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[[User:Bill33421|Bill33421]] 19:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
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:It's still a way to obtain Mew, and it can be done without cheating. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">S</span><span style="color: red">h</span><span style="color: brown">i</span><span style="color: red">n</span><span style="color: brown">y</span> <span style="color: red">N</span><span style="color: brown">o</span><span style="color: red">c</span><span style="color: brown">t</span><span style="color: red">o</span><span style="color: brown">w</span><span style="color: red">l</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">T</span><span style="color: red">a</span><span style="color: brown">l</span><span style="color: red">k</span>]] | [[User:Shiny Noctowl/Fun|<span style="color: brown">F</span><span style="color: red">u</span><span style="color: brown">n</span>]]</sup>[[Image:224MS.gif]] 20:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:It's still a way to obtain Mew, and it can be done without cheating. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">S</span><span style="color: red">h</span><span style="color: brown">i</span><span style="color: red">n</span><span style="color: brown">y</span> <span style="color: red">N</span><span style="color: brown">o</span><span style="color: red">c</span><span style="color: brown">t</span><span style="color: red">o</span><span style="color: brown">w</span><span style="color: red">l</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">T</span><span style="color: red">a</span><span style="color: brown">l</span><span style="color: red">k</span>]] | [[User:Shiny Noctowl/Fun|<span style="color: brown">F</span><span style="color: red">u</span><span style="color: brown">n</span>]]</sup> 20:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
::Correction: without a using a cheat device.  Most would consider abusing a glitch to be the same as cheating.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 23:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
::Correction: without a using a cheat device.  Most would consider abusing a glitch to be the same as cheating.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 23:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


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::But it's kinda... I dunno, it's a glitch. Abusing glitches also means that Missingno shouldn't be here. People visit him on the side of Cinnabar to get 128 (or something~) Rare Candies and Master Balls. [[User:Tina|Tina]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]</sup> 03:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::But it's kinda... I dunno, it's a glitch. Abusing glitches also means that Missingno shouldn't be here. People visit him on the side of Cinnabar to get 128 (or something~) Rare Candies and Master Balls. [[User:Tina|Tina]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]</sup> 03:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Given the nature of Mew's availability, it's just nice to have something in the table other than "Trade". --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 10:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Given the nature of Mew's availability, it's just nice to have something in the table other than "Trade". --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 10:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Maybe instead "Nintendo event"? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span>{{ani|155|Fire echy}}<span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 02:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Maybe instead "Nintendo event"? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 02:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::It's worth adding in even if it comes under glitchs or somthing! -- [[User:Awar|Awar]] 14:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC).
:::::It's worth adding in even if it comes under glitchs or somthing! -- [[User:Awar|Awar]] 14:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC).
::::::Imma add just 'Nintendo event'. Feel free to revert. [[User:Tina|Tina]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]</sup> 18:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::Imma add just 'Nintendo event'. Feel free to revert. [[User:Tina|Tina]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]</sup> 18:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Oh lol. >> It's already have been done. Er... heh. [[User:Tina|Tina]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]</sup> 18:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Oh lol. >> It's already have been done. Er... heh. [[User:Tina|Tina]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]</sup> 18:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
~--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 13:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
=== Later discussion ===
The Mew Glitch is a perfectly legitimate way to capture Mew, considering the fact that [[Shigeki Morimoto]] programmed it in on purpose.
[[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]])
:He didn't program in the Mew glitch; he programmed in the Pokemon Mew itself. The glitch is not intrinsically related to Mew itself; it was only named as such because it happened to become famous for being a non-hacking way to obtain Mew. It doesn't belong in the Game Locations section because literally every Generation I Pokemon (and, to my knowledge, every Gen I glitch Pokemon as well) can be obtained via the glitch. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:36, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 13:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
== I must be insane.... ==
== I must be insane.... ==


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:Oh gosh... my brain hurts now... we need to find the factual dates and fix it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:Oh gosh... my brain hurts now... we need to find the factual dates and fix it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
::Just because it was submitted doesn't mean it was granted. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::Just because it was submitted doesn't mean it was granted. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:::This keeps coming up (in outside contexts), so I'm going to leave this on the talk page in case anyone looking for more information on the trademark looks here:
:::The 1990 trademark for ミュー belonged to the Yokohama Rubber Company, as the katakana rendering of the Greek letter Mu. Game Freak acquired this trademark in 1999 (after they had already trademarked ミュウ). This page previously mentioned the trademark, but it was removed [[Special:Diff/2929673|in February 2019]] when it was realised that the claim was incorrect. For more information, see [https://twitter.com/helixchamber/status/1063070803531567104 this Helix Chamber tweet], which include screenshots of the trademark filings. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:22, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


== Role Play Mew ==
== Role Play Mew ==
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:Only the trademark was issued in 1990. [[Satoshi Tajiri]] or someone else may have conceived Mew as a [[Capsule Monsters]] design (development on this first began in 1990), but there doesn't seem to be any evidence to prove that (at least no one seems to have access to the other 200+ 'Capumon' sketches). Capsule Monsters was actually quite a different concept to the game that would eventually become Pokémon, as the player was meant to live alongside Pokémon and players would rely on them (for example, they would use {{p|Lapras}} for transport) and they would help each other with tasks, as opposed to training them or collecting them for use in battle. The player was going to fight by himself at one point. (my source are some interviews translated by [http://www.glitterberri.com Glitterberri], but the site is unfortunately down at the moment). Mew could have also been something entirely different at the time.
:Only the trademark was issued in 1990. [[Satoshi Tajiri]] or someone else may have conceived Mew as a [[Capsule Monsters]] design (development on this first began in 1990), but there doesn't seem to be any evidence to prove that (at least no one seems to have access to the other 200+ 'Capumon' sketches). Capsule Monsters was actually quite a different concept to the game that would eventually become Pokémon, as the player was meant to live alongside Pokémon and players would rely on them (for example, they would use {{p|Lapras}} for transport) and they would help each other with tasks, as opposed to training them or collecting them for use in battle. The player was going to fight by himself at one point. (my source are some interviews translated by [http://www.glitterberri.com Glitterberri], but the site is unfortunately down at the moment). Mew could have also been something entirely different at the time.


:Yes, Mew was a "last minute" addition to {{2v2|Red|Green}}. It may have been an early design, but was actually programmed into the game very lately. Unlike {{2v2|Red|Blue}}, there isn't much free space available in Red and Green, because it's only a 512KB cartridge. According to an [http://web.archive.org/web/20101125182143/http://nintendodsi.com/iwata-asks-chapter.jsp?interviewId=6&volumeId=1&chapterId=1 Iwata Asks interview] around the development of {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, there were some debugging features remaining in the game, so Morimoto removed those features to create 300 bytes of free space, and then placed some data for Mew in there. This may be supported by the [[Pokémon base stats data structure in Generation I#Storage|Pokémon base stats structure]], in which Mew's base stats are stored at offset 0x00425B. The base stats data normally follow on by Pokédex entry at 0x0383DE starting from {{p|Bulbasaur}}, yet Mew's base stats data do not follow on from {{p|Mewtwo}}. They do, however in {{game|Yellow}}. I suspect it's probably the same case in Red and Green, though I haven't checked. I personally believe Mew replaced one of the Missingno. occupying index number 15 (0x0F). --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:26, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, Mew was a "last minute" addition to {{2v2|Red|Green}}. It may have been an early design, but was actually programmed into the game very lately. Unlike {{2v2|Red|Blue}}, there isn't much free space available in Red and Green, because it's only a 512KB cartridge. According to an [http://web.archive.org/web/20101125182143/http://nintendodsi.com/iwata-asks-chapter.jsp?interviewId=6&volumeId=1&chapterId=1 Iwata Asks interview] around the development of {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, there were some debugging features remaining in the game, so Morimoto removed those features to create 300 bytes of free space, and then placed some data for Mew in there. This may be supported by the [[Pokémon base stats data structure in Generation I#Storage|Pokémon base stats structure]], in which Mew's base stats are stored at offset 0x00425B. The base stats data normally follow on by Pokédex entry at 0x0383DE starting from {{p|Bulbasaur}}, yet Mew's base stats data do not follow on from {{p|Mewtwo}}. They do, however in {{game|Yellow}}. I suspect it's probably the same case in Red and Green, though I haven't checked. I personally believe Mew replaced one of the Missingno. occupying index number 21 (0x15). --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:26, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::Chances are Mew was designed well before the time it was put in the game. We already know that Missingno. used to be real Pokémon; Mew was likely one of the deleted 50, then undeleted. Plus, the fact that Mewtwo existed certainly implies it did too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 
Don't forget that Mew is mentioned in the diaries in Pokemon Mansion.  I highly doubt those diaries were programmed into the game at the last minute. Also, Mew had to be the basis of the name and design of Mewtwo, which I also doubt was programmed into the game at the last minute. I suspect the concept for Mew was created already, but not created ''in the game'' until the last minute. [[User:Ritabuuk|Ritabuuk]] ([[User talk:Ritabuuk|talk]]) 00:36, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 
Also, this quote is incorrectly attributed.  The exact quote from the article, in answer to "What is your favorite Pokemon?" is:  "SM: Mew.  I created Mew two weeks before we were finished developing the original Pokemon game.  I owe a lot to Mew." SM being Shigeki Morimoto.  I will correct this. [[User:Ritabuuk|Ritabuuk]] ([[User talk:Ritabuuk|talk]]) 00:36, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 
== Reveal? ==
 
Does anyone remember the date Mew was officially revealed by Nintendo? - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] 18:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:April 1996, in [[CoroCoro]] as part of the Legendary Pokémon Offer. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
::I think this information should be included in the article. The specific date would be 15 April 1996, then? - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] 16:09, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Not sure about the 15 part. It is possible that CoroCoro have changed their release day in the past 16 years. However, I do agree with adding it to the article. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:22, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 
== Trivia 2 ==
 
"Though it comes after Mewtwo in the Pokédex, it has to have been discovered before Mewtwo, due to the fact that Mewtwo is Mew's clone."
 
it doesn't have to have been discovered SCIENTFICIALLY (what the pokedex is based off, research by proffessors), a lot of the experts were sceptical of its existence thinking it was a mirage.
 
mewtwo was formed out of a piece of Mew's DNA, some form of feather thing, which means it would of been studied before Mew - Camero56
:It was an eyelash. And If they were to study Mewtwo, they would have had to have studied Mew's DNA first to be able to clone it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:17, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 
== Diet? ==
 
First, the article says that Mew looks like an animal called a jerboa (which it does), then it says that no terrestrial creature resembles it.I'm confused... NavyTheGlitch 01:06, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 
== You can trade Mew in Pokémon Diamond ==
So it says that you can only get a Mew from Pokémon Ranch in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, this is not entirely true. I got my Mew from Pokémon Ranch, then I cloned it using the Pokémon Ranch clone trick. Then I went and put one of the Mews up for trade on the GTS and was able to trade it for another Pokémon of my choosing. It seems though that I can only trade a Mew to a trainer in Japan. I'm testing now to see if someone can send me a Mew from Japan. I'll fill you all in when it either does or doesn't happen. But, you definitely can trade a Mew to someone in Japan. That I know for sure. --[[User:Bokeatong|Bokeatong]] ([[User talk:Bokeatong|talk]]) 23:33, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 
You can trade a Mew in any country it seems. Both GTS and Union Hall. --[[User:Bokeatong|Bokeatong]] ([[User talk:Bokeatong|talk]]) 07:02, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
== Unneeded info ==
As you can see, on where you can find Mew in Generation I, crazox99 has added some unneeded info as he was told not to do so and since I can't remove it, I would like to ask if someone could remove the unneeded info that would make Bulbapedia look bad to the people look at the info on the articles. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 23:18, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
:That was reverted hours ago. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 
== Move tutors ==
 
"mew can learn ''every'' move tutor move except for these 9." to me that just seems a bit silly [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 19:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
:Those nine aren't quite Move Tutor moves in the same way that all the others are. Those nine are exclusive to a very restricted subset of Pokemon, almost like [[signature move]]s (which some of them actually are, though most are not).  Saying "all except this special type of Tutor" is briefer and just as informative as the long list you can see by hitting "show". Although I agree, it'd sound nicer if we categorized those nine moves as a distinct subset of Move Tutor moves and just said "Mew can learn every Move Tutor move except {{red link|restricted Move Tutor moves}}" (or whatever we decide to call that subset). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:09, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 
== Mew Back Sprite DPPT ==
 
Mew's back sprite in Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum features Mew with yellow/cream circles on the soles of its feet. In HeartGold and SoulSilver, these are purple. Should the alternate back sprite not be provided below at the bottom of the sprite section, as has been done with many other Pokémon with back sprite changes between games in the same generation?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 00:22, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 
== Google Pokédex ==
 
Is Mew the only Legendary Pokémon that is part of the April Fools' Day 2014's Google Pokédex, or it's not notable? --[[User:Cinday123|<span style="color:pink">Cinday123</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Cinday123|<span style="color:lightblue">Talk</span>]])''</small> 03:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 
== Black2 White2 Locations? ==
 
Is there a reason that Black and White have two entries each in the in-game locations sections, yet Black2 and White2 are not entered? I do not have the black 2 or white 2 games, so I do not know where/if they can be found in those games. Could someone please enter those? Unless there is some reason for this that I am missing... [[User:8ulb|8ulb]] ([[User talk:8ulb|talk]]) 15:39, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
:It was a typo. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 15:58, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 
== New 20th Anniversary Artwork ==
 
Since it is clearly Sugimori artwork, and colored/shaded in the style of Game Artwork, should we make it the new artwork of the page? This would be the precedent for all the other Mythical Pokémon as well, who will presumably get their solo artwork posted as well. Thoughts? (Also, it's the cutest Mew artwork to date.)
 
--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 05:50, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
:No. The artwork used in the infobox is always the current main game artwork (except for special dates, as noted at the top of each species talk page when applicable). At this time, the artwork is simply promotional for the 20th Anniversary event, not their main artwork. If the promotional artwork for all of the 20th Anniversary Mythical Pokémon eventually become their official main artwork, only then they will be used as the head image in the infobox. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 19:20, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
::Well, I'm perfectly fine with proposing we discuss the rest of the Mythical Pokémon but I didn't really bring it up since this is just Mew's page.--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 06:44, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 
== Mew only obeys when caught in specific place ==
 
i have a very dumb question
if im playing pokemon emerald and i change mew from their original island to, say, the starting town, and i catch them, will they still not obey, even if theyre practically the same? does it really need to be in their specific place to be considered 'legit'?
[[User:Mopbop|Mopbop]] ([[User talk:Mopbop|talk]]) 02:09, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
:It needs to be considered a [[fateful encounter]]. That's [[Pokémon data substructures in Generation III#Ribbons and Obedience|a separate flag]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:19, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 
== Sun and Moon Pokedex entries? ==
 
Shouldn't there be new Pokedex entries from Sun and Moon? Do we just not have them due to nobody has contributed them? Can't find them elsewhere online either, for Mew or Mewtwo. [[User:Avigor|Avigor]] ([[User talk:Avigor|talk]]) 03:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
:They don't have any, just like the island scan Pokemon. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 03:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
::Sun and Moon do not have a National Pokedex, and the [[List of Pokémon by Alola Pokédex number|regional 'dex]] does not include those Pokemon. So they don't have new entries. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:24, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 
 
== Another possibility for the 1990 ミュー trademark ==
Didn't see this mentioned anywhere on this discussion page yet, so I figured I'd bring it up.  On the topic of the name trademarks... do we know ''for sure'' if the trademark submitted in 1990 even has anything to do with Pokémon?  Like... was the "ミュー" trademark submitted along with other early Pokémon names like the ones seen in some of the early art/beta screenshots, things related to the older "Capsule Monsters" title, or something along those lines?
I ask because there's another Nintendo creature that the "ミュー" trademark could've been for -- there was an enemy named "Myu" in Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link, which released in 1987 in Japan and 1988 in the US.  That enemy's name is written as "ミュー" in Japanese according to the Zelda wiki ([https://zeldawiki.org/The_Adventure_of_Link_Translations/Enemies]), just like the 1990 trademark. [[User:FnrrfYgmSchnish|FnrrfYgmSchnish]] ([[User talk:FnrrfYgmSchnish|talk]]) 09:11, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 
== Including Mew Game Location for Let's Go Eevee And Pikachu ==
 
The Pokeball plus comes with Mew on purchase according to the website and I think that's good evidence for the Pokeball plus to be apart of the Game Locations under Lets Go Pikachu And Eevee.
 
https://pokeballplus.nintendo.com/ {{unsigned|PixelBytes}}
:Game location info gets added after the games are released.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 11:51, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
 
== Mew's Name Origin ==
 
In biological sciences worldwide, the Greek letter 'μ' (Mu) is used to represent the genetic mutation rate of a given population of organisms under various conditions.
Wouldn't it make more sense to suggest that Mew's name is derived from μ? 
 
Granted, it's probably not incorrect to suggest that it's a derivative of 'mutant' or 'mutation', as that's no doubt why μ was chosen to represent this particular calcuation, but the connection to μ seems much cleaner and more likely. {{unsigned|Wixenstyx}}
:I kind of like that. It fits in with Mew's theme, and it sounds like its name. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 21:00, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 
 
== Bart ==
 
This isn't very important important (perhaps trivia), but I'm surprised to see no mention of the unused Mew trade in Yellow Version. [[Pokémon Yellow beta#Unused in-game trades]]. The Mew's English name is Bart, which I'm guessing is a play on the name Bartholomew. [[User:Dannyjenn|D]] ([[User talk:Dannyjenn|talk]]) 13:10, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 
== Pokemon Red/Green Pokedex entry ==
 
Since there were different entries in Red and Green (later used in Fire Red and Leaf Green) I think they also should be written in the Pokedex section.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 20:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
:Could you post a source and/or what the different dex entries say? --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 02:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
::I mean, Japanese Pokemon Red/Green and Japanese Pokemon Blue had different Pokedex entries for all generation 1 Pokemon. English Pokemon Red/Blue took some of them from each Japanese version. The other was later used as Fire Red. I don't have any whole list, but you can see on each Pokemon's page on japanese site [https://wiki.ポケモン.com/wiki/%E3%83%9F%E3%83%A5%E3%82%A6] what entries appeared in which game.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 17:40, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:::Wait, so what English Pokedex information are we missing, in that case? I'm a little confused on what you'd like to add. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 21:15, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
::::Not English. I was thinking about "Blue Jp" or "Red/Green" entry that didn't make it to the English games until generation 3.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 22:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:::::We're an English wiki, so only the English dex entries go in the templates. (edit) Also, are you trying to imply that the Gen III dex entries are valid English versions for Japanese Blue and Green? Because that's not how that works...--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 04:48, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
::::::Yes, we're on English wiki and we always mention stuff that are present in the Japanese version especially when they don't make it to the translation. And to your edit, I don't know how valid you want them to be, I would personally see them written in {{tt|japanese|with English translation}}, but they are literally the same copy-pasted entry as in Fire Red.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 12:07, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
:::::::Putting aside the idea of putting Japanese dex entries in the article... how is Mew any different than any other Gen I Pokemon in this sense? --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 18:07, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
::::::::It isn't. I meant it for every Pokemon from generation 1.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 21:00, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::Just so we're on the same page, what you want is a section for Green/Japanese Blue with the ''English'' dex entries from FR/LG? Because that's how I interpreted your suggestion and that's what I meant by "not valid". Just because FR/LG has English dex entries for those, does not mean Green/Japanese Blue magically have English dex entries, that's not how that works.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 04:54, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 
{| align=center
| style="background-color: #{{Red color}}; color: white; text-align:center; {{roundy|10px}}" width=80px | '''Red (Jp)'''
| style="border: 1px solid #{{Kanto color}}; {{roundy|10px}}" rowspan=2 width=600px | {{tt|みなみアメリカに せいそくする ぜつめつしたはずの ポケモン。ちのうがたかく なんでも おぼえる。|A Pokémon of South America that was thought to have been extinct. It is very intelligent and learns any move.}}
|-
| style="background-color: #{{Green color}}; color: white; text-align:center; {{roundy|10px}}" width=80px | '''Green'''
|}
::::::::::This is what I mean. I was probably mistaken, all entries from Blue Jp seem to be used in Red/Blue, and the ones from Red/Green didn't appear until FireRed.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 18:21, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::In that case, we're an English wiki so only the English entries gets on the template. Yes, we do have Japanese text here and there, but those are case by case, and in this case, I don't see why we need them.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 05:28, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::::Why not? And I hope more people will share their opinion on that.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 14:31, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::::If you're still asking me "why not?", then you clearly didn't read my previous response.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 15:59, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::::::You said there are cases where we use japanese text sometimes, and you said it is not needed in this case. I am asking why is that? You didn't really answer that.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 16:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Because we don't need them. We're an English wiki, so we use the English dex entries.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 16:31, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::But then we're missing information about entries from Red/Green.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 16:36, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
{{indent}}I don't really see the difference between including Japanese Pokedex entries and, say, Japanese Gym Leader quotes. Where is the line drawn? --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 00:39, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:It looks that, in the past, we used to keep Japanese Pokédex entries when new games had been released just in Japanese, not in English yet. For instance, please see [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pikachu_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&oldid=1337701#Pok.C3.A9dex_entries_4 this old 2011 revision of the Pokédex section] from the Pikachu article. It contains this Pokédex text from Pokémon Black and White: "{{tt|よわった　なかまの　ピカチュウに　でんきをながし　ショックをあたえて　げんきを　わけることも　ある。|It occasionally uses an electric shock to recharge a fellow Pikachu that is in a weakened state.}}".
:Team Rocket Grunt seems to be proposing something along these lines, adding Japanese Pokédex entries for Pokémon Red and Green because they don't correspond with English G1 games.
:However, on the other hand, it looks like all the G1 Pokédex entries have been translated either in G1 itself or in FRLG. So, instead of adding Japanese text, maybe we could at least explain the localization changes like this in the Pokémon articles:
:* In the Japanese {{game|Red and Green|s}}, each Pokémon shares the same Pokédex entry. This entry was left untranslated in the localized [[Generation I]] games, until it was reused in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Pokémon FireRed]] and localized into other languages.
:* In the Japanese [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Pokémon Blue]], a new Pokédex entry was introduced for each Pokémon. This entry was translated for both {{game|Red and Blue|s}}, and also reused in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Pokémon LeafGreen]] (sometimes with minor wording changes in the latter).
:* The {{jpn|Pokémon Stadium|Japanese Pokémon Stadium}} was not released in English, but it uses the same Pokédex entries as the later game {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}}.
:--[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 02:07, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
::Those can be explained on the Generation I article or the individual game articles. No need to repeat that 151 times.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 05:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:::Having that written on each Pokemon's page would fix the issue for me, but as ForceFire pointed out, the same exact text would always be better wrote once. How about using later translation and note that it haven't been officially localized?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 10:20, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
::::Assuming the RG Pokédex entries hadn't been recycled and translated, then I'm definitely with Rocket Grunt (add Japanese entries with "fan-made" tooltip translations). (That's basically what that Pikachu was at that point.)
::::But now that they have, we could probably also have [[User:Abcboy#Pokédex entry recycling|this]] somewhere in the mainspace, and call it a day.
::::(Also worth noting that I think Celadonkey has a good point, though it is my understanding that, generally, something/anything is still canon and worth covering even without any localization.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 
==Mew's Name Origin==
i think mew name comes from what cats say meow. which is sometimes righted mew ([[User:Helperman|Helperman]] ([[User talk:Helperman|talk]]) 14:34, 16 December 2021 (UTC))
:In fact, [https://www.liberation.fr/apps/2016/06/pokemon/ there's evidence] that that's not the case. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Basically that says "well they say ''nya'' in Japanese", which is true, but they do know the Anglicism "mew". Mew looks feline enough. If Japanese writers don't know the English onomatopoeia "mew", why is there a manga about a catgirl named "Tokyo Mew Mew"? (''東京ミュウミュウ'')[[User:Lmoamemesxd|Lmoamemesxd]] ([[User talk:Lmoamemesxd|talk]]) 02:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 
==Mew giving birth==
Maybe it layed an egg? ----[[User:DHP613|<span style="color:#337AFF">'''D'''</span><span style="color:#337AFF">HP</span>]][[User talk:DHP613|<span style="color:#7E7E7E">'''6'''</span><span style="color:#7E7E7E">13</span>]] 23:34, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 
==Recurring Mew==
Should the recurring mew from the anime get its own page? What are the requirements for that? ----[[User:DHP613|<span style="color:#337AFF">'''D'''</span><span style="color:#337AFF">HP</span>]][[User talk:DHP613|<span style="color:#7E7E7E">'''6'''</span><span style="color:#7E7E7E">13</span>]] 17:10, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 
== Re: Cat origin ==
 
So as of right now the article states that Mew appears to be based on domestic cats. Imo this is both too confident and not very accurate when looking at both the finer details and concept of the creature.
 
'''Points in favor of cat:'''
 
- The ears and face shape (although flat faces and small ears are common traits of prenatal mammals)
 
- The legs and feet, supposedly (to me these are not very cat-like as far as mammal legs go and are closer to something like a kangaroo or a rabbit)
 
- The long tail (again, there are more similar matches like the jerboa)
 
'''Points against:'''
 
- It has been officially stated to be based on Mewtwo's design, who is only cat-like if you really squint at it
 
- Its name is confirmed to not be based on a cat's meow/mew
 
- In-universe, it shares genetic traits of all Pokémon
 
The second list, to me, is stronger and is in favor of it being based on just a generalized embryonic or fetal creature, with no specific type of animal having any extra weight. This is clear in the original sprite and I do not believe Sugimori's softening of its features changes the design intent.
At the very least, "appears to be" is too strong of an assessment when we have Seel, a more clear-cut example of animal-to-Pokémon, using the "may be based on" wording.
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