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== Necessary == | |||
Is it really necessary to say that Pressure is cancelled by Mold Breaker? [[User:Inker|Inker]] 22:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC) | Is it really necessary to say that Pressure is cancelled by Mold Breaker? [[User:Inker|Inker]] 22:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
:Not really... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">TTE</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#0000FF">chidna</span>]]''' 05:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC) | :Not really... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">TTE</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#0000FF">chidna</span>]]''' 05:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
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:I do notice that every Pokemon has a section devoted to "In the Anime," "In the Manga," but nothing has a section called "In the Games." Sheesh, it's not like the games have no plot! [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 02:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC) | :I do notice that every Pokemon has a section devoted to "In the Anime," "In the Manga," but nothing has a section called "In the Games." Sheesh, it's not like the games have no plot! [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 02:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Um, I assumed that everything outside of the "In the Animé," and "In the Manga," sections was game-canon. :\ <small>- ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])''</small> 15:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC) | :Um, I assumed that everything outside of the "In the Animé," and "In the Manga," sections was game-canon. :\ <small>- ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])''</small> 15:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
In My Opinion Lugia seems to have been inspired by Ziz in some fators. I dont see how Rayquaza could be and not Lugia. | In My Opinion Lugia seems to have been inspired by Ziz in some fators. I dont see how Rayquaza could be and not Lugia. {{unsigned|RegiJack}} | ||
== Name Origin == | == Name Origin == | ||
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I Remember that there was a bird that lived in the seas, and its wings had "digits" Similar to Lugia, its neck and body was also long as well. Could go on the Origins right? [[User:XXRaigoXx|XXRaigoXx]] 07:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | I Remember that there was a bird that lived in the seas, and its wings had "digits" Similar to Lugia, its neck and body was also long as well. Could go on the Origins right? [[User:XXRaigoXx|XXRaigoXx]] 07:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Do you remember its name?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | :Do you remember its name?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
Unfortuntly no but maybe i can look it up ill do it now. [[User:XXRaigoXx|XXRaigoXx]] 07:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
Okay found it. it was called Hesperornis after seeing it for such a long time i realized tbe only thing that had with common with lugia is the feet maybe, the wings were actually just a stub but maybe it's the wrong bird cause i was sure it had wings to swim with. [[User:XXRaigoXx|XXRaigoXx]] 07:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Takeshi Shudō == | == Takeshi Shudō == | ||
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::Before yersterday, I hadn't noticed the claim that Shudō had created Lugia. Even though I wish this were a better time to be raising my doubts, I have to say that I'm highly skeptical as to the veracity of that statement. | ::Before yersterday, I hadn't noticed the claim that Shudō had created Lugia. Even though I wish this were a better time to be raising my doubts, I have to say that I'm highly skeptical as to the veracity of that statement. | ||
::The reason that Shudō's column makes me raise an eyebrow is that Gold and Silver were supposed to be released in early 1998, so Lugia must have existed in some form back then - at a time when Shudō was working on Movie 1. In fact, I would think that Lugia would have been seen in the opening of the demo that was playable in the Spaceworld 1997 event; this | ::The reason that Shudō's column makes me raise an eyebrow is that Gold and Silver were supposed to be released in early 1998, so Lugia must have existed in some form back then - at a time when Shudō was working on Movie 1. In fact, I would think that Lugia would have been seen in the opening of the demo that was playable in the Spaceworld 1997 event; this [http://park3.wakwak.com/~pokepale/pokeold/archive/kingin.htm website] even lists Lugia as one of the earliest known Pokémon whose data changed as a result of the delay (its Pokédex number was altered). | ||
::More importantly, eight Pokémon designers were listed in the [[Staff of Pokémon Gold and Silver|game credits]]. Why wasn't Shudō's name included? He should have at least been given a special thanks if he had really designed one of the version mascots; I can't imagine that Game Freak wouldn't have given him credit where due. | ::More importantly, eight Pokémon designers were listed in the [[Staff of Pokémon Gold and Silver|game credits]]. Why wasn't Shudō's name included? He should have at least been given a special thanks if he had really designed one of the version mascots; I can't imagine that Game Freak wouldn't have given him credit where due. | ||
::I don't wish to taint Shudō's reputation or anything like that, but it seems to me that he was fond of Lugia that he chose to embellish his part in its creation. I can easily believe that he was the one who coined the term "Pokémon X" and thought of associating Lugia with the bird trio, as well as giving it the role of a protector. But those things didn't influence the games at all, and I don't think that a blog column made more than 10 years after the fact is enough to change that. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 08:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC) | ::I don't wish to taint Shudō's reputation or anything like that, but it seems to me that he was fond of Lugia that he chose to embellish his part in its creation. I can easily believe that he was the one who coined the term "Pokémon X" and thought of associating Lugia with the bird trio, as well as giving it the role of a protector. But those things didn't influence the games at all, and I don't think that a blog column made more than 10 years after the fact is enough to change that. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 08:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
::: Your opinion can be understood. It might be a person who thought about the conception. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:38, 30 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::Maybe change it to "helped with the creation of Lugia". —'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 07:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
== TCG Water-type trivia == | |||
With the possible exceptions of Beedrill, Venemoth and Flying Pikachu's Fighting type resistance, is Lugia the only Pokemon depicted as having a type it does not actually have? Excluding Delta Species, etc. obviously. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 16:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
== ...... == | |||
Why was my trivia was taken out? It was relevant--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Do you mean this? | |||
:''Lugia seems to represent the moon and shares this distinction with {{p|Lunatone}} '' | |||
:While I wasn't the one who removed it, how exactly does it represent the moon (and Ho-Oh the sun)? The only proof I can think of is that the title screen of Silver, featuring Lugia, is set at night, while the Gold title screen with Ho-Oh is during the day. If you can provide good evidence for it then they could be added back. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 23:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::The Silver title screen wasn't during the night. It was under water. You can't tell if it's night or day. [[Typhlosion|<span style="color:#C00;"><sup>★</sup></span>]][[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]][[Flygon|<span style="color:#C00;"><sup>★</sup></span>]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]] 23:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::Instead of 'seems to', I think it'd be better to use 'may', and to omit the part about Lunatone, because it misrepresents the trivia item as fact, though I think it may be a bit too speculative to add in the first place, since there isn't really a good reason why it may be considered a representation of the moon or nighttime. Also, Ash0011, please be a bit more specific in your discussion titles in the future, thanks. --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 00:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::Actually, you're (Jo The Marten) right, I just looked up the opening for SoulSilver on Youtibe, and if it is underwater, the Silver one will be too. I blame the GameBoy's crap graphics. So, no proof for that trivia then. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 00:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::Well it doesn't help that Gold and Silver had the [http://www.spriters-resource.com/gameboy/pokegs/sheet/18974 same background for the intro], just different colors. ^^; So while Ho-oh is in the clouds, it can look like Lugia is above a dark sky. But yes, I saw no solid evidence of their speculation so I removed the trivia. [[Typhlosion|<span style="color:#C00;"><sup>★</sup></span>]][[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]][[Flygon|<span style="color:#C00;"><sup>★</sup></span>]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]] 00:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::Well I actually thought that Lugia was supposed to be flying over the waves of the sea, but I'm starting to get a bit off-topic now. So unless Ash0011 or someone else can provide evidence otherwise, no evidence for Lugia at least. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 00:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::::#1 it's supposed to be silver a color commonly attributed to the moon #2 it is psychic and the whole thing about the moon and supernatural powers #3 it also can control water despite being psychic and the moon controlls the tides... need I go on--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 23:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
:# Is it associated with the moon? | |||
:# ??? | |||
:# Besides using Water-type attacks, Lugia doesn't control the seas, and has never been mentioned to. | |||
<small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 00:08, 18 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
: the water attaks are what I meant and it's also very so associated with water being refered to as king of the sea in the anime--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 01:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Required for Pokédex completion in DPPt? == | |||
Lugia and Ho-Oh were considered "Event Pokémon" for the duration of the 4th generation before HeartGold and SoulSilver were released. Were they counted in the completion of the DPPt Pokédex? If not, this would be worthy trivia. --[[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 03:56, 22 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
:That's almost certainly ''why'' they were considered event Pokémon. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 04:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
So... Were they required? - [[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 21:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
:As far as I'm aware, Pokémon marked as 'event' in the Dex coding are marked as such so that it still counts as a completed dex if they are not obtained. I don't know of any other reason why it would be necessary to mark them as such. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 04:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Possible Trivia? == | |||
Despite the fact that it has the ability to create powerful storms for days, it can not learn [[Hurricane (move)|Hurricane]]. It was mentioned on the move's page, should it be also mentioned here, or is there no point in adding it? ---''<span style="color:red">Insert Witty Dialog Here</span>'' [[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]])''</small> 04:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
:I'm not sure it should be mentioned at all. Powerful storms doesn't necessarily mean a Hurricane. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 06:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
::*Good point, just was wondering since that it is mentioned under the move's trivia. ---[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 03:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
== reasons lugia and ho-oh represent the sun and the moon == | |||
Points that show lugia represents the moon: referred to as the king of the sea in the anime, uses water type attacks despite no water type affiliation(like the moon controls the tides, pictured underwater despite not having any other water type affiliation, it is silver (the color of the moon), its opposite ho-oh represents the sun. [[Ho-oh]] represents the sun because: it uses fire-type attacks, it bears a direct similarity to the phoenix (wich is commonly associated with the sun), its wings are the colors of the rainbow (bent sunlight) these two could have nothing to do with the sun and the moon, but with the given evidence the chances of that are astronomically slim--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 02:04, 18 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
If nobody objects in the next day or so then I'm going to add this as trivia.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 18:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
:[[Talk:Lugia_(Pokémon)#......|This is still here.]] I doubt anyone's opinion on this has changed, otherwise they would have stated. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 18:35, 19 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Editing == | |||
I removed the name origin part about Lu- coming from luna meaning moon. Also removed how it may come from beluga and how its appearance may also be based off it. Being white and big is all they have in common. | |||
The blurb about it looking like a stegosaurus did not make much sense to list, giving that the previous wyvern example better represents it since it's origin is from a dragon. {{unsigned|Since97andOn}} | |||
== Trivia addition == | |||
Is it worth mentioning that although multiple sources say Lugia can create whirlpools at will (and it is found at the Whirl Islands), Lugia cannot learn the move Whirlpool by any means? [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 05:33, 9 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Except that it can in Generations II and IV. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 05:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Weird trivia nonsense == | |||
"It is suggested that Ryūjin, a dragon who lived on the ocean floor and was the Shinto god of the sea, is a possible basis for Lugia. The two have similarities in mythology, and further evidence lies in Lugia's Shiny coloration: red and white are also the colors of the coral of which the Ryūgū-jō's palace was mad" It doesn't make sense to cite this as evidence [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 07:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC) for anything, although I do believe that this is part of Lugia's origin. There are so many random Pokemon with random colours, why would this be evidence for anything?? | |||
== More Trivia Stuff == | |||
The Trivia says that Lugia is the only legendary Pokémon to appear on the boxart for more than one game, not including remakes. What about Kyurem? It appears on the boxart for Black 2 and White 2... [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] ([[User talk:KyuremsIceBlade|talk]]) 16:35, 31 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks to whoever changed the trivia! :D [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] ([[User talk:KyuremsIceBlade|talk]]) 22:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Pokédex entries. == | |||
Why is BW entry not the same as from Platinum? Well okay, B2W2 changed (ironically, to Platinum's entry), similar to {{p|Ho-Oh}} (was that actual change or just mistake with BW entry in Ho-Oh's case? Is there more Pokémon not in new Unova Pokédex to do that?) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Name Origin == | |||
This is just speculation of course, but the name may have a some influence from Migaloo, a White Humpback Whale first discovered in 1991. It's quite famous in Australia, which is a national friend of Japan and common vacation destination for many, so he may have also become somewhat popular in Japan and influenced Lugia's name.{{unsigned|MrBurrows}} | |||