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==Feminine?==

Mismagius doesn't really look very feminine to me. Not like Misdreavus does. Wouldn't that piece of trivia be more accurate in the Misdreavus article? [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]]
: Not entirely; while it may not look feminine to you, it certainly does to others. It's like saying Honchrow isn't overtly masculine despite being based on a mafia godfather. I'm not here to start a petty edit-war (too late), I just think it's appropriate for the trivia section. [[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 15:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::Opinionated. Gardevoir is an exception. It most certainly DOES look like a woman, but Mismagius can go either way.[[User:Totodilesentret|<font color="blue">Totodile</font><font color="brown">sentret!</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Totodilesentret|<font color="gold">Talk to me.</font>]]</sup> 15:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::: What is above me is also an opinion, and Gardevoir can be seen as a masculine creature if the beholder wishes. My entire point is that this IS trivial, just a little quirk that's worth mentioning, especially now considering the circumstances. [[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 15:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Just for the record, there is a proper term for a male witch.  They're typically called "warlocks".  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, warlocks were typically more experienced, male witches. Males could be plain old witches too. Has ANYBODY here heard of the Salem Witch Trials?[[User:Totodilesentret|<font color="blue">Totodile</font><font color="brown">sentret!</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Totodilesentret|<font color="gold">Talk to me.</font>]]</sup> 17:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'm going to skip the opinion part of this war and just ask an honest question: Why does the idea of Mismagius being cosidred femanine disturb you so much? It's nothing more than simple trivia. [[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 17:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:Ending this. Now. Nobody cares if it looks masculine or feminine. That is NOT what users come to the page to find out. Instead of being very counterproductive, and trying to backseat-mod each other, direct your focus to any of the articles on this site that need work that DO NOT relate to what a Pokemon looks like. And honestly, this is coming from ME, a 21 year old guy who doesn't play Pokemon at all, but only joined so I could easier help my friend make a pokemon ROM hack. [[User:QTR|QTR]] 17:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, the "Mis" comes from Misdreavus's name, which is itself a pun on mischievous. Much like how Mumage comes from Muma. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's completely gender neutral now, you have no reason to remove this from now on. [[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 21:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::No, it said, "despite its appearance." That IS NOT gender neutral. It is an opinion.--[[User:Totodilesentret|<font color="blue">Totodile</font><font color="brown">sentret!</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Totodilesentret|<font color="gold">Talk to me.</font>]]</sup> 21:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::"Despite it's appearance" reflects that some see it as masculine (such as yourself) while others view it as being feminine. The wording is completely neutral because it hints to niether gender and only says that there is an equal chance of it being male or female.[[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 22:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::"Despite its appearance." Look at that. "Appearance" is how something looks. It DOES hint at it looking feminine, despite your claims to the contrary.--[[User:Totodilesentret|<font color="blue">Totodile</font><font color="brown">sentret!</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Totodilesentret|<font color="gold">Talk to me.</font>]]</sup> 22:11, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Unfortunately, dude, the majority crowd see it as gender-neutral. No one sees it as masculine, and only the kooks who wanna genderify everything see it as feminine. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Actually, I, in fact, DO see it as gender-neutral.--[[User:Totodilesentret|<font color="blue">Totodile</font><font color="brown">sentret!</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Totodilesentret|<font color="gold">Talk to me.</font>]]</sup> 22:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Then let's try this then? "Despite its appearance, Mismagmius has an equal chance of being male or female, and has traits of both." [[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 22:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Pretty much the same thing.--[[User:Totodilesentret|<font color="blue">Totodile</font><font color="brown">sentret!</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Totodilesentret|<font color="gold">Talk to me.</font>]]</sup> 22:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::That's an opinion.[[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 22:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::If it has traits of both, and has an equal chance of being either, then... what does it matter? The Pichu species has equal chance of being male or female and has traits of both. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::If anything and everything we say is just opinion, all that you're saying is just an opinion. OR IS THAT JUST MY OPINION?!?! But, look, here's the deal.  I'll remove the qualifier from TS's comment.  It is, substantially, the same thing.  You mention the "despite its appearance," which implies that its appearance means a gender.  Also, http://xkcd.com/386/. Let it go.  -- '''[[User:evkl|<span style="color:#000099">evkl</span>]]''' <sub>[[User_talk:evkl|<span style="color:#006699">(need to talk?)</span>]]</sub> 22:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Its going to have a gender because the reader will it it looks more like X than Y, (which is exactly how this started) similar to whats going on with Mewtwo; No mater what someone think, they are going to subconsciously assign any given pokemon a gender despite what their game data says, and even if it's based on an inanimate object like magnamite.[[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 22:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. Based off Opinion. Heck, i think it looks like a Dude. so can i put that up? NO. its an opinion. cope with the fact that not everyone shares your opinion, its not trivia. NOT SOLID FACT[[User:DCM]] 22:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::If I cared that people disagreed with me I'd die from stress the very next morning, an it's your oinion that it's an opinion which is an opinion in itself. In short: I'll never stop until it stays there, and none of you even have a reason to fight me as I've made it more than evident that I'm willing to re-write it until it comes across clearly that despite looking blatantly male or female to whomever sees it, it has defining traits of either.[[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 22:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:Then have fun being banned. Youve been told by admins to stop, and you persist. Have fun watching as the page is fixed.[[User:DCM]] 23:01, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I'll spare you the details and just state the fact: You can NEVER be banned from any website, as computer access is everywhere. And second, look before you leap, as I've been fighting to GET the trivia on the page, not keep it there (yet).[[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 23:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:You are refering to sockpuppeting so every time to tryt you will be block so yes DCM is right in one way but you cannot be banned from the site only banned from editing.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#007FFF;">'''☆Cool'''</span>]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#FFBA00;">'''ピカチ'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#FFBA00;">'''ュウ!'''</span>]] 23:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:Theyll ban your account. Your response? Make another,  you edit again, and then that account is blocked. your IP is blocked. the page will be protected. Yeah. Thats just not going to work.[[User:DCM]] 23:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
===Arbitrary section break===
Guys. Stop. Fossil, the consensus on ''every'' page is to include no opinions. Saying that something ''looks'' like something is an opinion; it is something that may or may not be seen the same way by another party. We won't have any of it, because it is not the truth. And, as an administrator, I echo the above sentiments. If you sockpuppet, we will find you. Don't waste your time. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 23:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:The only reason Gardevoir's page is free from it anyway is that Gallade exists. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

===Compromise===
How about something like "even though it is based on a witch, 50% of Mismagius are male".  [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 13:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:The point is moot, as males could be witches, too. Jeez. Salem Witch Trials? Several suspected witches were male? Anyone?--[[User:Totodilesentret|<font color="blue">Totodile</font><font color="brown">sentret!</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Totodilesentret|<font color="gold">Talk to me.</font>]]</sup> 13:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
== Miasma ==

Miasma is a fictional poisonous gas, mentioned in popular video games like Final Fantasy and Dwarf Fortress. Am I the only one who sees the name of Mismagius as a play on Miasma? <small>- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Zzzdude}} ([[User talk:Zzzdude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zzzdude|contribs]]) ''</small>
:Yep. Sign your posts next time. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 08:09, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

== No moves by levelling up? ==

The "by levelling up" chart only has "start" moves. Does Mismagius really not learn moves, or has someone not quite finished the page? [[User:Niesse|Niesse]] 07:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
:It doesn't learn any moves by level up outside of those start moves. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 07:32, 19 November 2009 (UTC))

== Backsprite ==

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The normal 4th generation backsprite has a bunch of random dark-purple pixels on it. Does anyone else see them, and why are they there? {{unsigned|Flyingtypefan}}

== Mumargi or Mumage? ==

While Bulbapedia lists ''Mumargi'' as the trademarked romaji, ''Mumage'' is used in several Bulbapedia articles. Is this deliberate? [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 14:41, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
:[http://cdn-ak.f.st-hatena.com/images/fotolife/E/Enperuto/20120813/20120813154607.jpg It's Mumargi.] The pages that use Mumage do so because nobody changed them when the official romanization was found.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 14:51, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

==Torso==
I would just like to say that the "round lump" midway down Mismagius's neck is actually a torso. If it had limbs, that's where they would be.
[[User:Sirspykerks|Sirspykerks]] ([[User talk:Sirspykerks|talk]]) 17:18, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
:That's a big guess. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:28, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
::It's more accurate than a "circular lump." Considering the "skirt" at the bottom of the design, Mismagius is an armless hourglass-shape humanoid figure. [[User:Sirspykerks|Sirspykerks]] ([[User talk:Sirspykerks|talk]]) 19:56, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see where the confusion comes from now. That's not a skirt, that's more patterned after a cloak or robe. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:35, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
:I feel stupid now, but thanks for clearing that up:  :) [[User:Sirspykerks|Sirspykerks]] ([[User talk:Sirspykerks|talk]]) 21:50, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

==Mumargi?==
Is it possible the kanji don't translate to Mumarji, but rather, Mumaji? Mumarji doesn't make much sense, and Mumaji could be adding "magi" (the plural form of the word "magus" which was then translated as "mage" somewhere down the line? It would also make more sense if it was a mix of Muma and Magic, since there's no r in magic. It could also thus be a mix of "majin" or devil. Finally, when I ran the kanji through Google Translate (yes, I know, not reliable, but where did Mumarji come from? Is there a source for that translation that I missed?) it translated it to "
Muumāji". Thoughts? --[[User:MiasmicSiren|MiasmicSiren]] ([[User talk:MiasmicSiren|talk]]) 00:16, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Update: I saw the...I'm not even sure what it is, but, are we sure that thing is official? It looks more like some fanart, which is probably mistranslated. Even the note when hovering over the kanji says Muumāji. --[[User:MiasmicSiren|MiasmicSiren]] ([[User talk:MiasmicSiren|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Update 2: Huh, so it's just the quality, and it's an official page of a manga. Guessing one of the Colored Scroll ones? Well, now I know.--[[User:MiasmicSiren|MiasmicSiren]] ([[User talk:MiasmicSiren|talk]]) 06:36, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
:The official romanizations are used fairly universally. The [https://assets.pokemon.com//assets/cms2-en-uk/pdf/play-pokemon/rules/wc12-battle-dictionary.pdf Worlds 2012 Battle Dictionary] contains the official romanizations for every Pokémon that exists in Generation V (except Mythical Pokémon introduced in Generation V), if you're ever uncertain about whether a particular romanization is official.
:Google Translate will only ever give you the Hepburn romanization (in the transliteration section) and possibly some kind of guess at a translation (which is not what we're interested in here). The official romanizations are chosen by The Pokémon Company to reflect the etymology of the Pokémon names. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 07:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC)