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== Name ==

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type? {{unsigned|Zeta}}

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

== Article ==

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh?  Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]<sub>[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]</sub> 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really?  I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}.  It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] <sup>~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]]</sup> 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.'' 
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru 
*154 Meganium Meganiumi 
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi 
*156 Quilava Magumarashi 
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun 
*158 Totodile Waninoko 
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu 
*160 Feraligatr Odairu 
*161 Sentret Otachi  
*162 Furret Ootachi 
*163 Hoothoot Hoho  
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku 
*165 Ledyba Rediba  
*166 Ledian Redeian 
*167 Spinarak Itomaru 
*168 Araidos Araidosu  
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi 
*171 Lanturn Rantan 
*172 Pichu Pichu  
*173 Cleffa Pi 
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin 
*175 Togepi Togepi 
*176 Togetic Togechikku 
*177 Natee Neitei 
*178 Natotem Neiteio 
*179 Mareep Meripu 
*180 Skiploom Mokoko  
*181 Centerity Denryu  
*182 Bellossom Kireihana  
*183 Marill Mariru  
*184 Azumarill Mariruri 
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki  
*186 Politoed Myorotono  
*187 Hoppip Hane  
*188 Flaffy Popo 
*189 Jumpluff Watakko  
*190 Aipom Eipamu  
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari 
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma  
*194 Ampharos Upa 
*195 Quagsire Nuoh  
*196 Espeon Efui 
*197 Umbreon Burakki 
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu  
*199 Slowking Yadoking  
*200 Trillix Muuma  
*201 ????? Annon  
*202 Crashin Sonansu  
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki  
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama  
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu 
*206 Duglari Nokocchi  
*207 Gligar Guraiga 
*208 Steelix Haganeru  
*209 Snubbull Buru  
*210 Granbull Guranburu  
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen 
*212 Scizor Hassamu  
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo 
*214 Heracross Herakuroso  
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura 
*216 Moonlite Himeguma 
*217 Soloar Ringuma 
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo 
*220 Swinub Urimu 
*221 Sirnub Inomu 
*222 Corsola Sanigo 
*223 Remoraid Teppouo 
*224 Octillery Okutan 
*225 Delibird Deribado 
*226 Mantine Maintain  
*227 Wooper Eamudo 
*228 Houndour Derubiru  
*229 Houndoom Heruga  
*230 Kingdra Kingudora  
*231 Phanpy Gomazou  
*232 Donphan Donfuyan  
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2 
*234 Stantler Odoshishi 
*235 Artibull Doburu 
*236 Hitmontot Baruki 
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera 
*238 Smoochum Muchura 
*239 Elekid Erekid 
*240 Magby Bubii 
*241 Miltank Mirutanku 
*242 Blissey Hapinasu 
*243 Raikou Raikou 
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun 
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu 
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu 
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia 
*250 Ho-Oh Houou 
*251 Selebi Serebeii 

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release.  "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead.  So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu.  I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]


I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett. 
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?<small>- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''</small>
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

==Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds?==
[[File:183Marill.png|150px]][[File:Alpha honouguma.png|150px]][[File:025Pikachu.png|150px]]<br>
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">TTE</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#0000FF">chidna</span>]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of.  --[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon.  I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c40a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''<span style="color:#0000FF;">Glinn</span>]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|<span style="color:#000000;">Mgraw</span>''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Most likely not since in that same picture one can see Tyranitar and other beta-Pokemon most likely from Gen II. As ar as I know it's a cover of a magazine that was suppose to report about the next Generation of Pokemon (or at least about plans). [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:46, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::I have the magazine in question. Unfortunately, there is no information on Gold/Silver within. The only indication of them is the cover itself. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Hmmm... Most likely it's still not about Gen I Pokemon since it's from 1997... It could've been a "hint" of new games in development. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa?  [[User:Taromon777|<span style="color:turquoise; font-family:Arial Black">'''''Taromon'''''</span>]] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#003366">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#8C92AC">''Blue''</span>]]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''<span style="font-family: Verdana;">~ [[User:Sol|<span style="color:#0080ff;">sol</span>]][[User talk:Sol|<span style="color:#4090ff;">ar</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|<span style="color:#a8d3ff;">is</span>]]</span>''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|<span style="color:#DAA520">''Poké''</span>]][[User talk:Pokelova|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">lova!</span>]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|<span style="color:#DAA520">''Poké''</span>]][[User talk:Pokelova|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">lova!</span>]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|<span style="color:#DAA520">''Poké''</span>]][[User talk:Pokelova|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">lova!</span>]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] (<sup>[[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]</sub>) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] (<sup>[[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]</sub>) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|<span style="color:#88AADD">''immewnity''</span>]][[User talk:Immewnity|<span style="color:#627DB7">the</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|<span style="color:#335577">mew</span>]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's just speculation, we don't know that. And its not like Shellos and Gastordon, which were saved for the next generation, there is a 3 Generation (and 10 year) difference. Also, the artwork we currently have doesn't show the whole Pokemon, so untill we have that, we can't really speculate about this (if someone knows where to find the original, non-cropped artwork, please post it). <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 23:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::someone on the resembles thread says they have it.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, I spotted that yesterday, I've posted a comment on their talk page, but thanks for mentioning that anyway. Still no reply though :( If it turns out to be a dead end, I might look around the web myself, though where to find a reliable, non-fan-created picture is the problem. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 21:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.<small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around.  Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that We should add the ones mentioned above as they are ''presumably'' pokémon and I think we should add a section for pokemon appearing only in the manga that have no natural explanation such as Zapmolcuno and the manga dialga/palkia fusion statue at eterna city (there is a picture of it on the eterna city talk page).--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:they should be added, but for now, you can add them to this page
:[[User:Vuvuzela2010/Disputed Pokémon]] 
:<small><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:blue; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:blue">'''X'''</span></small> 19:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Kurusu = Daikenki/Samurott? ==

Does anybody here see a resemblance between the unreleased Kurusu and the 5th-Gen Samurott/Daikenki?

[[File:Alpha kurusu.png|300px|Kurusu]]

[[File:503Samurott.png|300px|Samurott]]
--[[User:Bad Grim|Bad Grim]] 04:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Um..... No. They're vaguely the same shape and that's it. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I see it... Quadrupeds, probably water-type, maybe a very old possibility for Oshawott?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The similarity is as obvious as between Honoguma, Pikachu/Raichu and Marill... [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

==Bellossom? Jynx?==
If Bellossom is on here for a color change, shouldn't Jynx be as well? To be honest I feel like Bellossom being on here is a little sketchy since the dark blue coloring was obviously released. However, if Bellossom is valid, Jynx should be on here too, right? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 03:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:No. Jynx was originally black and released as black coloured, but it was changed along the course of the franchise. While Bellossom was previewed to be dark blue, but was changed to a green colour before release.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#444444">'''F'''</span>]][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#858585">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#C3C3C3">'''F'''</span>]][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#D8D8D8">ire</span>]] 09:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
::But wasn't this official GSC artwork? Why is that considered before release? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== More unreleased Pokemon - Japanese translation needed ==

In the Capsule Monsters sketches, [http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3897/pkmn1285890995744.jpg one shows two unreleased Pokemon, with their numbers and possibly Pokedex entries]. Can someone please translate this? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:The bug is Papyō and the cat is Buhī.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 15:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Pokemon_conceptart.jpg And here's three new Pokés:] the lizard is '''Godzillante''', the ape is '''Gorillaimo''' and the Dragon is '''Dragon4'''.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 17:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for that! I've added them all in now. Do you know what the text entries next to those five Pokemon say? It looks like it could be a Pokedex entry, or maybe it says what type they are? <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 20:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I can't really translate Japanese text; I mainly just romanize katakana and hiragana.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 20:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'd personally make a separate section, or maybe even separate article for Capsule Monsters. They deserve a special place! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well, we do have [[Capsule Monsters]]. This is basically just an extension of that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So, I'd rather add them there or start a new article "List of known Capsule Monsters" or something like that. I don't think that the prototypes of Pokemon and scrapped Pokemon designs invented later should belong together. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I agree. They are two different things. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Moving to Prototype Pokemon and characters... ==

I'd like to suggest that this article be moved to "Prototype Pokémon and characters". Not only does this article list things that have been unreleased, but it also lists Pokemon whose designs had simply been alerted, and are therefore still technically released. "Prototype" can easily refer to both kinds, so I'd like to suggest that the article be moved to that. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 19:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
: I concur ''[[User:Sui|<sup style="color:#2685f1;">'''Sui'''</sup>]][[User talk:Sui|<sub style="color:#aba59d;">'''Scorpio'''</sub>]]'' 02:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::Because half of this page is "altered", not "unreleased", I think the more universal term "prototype" is better suited. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#00693E">Toon Ganondorf</span> ]]   [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">c)</span>]]''' 06:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::First, I think that early Capsule Monsters should be covered separately and things like Bellossom should be deleted. It doesn't fit here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::::Even if a listing of Capsule Monsters do get their own page, there's still other kinds of Pokemon designs that were still simply alerted, like those Gen II alters. There's still a reason for this to be called "Prototype Pokémon and characters". [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 20:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Why should Bellossom be deleted? It was altered before release, and is relevant to the article. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 20:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, I would support the move. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 20:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, the artwork with purple Bellossom is its actual GS artwork (a final thing, not an early sketch like the rest). So, it's not really unreleased. At the same logic, we should also add Slowpoke here because it had a stripped belly in the original GSC. Many Pokemon has been given cosmetic design changes over the generations and it's really hard to call their older designs "prototype". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
[[File:1999 Bellossom Artwork.png|thumb|right]]
:The Bellossom artwork was like that years before G/S were released, they just never bothered changing it. And Slowpoke is hardly the same, that was just a sprite error. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 09:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::Sprite error? "Error" implies accident. This doesn't look like an accident. There's no artwork from that era which contradicts that "error", hence no proof that it's an error. And the fact that Bellossom's artwork wasn't changed means that it's to be treated as a final thing. And compared to the other prototypes we have, it's a really minor change. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I support the move: I just think that a word better than prototype could be chose. It sounds too mechanical. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 14:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::::In response to the Bellossom point. The alterations to Bellossom are the same as those that Jynx undertook. They were both one color-scheme up until some time after their release, and then they were both changed post-release. If one should be included here then so should the other I would think. Thanks. ''[[User:Sui|<sup style="color:#2685f1;">'''Sui'''</sup>]][[User talk:Sui|<sub style="color:#aba59d;">'''Scorpio'''</sub>]]'' 20:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Error does not always mean accidental, it can also mean they screwed it up. A good example is the 'upside down' Koffing from Red and Blue (or any other sprite from Red/Green/Blue), obviously intentional. And Slowpoke's striped belly has not been seen in the anime, TCG, or any other media, even though it should be partially visible in [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SabrinaSlowpokeGymHeroes95.jpg its TCG artwork] and [http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html its Ken Suginori Bandai artwork]. 
:::::Also, Jynx does not count, since it ''was'' released. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 05:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about Jynx, I got confused about the Bellossom artwork not changing. Slowpoke's striped belly can be seen in the Bandai artwork for Aerodactyl: http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html ''[[User:Sui|<sup style="color:#2685f1;">'''Sui'''</sup>]][[User talk:Sui|<sub style="color:#aba59d;">'''Scorpio'''</sub>]]'' 05:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::That's like saying that Charmander was 'prototype' because it once had spikes on its back. Ken Sugimori's early art had a lot of things depicted that were either changed or remove in subsequent games. Likewise with in-game sprites, such as the GRB Machamp with spikes on its head. But in all honesty, this section is supposed to be for discussion on whether this article should be moved, NOT whether Bellossum or Slowpoke was prototype. Can someone please split this up? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 06:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Noted, I've moved it to the section below. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Er, no. This wasn't split up. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 01:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== Palette changes ==

Rather than just delete, lets harness the power of the talk page. Should altered palettes, like those found below, be included in the altered Pokémon section? ''[[User:Sui|<sup style="color:#2685f1;">'''Sui'''</sup>]][[User talk:Sui|<sub style="color:#aba59d;">'''Scorpio'''</sub>]]'' 20:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Wynaut
|type1=Psychic
|img=Beta Wynaut.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Wynaut (Pokémon)}}[[File:360Wynaut.png|170px|right]]<br><br>Pre-release screenshots of Wynaut show that it was going to be green in color rather than blue.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]]<br><br>In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, it was colored purple instead of brown and its stripes were mirrored. However, this was not long-lived, as it was changed to its current appearance in the next video.}}
:Both are video quality's fault. When the screenshot of Wynaut surfaced, we have already had its artwork revealed and it looked just like now, so there was never a design change. And this Excadrill was extracted from a very low-quality video. Actually, all colors on this video are off. Even Haxorus is greenish yellow. That's nothing more than a matter of quality. All high quality versions of the same video had correct colors. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry to blend in the conversation, but how about Excadrill's belly pattern? That can't be a quality error, can it? [[User:TyraniThrone|<span style="color:green">Tyrani</span>]][[User talk:TyraniThrone|<span style="color:brown">Throne</span>]] 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:::My view is, it would probably be better to include those with minor alterations, such as Exadrill and Tyranitar, in a ''Minor alterations'' subsection. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 11:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Does anyone know the exact date when Bellossom's GS artwork was released? If it was after its first anime appearance (where it was green), it could be worth mentioning the contradiction. <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Buizel ==

I remember I saw once a scan of a magazine released before the release of D&P showing a black siloutte of Buizel with two "collars" instead of one. If I find it again may this added to this page? Also the Unnamed turtle actually have legs, it isn't "just a head sticking out of a shell". --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 16:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

== Altered human designs ==

There's a template for Altered Pokemon Designs, so why not for the humans? I can think of a few who received design overhauls.. As said Silver's hair was shorter in the concept art, Kris seems to have gotten a design overhaul from the beta to the main product, and that seems to be Red in the Capsule Monster sketches. [[User:Dia Sprite|Dia Sprite]] 23:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== Who are this Pokemon? ==

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3706/45234089orgv1315354262.jpg

Seriously... Who? I thought the fish was Basculin but the name does not match, then we have that... Siloutte thing next to Deerling that does not match any of the forms of neither Deerling or Sawsbuck, Alomomola design is noticeable different (and shares traits with Luvdisc: Shape, "blush sticker" and mouth, I think it was once planned to be an evolution) and Pansage is fat.

I also noticed the battle sprites are similar to those of Generation IV, same half-body back-sprites.

Found [http://photozou.jp/photo/show/761853/45234089 here]. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:That image was a hoax from the Japanese Black and White pre-release period. - [[User:Kogoro|<span style="color:#DA70D6;">'''<span class="sc">Kogoro</span>'''</span>]] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|<span style="color:#FFB6C1;">'''<span class="sc">Talk to me</span>'''</span>]] - 09:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:: Oh derp, thanks. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

== Additions ==

Here's a [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chickasaurus whole bunch of stuff to add] for someone who has the time to add it in. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:yellow; background-color:purple">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span>[[Koffing (Pokémon)|<span style="color:yellow; background-color:purple"> ☠]]</span> 19:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:I plan on adding these soon. They supposedly originated on Game Freak's blog in one of the archived posts, though I wasn't able to find it; I read about it as a recent addition on the Japanese Pokémon Wiki, and I believe its been [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1970/30491/index6.html considered] before about adding these when SmearglePaints ({{user|Redstar}}) brought it up on the forums last year. 

:There is a [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html Japanese website] focusing on lost Pokémon which hosts that artwork and has further information about more Generation II lost Pokémon other than the three 'starters' and variations (namely 'Akua', 'Akueria', 'Netamon' and 'Elekingu') which were apparently seen in the [[Nintendo World|Nintendo Space World 1997]] demo but had only their names shown. The Japanese Pokémon Wiki also had these and more variations which none of the other sources mention, though I don't know of the validity. I uploaded the Japanese Pokémon Blue artwork because of some of the ambiguous designs, I don't know if they should count though. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 20:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

::The recent images added are fan drawings, not official artwork of any kind. As such they should be removed. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 02:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh ok, is that right? I'm wondering then where the author ([http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html ボツポケモン応援隊]) originally got the concept from. I know of some [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 sprites of them] but I'm unsure of their legitimacy. I heard that these Pokémon were shown on Game Freak's website but I haven't been able to find an archived version of the original page yet. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::The sprite sheet is fully legitimate. I'd have to ask my friend the exact place it was found, which provided information on when they were secured, but I'd say there's enough sources to indicate this as a legitimate find. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pocket Monsters Blue designs  ==

"Near the bottom right is a Pokémon face, possibly based on Nidorino." It looks like Pidgeotto to me--[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 18:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not that one...the one to the left and up. '''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|<span style="color:#008000;">LimeGreen</span>]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|<span style="color:#FF8C00;">Charizard</span>]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/LimeGreenCharizard|<span style="color:#00BFFF;">♂</span>]] 19:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Now I see, thank you. At first it looked like Venomoth to me, but it's surely Nidorino (or at least Nidoran♂) --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 20:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Some early designs  ==

Early artwork on the pocket monsters cardass trading cards page shows a pikachu with a white belly and large execute with small ones the designs are the same as what they looked like in there red blue and green sprites so i think they should be on this page because the kakuna and rhyhorn with the same story are on there. Also there is a graveler with golden fingures on that page too.
[[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 04:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:Someone should probably add the Carddass Charmander and the early back sprites for him, since the card shows his now-unexistant ridges down his back.[[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 09:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh yes i never noticed him i saw that the ones i requested where added but have now been removed why? {{unsigned|Kybett98}}

== Unnamed Turtle ==

I think the unnamed turtle could be a Pokémon with no roots in any other Pokémon, meaning it was originally going to be a seperate Pokémon but was completely scrapped, and perhaps it was related to Kurusu. Can anyone shoot me down with fact?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

== Even more designs ==

Recently, this year [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 users on TGBUS] revealed a few more designs, and annotated some of the existing ones in English e.g. "The inside of a hotel. You can see a device for healing your Pokémon inside". I've seen the former sprites (below) on 2chan, but was unsure of its legitimacy, since its marked December 1997. It would be most appreciated if someone could translate it. I have heard that Nyosuka and others were mentioned once on Gamefreak's official Japanese website, but I can't find the original page and I'm unsure if images of them were ever officially revealed. Sorry, if that's a lot to ask for though.
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600533674699a45d777f6.jpg Sprites]
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600397a98e2b81ee3b0b7.jpg Kabīn] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:The sprite list featuring the early designs for the Poliwhirl, Weedle and Dratini lines are indeed official. A friend of mine discovered them several months ago on a blog by someone who salvaged them back in 1999. My friend also has an English translation for the text seen within the image. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 06:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::Do you mean this [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/page/1 blog]? I came across it later last Wednesday when doing an image search of the artwork. I once saw the images on 2chan, but I thought they were probably fake and confused them with the fan artwork on [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html The Lost Pokémon]. The [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E6%B2%A1%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7 Japanese Pokémon Wiki] seems to reaffirm information about them originating from Game Freak's website as well. I actually posted for a translation request on [http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?id=11437&page=15#375860 Jul] last October but never got anything back. That's great to hear that your friend took the time to translate it! Do you have a link to the translated version? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 07:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, that blog is run by the same friend who discovered the sheet. The Lost Pokemon site (an affiliate of the RCB site and a correspondence of mine) had info on the sprites for awhile and we're actively looking for them. Because of them I went on the chase, but my friend was able to turn them up herself after I had given up. The Lost Pokemon then discovered themselves just a few weeks or months afterwards, so they get credit for spreading it on the Japanese side of things.

:::I've just had my friend provide the translation. Find it [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/12592876977/wimscoot-piratekingatomsk here]. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Thank you and wimscoot so much for this! I've gathered some thoughts on why it might say "Pokémon 2" even though the designs don't seem to belong to [[Generation II]] but I realize that here isn't a good place to speculate about this. What is your username on Bulbagarden Forums? (I'm Torchickens) I also apologize for the relatively late reply. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 17:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

== Stunfisk ==

Beta Version from Stunfisk [http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=4142]??? --Altruis 17:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:That was from the Nintendo Dream interview, and it is most likely true, so it should be added. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#FFFFFF; background-color:#6890F0">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span>[[Latios (Pokémon)|<span style="color:red; background-color:#6890F0"> Δ  ]]</span> 17:46, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

==Game-on Exhibition==
It may be old news, but for those asking for references, I took pictures from this long-running exhibition called Game On. It had some concept works on some game franchises and Pokémon was one of them. [http://www.barbican.org.uk/bie/exhibitions/game-on Check here for info on the expo.] There were some Ruby/Sapphire sketches there, such as the Torchic with floppy ears [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01532.jpg Torchic with floppy ears], the Treecko sketches [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01528.jpg (maybe a little clearer here)] and [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01529.jpg the Blaziken/Latias one]. There were also this [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01530.jpg other sketch of a floppy-eared Torchic] and this [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01533.jpg early Groudon sketch]. [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 03:21, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

:I went to the expo again today and tried to get some better photos of the art. I'll try to upload them to Bulbagaren Archives and add them to the articles. [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 02:28, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:: Where is this geographically?[[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 02:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Those are of most interest. If it happens to be there tomorrow do you plan to try to take a picture of all Pokemon sketches that you can? Also nice to hear you took more photos today. The beta Treecko looked like it had a bit of a Grovyle look to it on the arms. Salamence didn't look much different. Wonder why Torchic had the most redos, a floppy eared, then chubby floppy ears, interesting. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::::It goes around the world since 2002, always adding some new stuff to it. Right now, the expo is in Brasilia, Brazil.
I uploaded the pictures to Bulbagarden Archives. Torchic's [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Torchic_Beta.jpg]] and Latiken's [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Latias_Blaziken.jpg]] were added to the articles already, substituting the old ones. Treecko's [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Treecko_Beta.jpg]] (it wouldn't let me substitute the old one, so I just uploaded it separately and didn't change the article), Groudon's [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Groudon_Beta.jpg]] and Torchic's other concept art [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Torchic_Beta2.jpg]] were only uploaded, but not added to any of the articles. Someone please do it for me. xD [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 03:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
: Excellent then. As for replacing the old images, I can see doing so for the Torchic but not the others at the moment. The new Torchic image you uploaded is great though since it is closer and higher quality, thanks for uploading the image. :) [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::Ah as for the Treecko image, click on it, the click description page under the image which is in bold. Log in on the archives if not already and scroll down, click on upload new version of this file. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I did that for the Treecko picture, but it said it had some trouble cause the old picture is a png file and the new one is a jpg. Even after I tried converting  the new pic to png, it wouldn't accept. (Nevermind, it worked now. lol) [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 04:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::::I see the Groundon image has been uploaded but where would the image go? Prototype or Minor Alterations? [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 01:01, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::I believe "Minor alterations" would be more accurate, as it basically remained the same, except for those marks it shares with Kyogre and Rayquaza (at least that's the only thing I noticed). [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:19, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

== More designs ==

I found [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/ this site] and it appears to have lots of legit designs that we're missing around here, despite being mixed up with fanart and fakes. But are the apparently legit ones really legit? Please discuss these findings. [[User:Pokemon lover|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 16:41, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

:Hehe, I've heard of this. There's this deviantArt group called TheLostPokemon, which is for the Pokemon in this article. The stuff's pretty legit (though I'd still want to check out the blog). A lot of the members of the group are artists, so their artwork is probably on the blog. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 22:59, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
::I run the dA group while my friend runs the tumblr blog. I can assure you that any fanwork is stated to be such while actual concept/design artwork is legit. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 21:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Unused girl on boxes? ==

The text about [[Prototype Pokémon and characters#Unreleased characters|this girl]] states "The image was shown on the boxes for the games" referring to the one that only her back is shown. I've checked {{tt|the Japanese box|the only one}} of Pokémon Green and didn't see the picture. Is this statement false? [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 05:10, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
:[http://www.gamefaqs.com/gameboy/367023-pokemon-red-version/images/box-68474 Apparently] so (I don't own the Japanese games, but I plan on getting them), and I still have all the English games from long ago, but unfortunately without any box inserts. According to the box data on GameFAQs, the artwork doesn't appear on the back of Japanese Blue or Yellow (Pocket Monsters Pikachu) either. Perhaps the user who added it was referring to the instruction booklet? It might be worth noting that there was an [http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5541/1290018520523.jpg official strategy guide] for {{2v2|Red|Green}} featuring the artwork. It's also interesting how this guidebook credits Ape Inc, the predecessor of Creatures Inc. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 00:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

==fluffy torchic==
Am I the only one who instantly thought of Vullaby after seeing the fluffy torchic in the eggshell?[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] 04:08, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The guy who looks like a gymleader ==

In the article it says he was probably a dark gymleader but to me he looks more like a ground or rock user because tyranitar is ground as well,the turtle looks like a rock type and the hitmontop thing has a creamy dirt color plus he is wearing a turban with a gemSTONE does anyone agree?And he might of been the original concept for the first gym leader since he has only 3 pokemon that again to me seem like ground thus continueing rock(ground) type first gym.[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 19:03, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
forget the first gym thing.[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 18:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
: Surely you meant [[Tyranitar]] is Rock/Dark-type. Anyways, it's only speculation that he's Dark-type Gym Leader (he could just have been a regular trainer), but his clothes and hair style refer to dark. Also, he most likely was not the first Gym Leader as most Gym Leaders encountered first have two Pokemon (only Roark has three). It could also be noted that some Gym Leaders have Pokémon that are not of their speciality type (namely [[Volkner]] and [[Cilan]], [[Chili]] and [[Cress]]) and Rock-type specialists other than Roark generally have very little in their appearance to connect with their speciality type, plus in final product all Johto Gyms specialized in types that were not present in Kanto, at which time it would've been odd to use Gyms that "had been" there before (like Rock or Ground Gyms). I also can't picture the polypod Pokemon as a Rock-type. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 12:21, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

== Thundurus and Tornadus color change ==

It's stated Troh's and Sawk's horns were removed because Thundurus and Tornadus were blue and red, but they had later there color changed. So, why don't they get a place on this page? Maybe they can share there column with Troh and Sawk... [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 12:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

== Cries ==

I attempted to post this as a comment on the YouTube video, but of course the stupid piece of shit excuse for a website kept giving me an "error try again" without any explanation. I guess this works just as well here anyways:

I've researched these cries for a while now and I hate how everyone keeps saying MissingNo. 0x45 sounds like Crobat or Golbat. Of course it does, because it is an *exact* copy of Zubat's cry. I'm following the same conclusion as everyone else (I hope it really way Crobat), but no one ever seems to realize that it isn't just similar to Zubat, it's exact. This also applies to MissingNo. 0x89 being an *exact* copy of Dragonair.

P.S. My notes: http://pastebin.com/yCry6qce -- [[User:Stag019|Stag019]] ([[User talk:Stag019|talk]]) 19:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

== Shopkeeper? ==

Looking at the image I'm quite curious as to what the embryo thing is. Is it possibly a Pokemon or something? Also is it possible the creature in the cage to the left is an earlier version and possibly smaller version of Slowbro? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 18:57, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:The embro thing does appear to be a Pokémon, but I don't know what though.  The thing in the cage does appear to be a early version of Slowbro. I think it probably would be a good idea to wait for some more opinions about that though, or just add it. [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 20:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
::I think I shall wait for a few more opinions before adding that Slowbro bit. Just to make sure it is possible that it might be an early version. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 20:39, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:::I dunno about Slowbro but the 'embryo' is probably a small Water Pokémon. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 01:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

== It seems that Kage No Mushi is a fake ==

[http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/47524002079/open-for-debate-removing-kage-no-mushi This Tumblr post] claims that the Pokémon may indeed be a fake made by one of the blog owner's friends. In fact, as a response to [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/47524532246/hfc2x-answered-your-question-open-for-debate my answer], the owner said that Bulbapedia did take all the info on that Pokémon from that blog.
Is this correct? If so, we should remove it from the list right away. '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 06:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Removed it from the list. --[[User:Relicant|Relicant]] ([[User talk:Relicant|talk]]) 16:58, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Kazeniga and Rokku ==

In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU7M5KAfYWA), there seems to be two Pokemon, (Kazeniga and Rokku) in the vein of Gorillaimo and Godzillante. Should we add them? [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 21:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

== Munna in Generation 1? ==

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, didn't an NPC near [[Rock Tunnel]] mention seeing a pink Pokémon with flowers on it in the cave? If they did, then that would mean {{p|Munna}}'s origin dates as far back as [[Generation I]]. If all of this is true, should I add it onto the page? I can also look for an image that details the Munna in the game. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 19:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
:Correction, they were actually talking about the fact that there should be and I quote, 'a pink one with a floral pattern.' The link to the picture is [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/image/12834082074]. I apologize for the profanity in the name. This is where I found the pic. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 19:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

== Who is that bug pokemon? ==

Hello There. ''WHO'' IS that bug pokemon: 
http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/9/9e/Unknown_bug_pokemon.png
--[[User:Cool Sam|Cool Sam]] ([[User talk:Cool Sam|talk]]) 16:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:My first reaction is it looks like the old 'scrubbing bubbles' mascot used by Dow cleaning agent. --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 07:14, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Shopkeeper ==

Since the similarity to the sumo character from Quinty/Mendel Palace is noted, wouldn't it also be worth noting alongside that there is an unused sprite which appears in the Gen III games which is presumably[http://tcrf.net/Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire#Unused_overworld_sprite] a redesign of a sprite of the same character? --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 18:55, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Split ==

Unused cries only belong in the development leftover articles. The designs of Pokémon and characters can be mentioned in the Development section of the game articles. [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 23:44, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

== Kabiin ==

I remember, when I first saw this one in "A Man who Created Pokemon," I was certain that it was a playful reference to Kirby.  But now I can't locate my copy of the book, so I don't know if there's a date on these thumbnail sketches that would disprove this theory (ie. if these are sketches from around 1989-1990, the Kirby reference is unlikely).  Does anyone have any info to help, maybe have the book on hand to check? <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 03:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)