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I rendered the scan of Soul (I guess that's what we're all calling her now) if you want to use it... | I rendered the scan of Soul (I guess that's what we're all calling her now) if you want to use it... | ||
:The top of her head's cut off. Can you fix that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 01:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC) | :The top of her head's cut off. Can you fix that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 01:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Um....shouldn't we wait until a REAL source gives her name? Or has one been given? --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 03:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC) | ::Um....shouldn't we wait until a REAL source gives her name? Or has one been given? --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 03:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:::Either way, we needed a name for her page and we couldn't really name her "That girl who replaced Kris causing all the fans to whine (game)". '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 07:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC) | :::Either way, we needed a name for her page and we couldn't really name her "That girl who replaced Kris causing all the fans to whine (game)". '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 07:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
I really think for the time being we should call her the "Un-named female trainer", or something like that. Besides, we can't assume her name based on what [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen | I really think for the time being we should call her the "Un-named female trainer", or something like that. Besides, we can't assume her name based on what [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|one generation]] did.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 15:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
:The name is pretty much a place-holder (no user is going to be willing to search something like "Un-named female trainer" just to find the this article) at this point, which is why it is clearly tagged in the article to avoid confusion. And if the precedent from gen III holds, the article will have already had its proper name, and if not, it can very easily be corrected. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 15:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC) | :The name is pretty much a place-holder (no user is going to be willing to search something like "Un-named female trainer" just to find the this article) at this point, which is why it is clearly tagged in the article to avoid confusion. And if the precedent from gen III holds, the article will have already had its proper name, and if not, it can very easily be corrected. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 15:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Check [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Leaf_(game) this] if you don't mind since I gave my opinion as well as a few facts (at least one XD). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC) | ::Check [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Leaf_(game) this] if you don't mind since I gave my opinion as well as a few facts (at least one XD). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:::Sorry, I think I said that badly. Wasn’t saying Eusine looks weird. Should be more clear now. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | :::Sorry, I think I said that badly. Wasn’t saying Eusine looks weird. Should be more clear now. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::To answer your question, if Gold gets a new NPC name, then the obvious solution is to create a new article for him with regards to HG/SS, and leave [[Gold (game)]] solely for any and all details with regards to G/S/C. | ::::To answer your question, if Gold gets a new NPC name, then the obvious solution is to create a new article for him with regards to HG/SS, and leave [[Gold (game)]] solely for any and all details with regards to G/S/C. | ||
::::But, this has nothing to do with improvement to {{tt|Soul's|Or whoever the heck she is!}} article, so back to point, or continue the discussion | ::::But, this has nothing to do with improvement to {{tt|Soul's|Or whoever the heck she is!}} article, so back to point, or continue the discussion somewhere else? '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 15:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::Yeah, I didn’t mean to start a tangent on it here, just honestly think it’s a more pertinent question than this one. But not one that needs addressing just yet... kinda like this. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | :::::Yeah, I didn’t mean to start a tangent on it here, just honestly think it’s a more pertinent question than this one. But not one that needs addressing just yet... kinda like this. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
===Hey look, a section break!=== | ===Hey look, a section break!=== | ||
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:okay i don't know where the forums is and where to post so could you actually attach a link to it but for now i would like to pose this.<s>File:Kotoneevolve.JPG</s><small>file was deleted</small> see the resemblance '''and also who have said that the playable character girl in pokemon crystal version was named kris nobody said that it is just fan made.''' like how ethan and gold be it is just a redesign... so could we merge it and say it is just a vast redesign... i would accept she really is a different character if she has another character than the one in manga...[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 13:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC) | :okay i don't know where the forums is and where to post so could you actually attach a link to it but for now i would like to pose this.<s>File:Kotoneevolve.JPG</s><small>file was deleted</small> see the resemblance '''and also who have said that the playable character girl in pokemon crystal version was named kris nobody said that it is just fan made.''' like how ethan and gold be it is just a redesign... so could we merge it and say it is just a vast redesign... i would accept she really is a different character if she has another character than the one in manga...[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 13:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 HGSS forums]. —'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 23:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC) | ::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 HGSS forums]. —'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 23:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
i hat to relive this issue but does the pokemon adventure shows Kris with a lyra design meaning that she really is a vast design of the character so i plead for another merge...[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 05:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Possible names == | == Possible names == | ||
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Yup. It is. --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 01:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC) | Yup. It is. --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 01:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Do people not read the talk page at all before posting? | :Do people not read the talk page at all before posting? We ''just'' talked about this. :/ It's not going on the page before the game's released. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|<span style="color:#d93f91;">Ťïňắ</span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#ae41d9;">♫</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#d941cf;">♥</span>]]</sup> 01:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
::That's totally unfair! I'm going to ask TPCI whether or not they're naming her Lyra. ''Then'' you will have ''concrete'' proof! [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 14:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | ::That's totally unfair! I'm going to ask TPCI whether or not they're naming her Lyra. ''Then'' you will have ''concrete'' proof! [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 14:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Nope. We're still going to wait a month for HGSS to be released in English. That's just our policy. :| ▫▪''[[User:Tina|<span style="color:#d93f91;">Ťïňắ</span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#ae41d9;">♫</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#d941cf;">♥</span>]]</sup> 16:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | :::Nope. We're still going to wait a month for HGSS to be released in English. That's just our policy. :| ▫▪''[[User:Tina|<span style="color:#d93f91;">Ťïňắ</span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#ae41d9;">♫</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#d941cf;">♥</span>]]</sup> 16:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Should it be noted in trivia that Lyra's name is 3 letters away Crystal, the game of which her predecessor debuted? [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 23:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC) | Should it be noted in trivia that Lyra's name is 3 letters away Crystal, the game of which her predecessor debuted? [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 23:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Hm... I'd say it isn't notable. It's likely a total coincidence. [[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cu</font>]][[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Tan">bo</font>]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green color light">ne</font>]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Black">King</font>]] 23:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
== I can't get proof but my game lied == | |||
Lyra phoned my player character and said her maril had evolved, but then I visited her house and it hadn't, has this happend to anyone else? [[User:Vespitomb|<span style="background:#000000; color:#FF0000;">Vespi</span>]]<small>[[User Talk:Vespitomb|<sub><font color="#FF5A00">tomb</font></sub>></small>]] 09:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:It has happened to numerous people, most famously TTEchidna was the one that brought it to my attention. I don't know exactly why she does this it could be a translation error or something else. -'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|<span style="color:#000">Master</span>]][[User:MasterKenobi|<span style="color:#0000CC">Kenobi</span>]]''' 09:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
::It happened to me multiple times in the same game, probably something the creators over looked, or She (or he if you choose the female character) has multiple Marill.--[[User:QX Deoxys|QX Deoxys]] 06:11, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Hibiki has never called me with such news. He just tells me a bunch of other bullshit. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 06:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Zubat? == | |||
Someone said that early on Lyra is seen with one. Where and when? --[[User:Swampert rox|<sup style="color:teal;">'''Swampert'''</sup>]][[User talk:Swampert rox|<sub style="color:#teal;">'''rox'''</sub>]] 17:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Kris is Lyra == | |||
Just thought you oughta know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Yes, that's a really great way to open up a discussion on the matter, TTE. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 06:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
Aren't they supposed to be different characters of different generations?--[[User:QX Deoxys|QX Deoxys]] 06:20, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Only as much as {{ga|Red}} isn't the same guy in RGBY GSC FRLG HGSS... and he damn well is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Please, TTE. Adventures giving Crystal Lyra's clothes is no proof that they were ever intended to be the same person. They just didn't bother creating a new, similar character (and they couldn't just remove Crystal). Oh, if you have any other reason to believe they're the same, please tell us about it. [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 06:42, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Persons interested in this discussion may wish to see also [[Talk:Kris (game)]]. —'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 06:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::FireMeowth, {{ga|Leaf}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::Like I said on Kris's page, just because they're the same in the manga does not make them the same in the games. If you're using the manga as proof for them being in-game the same, then the anime is equal proof that they're different in-game. | |||
:::::And Leaf at least had the same hair color. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:21, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::Take Kris's sprite with Gold's palette in Gen II. HEY LOOK, HI LYRA. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:48, 29 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::But it was ''never confirmed.'' You can vouch similarities all you want, but confirmation is something you don't have. MangaKris=/=GameKris, and thus Kris=Lyra is not set in stone like you're claiming it to be.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::::How about this? Leaf isn't Green's counterpart either, despite the fact that Green wears Leaf's clothes in the Adventures chapter on ''her saga's'' remakes. If Crystal is Lyra's Adventures counterpart, then Lyra is obviously intended to be a redesign of Kris, much as Leaf is intended to be a redesign of the unreleased Gen I female player character. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:If that was the case, then Lyra and Marina would be the same person too. Which they're not. It's simply Kris dressed in Lyra's clothing. —'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 02:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Right. She's the same in the manga, so what? If you're using that as an argument for the ''game'' versions being the same, then the anime is just as legitimate an argument for them being different. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:41, 29 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::How does the manga characters being the same mean that the game characters were "obviously" intended to be the same? They are made by completely different people, and the official Pokemon company has no say in what Pokemon Adventures does. If some other manga spin off said Pearl and Wally are the same people, would you merge them? Just because Tajiri endorsed it many years ago does not mean everything in it is cannon. So everything you are saying about "Kris+Gold=Lyra" and whatnot is just speculation and is very unprofessional. You can't merge the game characters pages just because a third party manga said they are the same. <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 02:48, 29 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Trivia == | |||
Can we take out the piece of trivia "Previously to the announcement of Lyra's name on September 6th, 2009's episode of Pokémon Sunday, she was seen by many fans as an updated form of Kris, rather than a new character."? While I'm not going to argue that I still think they could be the same, they "changed" Gold to Hibiki so the Kotone announcement shouldn't be of importance. Takao Unno's comments or her separate anime counterpart might define her a new character, but not revelation of the name Kotone, since Hibiki had a name change as well. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 22:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
:So are you saying remove it because the name announcement had nothing to do with being a new character, as Gold was renamed too? <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 01:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
::We should probably leave it in, though. I think it's more getting at how everyone was so butthurt that Kotone wasn't a super redesigned Kris. Gold/Hibiki is just a name change, most people accept them as the same character. Kotone and Kris are definitely different. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400">'''Zesty'''</span>]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#3CB371">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 02:22, 8 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Then can we change it to the revelation of her separate anime counterpart? It just feels weird considering Hibiki was revealed to have a different name, but that doesn't make him a new character. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 04:41, 8 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Azumarill? == | |||
During a phone call in HG/SS, Lyra tells the player that her Marill has evolved. --[[User:Sir Gallade|Sir Gallade, The Psy Swordsman §]] 12:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I've gotten that call multiple times. It's never true. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 12:13, 9 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Does it only say that her Marill has evolved? Because she could have multiple Marill. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
Don't you think she could have stopped it from evolving? I can't remember exactly, but I think that call says "I saw Marill evolving into Azumarill! I was so surprised!" If you think about it, she could have seen it, then recoiled in horror at the thought of her beloved partner changing, and then stopped it! I think it's plausible. [[User:Soul of Dawn|Soul of Dawn]] 15:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Lyra's height and weight == | |||
Do to the fact in [[Lucas]], [[Dawn]], & [[Ethan|Ethan's]] Trivia it has there height and weight why not put hers "4'11" (125) & 90.4 (41 kg)" seeing as her page can't be edited right now.[[User:Lamarfll|Lamarfll]] 19:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
:All done. Seems someone must've forgotten to put it in. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|<span style="color:#e072a9;">ティナ</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#728084;">♫</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#728084;">★</span>]]</sup> 20:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Name== | |||
Lyra's name came from the constelation Lyra! {{u|Wildgoose}} December 17 2011 6:20 pm ET | |||
:Name origin is for why the name was chosen, not the etymology of the name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
== When called from certain locations == | |||
Could someone expand that piece of information? | |||
It doesn't really say much and whilst what Lyra says in-game seems pretty obvious (take X PKMN to Route Y for something "interesting"), I have taken my Poliwag to Route 40 and nothing happens. At all. Beach or surfing. [[User:Checker|Checker]] ([[User talk:Checker|talk]]) 18:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Pokéleathon sprite? == | |||
I've noticed that the caption for the overworld sprite for the Pokéleathon states that it is 'unused'. This greatly confuses me, for I have seen that sprite ingame, as Lyra enters the back room to start the competition. Could someone explain, please? [[User:IIWinterbreezeII|IIWinterbreezeII]] ([[User talk:IIWinterbreezeII|talk]]) 00:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Height and Weight in Infobox? == | |||
Perhaps not the most appropriate place to propose this, but should we maybe place characters' height and weight in their infoboxes, rather than their trivia section? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 02:40, 26 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
:I think we only know a few character's heights and weights. They've stopped using them as a base of comparison in the games, so there's no way of knowing. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 03:47, 26 May 2014 (UTC) | |||