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If a Pokémon came from the dream world with a special move (ex. a Tangela with Leech Seed), will that move be available to relearn if it is removed? [[User:SoItBegins|SoItBegins]] ([[User talk:SoItBegins|talk]]) 03:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC) | If a Pokémon came from the dream world with a special move (ex. a Tangela with Leech Seed), will that move be available to relearn if it is removed? [[User:SoItBegins|SoItBegins]] ([[User talk:SoItBegins|talk]]) 03:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC) | ||
== Actually Forgotten Moves == | |||
I just corrected the {{p|Eevee}} page, which erroneously stated that Swift was a starting move in Generation VI. I think what actually happened was that an Eevee was bred and the father knew Swift, meaning the resulting offspring also knew Swift. Why is this important? Because in Generation VI, if you delete a move that a Pokémon knows at a too-low level due to breeding, you can still "remember" it through the Move Reminder. For me, I noticed that Bite was in the list after I deleted it, and the Eevee was still level 1. --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 04:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
: Note that in Generation VI, Eevees naturally learn Swift at level 10 and can be found in the wild knowing it, so it's easy to pass down. And on a related tangent, it is being anecdotally reported that the Generation VI Move Reminder can teach egg moves (like {{m|Wish}} for Eevee) back to a Pokemon, but only if the Pokemon ''actually knew the move when it hatched''. This seems an interesting detail to note.... --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 19:59, 29 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
:: Right, it's the same deal. A hatched Eevee that knows, say, Bite, or Swift, then forgets it, can be taught it again at a Move Reminder. A hatched Eevee that did not know those moves cannot be "reminded" of them, and they'll need to reach the appropriate level to learn them. --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 16:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Egg Moves == | |||
Sorry about my edit. I had a moment of stupidity. Derp. [[User:Jwisser|Jwisser]] ([[User talk:Jwisser|talk]]) 21:06, 14 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
== A Question == | |||
I am wondering if a move reminder will work on a [[move]] a Pokémon learned at [[level]] 100. For an example, Mewtwo learns {{m|Psystrike}} at level 100. Or if a Pokémon is transferred to another [[generation]], will it be able to learn an old move on that generation. Thanks. ----[[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:Navy">Ethan</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 22:17, 15 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
:It's yes for the first question. For the second, is the old move a move it can learn through level up (or an egg move in Generation VI) in that generation? If so then yes, if not, no. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 22:22, 15 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Global Link Rewards == | |||
It should be noted that Heart Scales can be obtained in Generation VI by exchanging Poké Miles for them at the Pokémon Global Link website. [[User:NerfPlayeR135|NerfPlayeR135]] ([[User talk:NerfPlayeR135|talk]]) 20:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Heart Scales are already readily available in-game. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 20:40, 10 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Something Odd == | |||
I hatched an Oshawott that only knew Tackle, then took him to the Generation VI Move Reminder. It said that Oshawott could "relearn" Water Sport, even though it never knew the move. Any explanation? [[User:NerfPlayeR135|NerfPlayeR135]] ([[User talk:NerfPlayeR135|talk]]) 20:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Clarification on Moves Exclusive to Pre-Evolved Forms == | |||
Because it seems the mechanics have changed since last someone asked, If a Pokemon learns a move, evolves into a Pokemon that can't learn that move, and then forgets said move, Can it be reminded of it? I ask because you can now remember egg and event-exclusive moves (if said Pokemon had actually known them at some point), implying to me that the Move Reminder can now also literally remind Pokemon of any move they've ever learned; so while a Vaporeon that evolved before it learned Take Down as an Eevee obviously wouldn't be able to learn Take Down ''for the first time'', but could a Vaporeon that HAD learned Take Down as an Eevee before evolving use Move Reminder to relearn Take Down? [[User:Masternachos|Masternachos]] ([[User talk:Masternachos|talk]]) 17:13, 9 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
:Still no. My Ninetales knows Icy Wind, and cannot relearn it when it forgets it. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:27, 9 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
::Thank you. [[User:Masternachos|Masternachos]] ([[User talk:Masternachos|talk]]) 17:20, 10 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::When a Pokémon is generated as an Egg or obtained via Mystery Gift (or obtained with a special moves as hidden Pokémon/Island Scan Pokémon), there are four slots which can store moves that can be relearned as special moves from the Move Reminder. The special relearnable moves are only set when the Pokémon is obtained, so moves known by pre-evolutions are not included this way. | |||
:::However, if you were to breed a Pokémon with a female Vulpix that both knew Icy Wind, since the baby Vulpix will inherit the move Icy Wind rather than knowing it due to leveling up, I believe that even a Ninetales evolved from such a baby Vulpix would be able to relearn the move if it forgot it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:31, 11 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::So if I understand, Pokemon can remember egg moves they inherited because they're egg moves [that they were bred with], NOT simply because they're moves they actually knew. So if a Pokemon transferred from an earlier generation knows a move it can't learn this generation and forgets it, it is now forever lost, correct? [[User:Masternachos|Masternachos]] ([[User talk:Masternachos|talk]]) 17:45, 11 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::::Yes, that's correct. Although it's not only Egg Moves that can be taught again if forgotten, but any move that is inherited if bred in Gen VI onward (so including Volt Tackle and level-up moves known by both parents). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 01:22, 12 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
Maybe I missed it somehow the first time, but the way it is explained in the "Teachable Moves" sector is now (or always was?) very clear and precise, covering just about every possibility. [[User:Masternachos|Masternachos]] ([[User talk:Masternachos|talk]]) 19:30, 7 May 2017 (UTC) | |||
"Additionally, starting in Generation VI, a Pokèmon can be taught a move that it can not normally learn via level up if its previous evolution evolved into it knowing said move. For example, if a player evolves a {{p|Numel}} that knows {{m|Double-Edge}} into a {{p|Camerupt}}, that Camerupt will have access to Double-Edge if it ever forgets the move, even though it does not normally learn it." | |||
This latest edit seems to contradict all of what we know about the relearn moves mechanic and this whole discussion. Can we just be consistent here? --[[User:Flametix|Flametix]] ([[User talk:Flametix|talk]]) 13:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC) | |||
Agreed, Flametix. I just tested it in Gen VI, and the statement is incorrect. (Evolved Magneton into Magnezone, had it forget Tri Attack, then tried to reteach it Tri Attack, but was not able to.) Can someone test it in Gen VII? --[[User:Firepanda|Firepanda]] ([[User talk:Firepanda|talk]]) 12:46, 10 October 2018 (UTC) | |||
:In addition to my Ninetales' inability to relearn Icy Wind (which I already mentioned), I just tested that my Butterfree cannot relearn the level-up move Harden (SM), even though it was caught a level 3 Caterpie. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:28, 13 October 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Relearning moves known at evolution == | |||
BlueNinjaKoopa [[Special:Diff/2835175|added]] that if a Pokémon knows a move when it evolved, it can relearn this move if it forgets it (even if the move isn't in its normal movepool). The two examples given were Camerupt with Numel's Double-Edge and Raichu with Pikachu's Agility. | |||
I tested Pikachu/Raichu and Agility in Y, Alpha Sapphire, and Moon, and found that in all three cases this does not work. I ensured Pikachu knew Agility, evolved it, then replaced Agility with a TM. When I went to the Move Reminder, Agility was not an option to teach. This was not surprising, as Pokémon only have 4 Move Reminder slots, which are normally taken up by Egg Moves (and other inherited moves) or event moves (although [[DexNav|Hidden Pokémon]] and [[Island Scan]]'s special moves use these too). | |||
BlueNinjaKoopa, if you include some more details about the specific circumstances under which you observed Raichu being able to relearn Agility, it might be possible to identify specifically what the cause was. I apologize for not responding on my talk page when you left me a message there, but I think this is a better place to discuss it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:43, 29 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
:I can e-mail you proof that if a Pokemon evolves knowing a move that is exclusive to any of its pre-evolution, then later forgets that move, it can be re-learned. I made a mistake in the name; although I'm sure that if it did evolve knowing Agility it would have access to it, but the actual move is Charm, which is exclusive to Pichu in the evolutionary line. It doesn't get it from breeding. I can send you a picture via e-mail (uploading it here would violate image policy). <font face="Verdana">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">BNK</span>]]</font><sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]]</sup> 04:12, 30 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
:Also, the game I was playing was Ultra Sun, so maybe that is a very recent change to the mechanics. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">BNK</span>]]</font><sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]]</sup> 04:13, 30 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
::Okay, so assuming that your Pichu was bred, if both of Pichu's parents knew Charm, then Pichu would inherit the move Charm due to breeding because it's a level-up move for Pichu. (The move doesn't need to be an Egg Move to be inherited in this way.) In this case, the move is relearnable because Pichu inherited the move from its parents. If Pichu wasn't obtained by breeding, I'm not sure what the cause would be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 04:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::The Pichu was bred, but neither parent knew Charm. I used a female Pikachu with the Lightning Rod ability and a male Furret imported from Pokemon Silver on the 3DS Virtual Console. How do you explain that? <font face="Verdana">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">BNK</span>]]</font><sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]]</sup> 06:28, 30 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::Okay, so it seems that the mechanic is that ANY move a Pokémon knows when it hatches will be relearnable, regardless of how it knows the move (so not only inherited moves). This is actually already mentioned in the article (when it says "any Pokémon hatched in Generation VI onward may also be taught any move it knew when it hatched"), but the article doesn't emphasize that this includes any Level 1 moves the hatched Pokémon may happen to know. | |||
::::In Moon, I bred a Pichu, using two parents that did not know Charm. Because Charm is a Level 1 move for Pichu, it knew it upon hatching. I replaced Charm with a TM move, then evolved Pichu. After evolution I took it to the Move Reminder, and it could relearn Charm, despite the fact that it didn't know the move when it evolved. I tried this in Y, and got the same results. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:54, 30 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Extreme Speed Dragonite == | |||
Dragonite from Virtual Console Crystal transferred to Ultra Moon knew Extreme Speed. I then replaced Extreme Speed with a TM. Extreme Speed is not an option with the move reminder. Is this a special case? {{unsigned|BulbaBoy}} | |||
:The move reminder can only make a Pokémon remember moves it hatched with if they learned the move in generations VI or VII. Also, you should sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Suic12-|Suic]] ([[User talk:Suic12-|talk]]) 22:35, 9 July 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Teachable moves section == | |||
I think it's far less helpful than it could be. (There isn't really a template for this, so instead I'm posting this here directly.) | |||
I'd need to read that whole section to get to know what moves can be relearned, and I need a lot of prior/in-depth knowledge for that. I'm not even sure whether it's mentioning everything there is, or whether it's missing something or is being ambigious/fuzzy. Maybe there's a possibility to structure it better (chronologically? or with headings?), or to just use a table for the main part. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:41, 1 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
:I've added an overview table. It does oversimplify things a bit (especially with regards to event distributions, which only flag moves by convention), but the idea is that it's intended as a broad simplification with the details found in the text below. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:05, 2 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
::That's way better, thanks. (Actually, it makes me understand the structure of the text.) | |||
::Anyway, other "special moves" are not mentioned at all, which makes me wonder whether they're just not relearned, have not been tested, or are case by case? Gen III [[mass outbreak]]s, [[Pokéwalker]], and [[Pokémon Dream World]] come to mind; maybe there's more - I thought there was some list onwiki, but at least I couldn't find it.. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:37, 2 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::The ability to flag particular moves as relearnable was only added in Gen 6. As a result, special moves a Pokémon knows from earlier generations (like mass outbreaks or the Dream World) cannot be relearnable, just like Pokémon hatched from Eggs or received from events prior to Gen 6 cannot have any relearnable special moves. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 07:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::A while after I posted my questions, it occured to me that this has to be the case. For what I can tell, they would need to have added a structure that stores relearnable (non-level up) moves to the Pokemon data in Generation VI. And then it occurred to me that this needs to be somewhat dynamic! And while I wondered about how much space that structure may maximally occupy, I remembered [[List of glitches (Generation VIII)#Move Reminder glitches|that glitch]], which seems to be related. I don't know, but maybe there's even some RAM corruption involved when forgeting enough relearnable moves (not sure if there's a detailed explanation of that glitch out somewhere)!? | |||
::::Anyway, I may be trying to test what happens when a hatched Pokémon has more than four Egg moves, for I would assume it can relearn even those it didn't know when it hatched. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:10, 4 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::Tested in SwSh, and while the parents had a total of 5 of the offspring's Egg Moves, the hatched Pokémon cannot relearn the fifth move it did not hatch with. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::Yeah, after looking into it, methods appear to be stored separately/differently, and TRs appear to be stored with (a finite amount of) flags. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:02, 7 March 2021 (UTC) | |||