals is not the same series as the Mega Evolution ones.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 22:31, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

: "Pokémon Journeys: The Series" works too. [[User:PkmnTrainerV|PkmnTrainerV]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 05:22, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

== The Page Title ==

Why is the page title even called "New Series"? We already have an official title in the form of Pocket Monsters 2019, or alternatively Pokémon Journeys: The Series. The only argument on this page so far talks about some hypothetical "quota" to keep the pages consistent. But the truth is, the title isn’t actually consistent with the previous ones, and it’s a fact. Factual information shouldn’t be ignored just to satisfy so called "quotas" when Bulbapedia (quite stubbornly, at times)  aims to include only official information. Then why are they ditching official information to add a new, frankly ridiculous page title? [[User:PkmnTrainerV|The legendary PkmnTrainerV is Here!]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 10:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

:The Bulbapedia names for previous series seem to be based on their Japanese name when the English name is different. That trend suggests that this series should be called the ''Pocket Monsters'' series. However, the name that [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] suggested above, ''Journeys'' series, might make more sense for English-language articles. It also reflects the name used on the equivalent page in most of the non-Japanese wikis (e.g. the [https://www.wikidex.net/wiki/Serie_Viajes_Pok%C3%A9mon the Spanish language page]). How aligned should the name be across languages? [[User:Butterfreeism|<span style="color:#625B7C">'''–Bu<span style="color:#C05751">tt<span style="color:#5A93AE">erfr</span>ee</span>ism'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Butterfreeism|talk]]) 07:31, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

::I don’t see the issue with it being called  "Pocket Monsters (2019)" with redirects set up for Pokémon Journeys and the variations. [[User:PkmnTrainerV|PkmnTrainerV]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 05:20, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

:::The thing is, this wiki uses English dub names, and your suggested title is the original Japanese title. That wouldn't work here. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:14, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Except series names have ended up being based on the Japanese names. Advanced Generation and Best Wishes best exemplify that. However, I still feel bucking the trend and going with either the full title (Pokemon Journeys: The Series) or “Journeys series”--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 23:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

:::::That's beside the point. If the English and Japanese names are different, then the wiki uses the English names. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
::::::How is it beside the point when I gave you the two examples that best show that your claim is wrong? [[Advanced Generation series]] and [[Best Wishes series]] are the article names, not redirects!--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 23:38, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Because Journeys is a totally different title from Pocket Monsters (2019) and therefore couldn't have been based on the latter. AG and BW's names are irrelevant for this case. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:42, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
::::::::What’s irrelevant is your goalpost moving. You made the claim “If the English and Japanese names are different, then the wiki uses the English names.” And I showed you that your claim was incorrect--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 23:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, if the English and Japanese names are identical, then of course the Japanese ones are going to be used because they're also the English names. But that isn't the case with this series. That's why I'm trying to say. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::The names I used as examples are ''not'' identical. Especially considering the English retronym for “Advanced Generation” has nothing to do with Advanced, your point is even weaker--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 23:56, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::::That's not what the AG article says. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::::First template, first line. Don’t lie.--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 00:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Look, I didn't see that at first. Please be more patient. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
While I agree with you Grammar Freak that the Best Wishes issue needs to be discussed on the BW page, Best Wishes series is not the English name for that series.  I also agree with you that Journeys Series with an epicode of PG001 is warranted, now that we have official English names.  
I think that this series ceases to be new within a few weeks of it airing, does it not?
So I think that if this change to eithe rPokemon Journeys the Series or else Journeys Series isn't made by mid June, then I fear that any arguments over what this page should be called are going to be endless, especially if the next series is not a continuation of the Journeys series.
Let's decide what to call this page soon and make this change by at least June 15th or June 20th at the absolute latest.  We can't keep this New Series and SS stuff forever lest you be willing to put up with endless arguments.  
I will see if there is a thread at the page for [[Talk:Best Wishes series]] and if not, then I'll start one and we can discuss the Black & White series vs. Best Wishes series name there.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 01:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

== Wrong Spanish name used (dropped La Serie)  ==

The Spanish title has dropped "La Serie" from the title (The Series). You can check it in the official YouTube trailer description: https://youtu.be/lhQxOIPf7-U (¡Comienza a prepararte para una nueva aventura de Ash y Pikachu en Viajes Pokémon!) and also in the official PR https://pokemon.gamespress.com/es/The-Pokemon-Company-International-desvela-el-nuevo-trailer-y-los-detal (Esta apasionante aventura llevará por título Viajes Pokémon.). In other languages, in both examples The Series is still included in the text, so it's only Spanish (and maybe other languages) that Dropped this part of the title. [[User:Josephvb10|Josephvb10]] ([[User talk:Josephvb10|talk]]) 17:57, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:It's still used in the title of the trailer and [https://www.pokemon.com/es/noticias-pokemon/la-serie-viajes-pokemon-llega-mas-adelante-este-ano/ the official site] as well as the logo in the same way that previous series have, so I don't think it's necessarily changed from past series. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 19:52, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
::Except it's not being used in either the trailer or the official site. As I said, the official trailer doesn't include The Series in the description nor in the logo at the end. And in the official website, the official title which is italicized only includes Viajes Pokémon, not another single word. In contrast, in other languages the italicized part includes The Series. [[User:Josephvb10|Josephvb10]] ([[User talk:Josephvb10|talk]]) 02:13, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

== Time for action on the change ==

Can somebody please tell me what we are waiting for here?
Is this going to be changed to Journeys series or Pokemon Journeys the Series or not? I know I said mid June as the latest date, but surely some discussions are still ongoing, there is a consensus that the name needs to change, so what exactly is the waiting for?
You can't justify waiting indefinitely.  
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 07:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:It's being discussed. Have patience. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
::There's more to this than just renaming a page you know. There are other issues to be resolved such as Epicodes. A June deadline isn't something you get to determine. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 19:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Maybe not Hoenn Master, but indefinitely is not good either. But what is good is the new epicode JN, that works excellently, I like it. [[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 02:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
::::We have completed the move from "SS" to "JN" today. The move for the Series will be done at a later date. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|<span style="color:#9932CC;">Ruixiang</span>]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|<span style="color:#FF8C00;">95</span>]]''' 03:24, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::I'm happy to see this move being. How soon can we expect the series article being renamed? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:53, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
::::::Should the rename happen today? [[User:Tag365|Tag365]] ([[User talk:Tag365|talk]]) 21:10, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
I also want to correct HoennMaster97, because I never said that bad things will happen nor am i  pretending I have ltimate authority for a June deadline, so I'm not trying to say you must do it by mid June, but what I am saying is that mid June is an ideal deadline at the latest.  Key word here is Ideal.  Maybe it'll happen in July, maybe August, but I meant to say that June is an ideal later deadline.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 09:10, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd @[[User:Tag365|Tag365]] say move it either today or soon to minimize the amount of articles effected, especially while ep count is relatively low.
The longer we wait the more articles will be effected and the more switchovers will have to be done.  That's the ohte rreason why I recommend doing it sooner rather than later, the headache will be lesser.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 21:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
:Please do not continue asking when the rename will take place. The rename will take place as soon as the necessary staff members involved are able to have time together to complete the task, which is at some point within the week. We know we all are excited to get the moves completed, but just a little more patience would be greatly appreciated. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]]''''' 21:59, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
::Sorry for tryingto help and save you headache while you wait for some Ausie guy to decide what to do.  You guys rely on abcboy far way too much, when he lives in a completely different time zone and therefore may not see thigns until day time his time wich is quite a few hours ahead of me here in Eastern Africa, and I'm 8 hours head of Central USA. [[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 23:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
:::If you wanna pay me a great wage to work fulltime on the site I'll gladly take you up on it! ^^
:::...In the meantime, please respect that people have their own schedules. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:43, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
::::If you’re all the way in Eastern Africa, and Abcboy uses Eastern Time, aren't you the one with the “completely different time zone” from Central Time, Vulture? Eastern is much more manageable with Central than any African time zone--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 00:49, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::I believe abcboy is in Australia, is he not? [[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 01:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
::::::His profile says he uses Eastern Time, and even his Twitter says he’s in the US. If you’re gonna rant, be accurate with your info.--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 02:01, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Well I'm not up on bulbapedia admins as I only come here some times, mostly when I get notifications.
I go weeks or even months without touching thigns here some times depending on my work schedule  I know one of the main dudes in charge is from Australia, one of the ones I'm always told to wait for before changing anything..
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 03:00, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
:Please stop this discussion immediately. It's starting to deviate from the topic. The moving of Series will take place soon, it's up to the admins to decide when will the move take place and who will be doing it. It has NOTHING to do with where abcboy lives. Fulfilling a big project requires help from a group of staff and not just a single admin. Also, since a change of large amount of information is to take place, it will strain the server. In order to prevent that from happening, we have to do the moving of SS to JN and the Series pages separately. The move WILL take place, just NOT at the very moment. Please wait patiently, thank you!
:Lastly, African Vulture, please indent your messages properly. A reply needs to have a <nowiki>:</nowiki> in the front of your messages. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|<span style="color:#9932CC;">Ruixiang</span>]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|<span style="color:#FF8C00;">95</span>]]''' 07:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)