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The information data on this page is based upon List of Pokémon by base stats and Pokémon Base Stats & Max Stats FAQ. I noticed inconstancies between these two pages, and I do not know how to verify this information. Any help would be appreciated. Jecowa 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Mistake in Average column

The Avg column still divides total by 6 (from the Gen II+ table) when it should divide by 5. I'm not sure how to edit the table to fix this. Blueapple128 19:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Total Base Stats

Shouldn't total base stats count Special stat double? It works for both special offense and defense.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

It's better to just stick with the defined stats. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Why not just show both? Current version just doesn't match reality.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 11:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
"Doesn't match reality"? There are five stats. If you sum those five stats, you get the stat total. RealityTM. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:42, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
That's not very professional reaction. I meant that higher total number incorrectly represents which Pokemon really has higher stats. It treats physical and special stats differently, where in practise they work the same way and there still are 6 stats pretending to be 5.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 13:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
A Pokemon has 5 stats. Pretty simple. No need to complicate it. I understand how you believe your preference would be "better" in some ways, but it would also easily confuse people. It's not worth it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
I am not saying the other version is better, I am saying that both have thier advantages and would like to see both. Also I don't really understand how using the same method as the one used for all other generations would be confusing but ok. I'll just show you how it could look like:
# Pokémon HP Attack Defense Sp. Attack Sp. Defense Speed Total Average
0001   Bulbasaur 45 49 49 65 65 45 318 53
0002   Ivysaur 60 62 63 80 80 60 405 67.5
0003   Venusaur 80 82 83 100 100 80 525 87.5
0004   Charmander 39 52 43 50 50 65 299 49.83
0005   Charmeleon 58 64 58 65 65 80 390 65
0006   Charizard 78 84 78 85 85 100 510 85
0007   Squirtle 44 48 65 50 50 43 300 50
0008   Wartortle 59 63 80 65 65 58 390 65
0009   Blastoise 79 83 100 85 85 78 510 85
0010   Caterpie 45 30 35 20 20 45 195 32.5
0011   Metapod 50 20 55 25 25 30 205 34.17
0012   Butterfree 60 45 50 80 80 70 385 64.17
0013   Weedle 40 35 30 20 20 50 195 32.5
0014   Kakuna 45 25 50 25 25 35 205 34.17
0015   Beedrill 65 80 40 45 45 75 350 58.33
0016   Pidgey 40 45 40 35 35 56 251 41.83
0017   Pidgeotto 63 60 55 50 50 71 349 58.17
0018   Pidgeot 83 80 75 70 70 91 469 78.17
0019   Rattata 30 56 35 25 25 72 243 40.5
0020   Raticate 55 81 60 50 50 97 393 65.5
0021   Spearow 40 60 30 31 31 70 262 43.67
0022   Fearow 65 90 65 61 61 100 442 73.67
0023   Ekans 35 60 44 40 40 55 274 45.67
0024   Arbok 60 85 69 65 65 80 424 70.67
0025   Pikachu 35 55 30 50 50 90 310 51.67
0026   Raichu 60 90 55 90 90 100 485 80.83
0027   Sandshrew 50 75 85 30 30 40 310 51.67
0028   Sandslash 75 100 110 55 55 65 460 76.67
0029   Nidoran♀ 55 47 52 40 40 41 275 45.83
0030   Nidorina 70 62 67 55 55 56 365 60.83
0031   Nidoqueen 90 82 87 75 75 76 485 80.83
0032   Nidoran♂ 46 57 40 40 40 50 273 45.5
0033   Nidorino 61 72 57 55 55 65 365 60.83
0034   Nidoking 81 92 77 75 75 85 485 80.83
0035   Clefairy 70 45 48 60 60 35 318 53
0036   Clefable 95 70 73 85 85 60 468 78
0037   Vulpix 38 41 40 65 65 65 314 52.33
0038   Ninetales 73 76 75 100 100 100 524 87.33
0039   Jigglypuff 115 45 20 25 25 20 250 41.67
0040   Wigglytuff 140 70 45 50 50 45 400 66.67
0041   Zubat 40 45 35 40 40 55 255 42.5
0042   Golbat 75 80 70 75 75 90 465 77.5
0043   Oddish 45 50 55 75 75 30 330 55
0044   Gloom 60 65 70 85 85 40 405 67.5
0045   Vileplume 75 80 85 100 100 50 490 81.67
0046   Paras 35 70 55 55 55 25 295 49.17
0047   Parasect 60 95 80 80 80 30 425 70.83
0048   Venonat 60 55 50 40 40 45 290 48.33
0049   Venomoth 70 65 60 90 90 90 465 77.5
0050   Diglett 10 55 25 45 45 95 275 45.83
0051   Dugtrio 35 80 50 70 70 120 425 70.83
0052   Meowth 40 45 35 40 40 90 290 48.33
0053   Persian 65 70 60 65 65 115 440 73.33
0054   Psyduck 50 52 48 50 50 55 305 50.83
0055   Golduck 80 82 78 80 80 85 485 80.83
0056   Mankey 40 80 35 35 35 70 295 49.17
0057   Primeape 65 105 60 60 60 95 445 74.17
0058   Growlithe 55 70 45 50 50 60 330 55
0059   Arcanine 90 110 80 80 80 95 535 89.17
0060   Poliwag 40 50 40 40 40 90 300 50
0061   Poliwhirl 65 65 65 50 50 90 385 64.17
0062   Poliwrath 90 85 95 70 70 70 480 80
0063   Abra 25 20 15 105 105 90 360 60
0064   Kadabra 40 35 30 120 120 105 450 75
0065   Alakazam 55 50 45 135 135 120 540 90
0066   Machop 70 80 50 35 35 35 305 50.83
0067   Machoke 80 100 70 50 50 45 395 65.83
0068   Machamp 90 130 80 65 65 55 485 80.83
0069   Bellsprout 50 75 35 70 70 40 340 56.67
0070   Weepinbell 65 90 50 85 85 55 430 71.67
0071   Victreebel 80 105 65 100 100 70 520 86.67
0072   Tentacool 40 40 35 100 100 70 385 64.17
0073   Tentacruel 80 70 65 120 120 100 555 92.5
0074   Geodude 40 80 100 30 30 20 300 50
0075   Graveler 55 95 115 45 45 35 390 65
0076   Golem 80 110 130 55 55 45 475 79.17
0077   Ponyta 50 85 55 65 65 90 410 68.33
0078   Rapidash 65 100 70 80 80 105 500 83.33
0079   Slowpoke 90 65 65 40 40 15 315 52.5
0080   Slowbro 95 75 110 80 80 30 470 78.33
0081   Magnemite 25 35 70 95 95 45 365 60.83
0082   Magneton 50 60 95 120 120 70 515 85.83
0083   Farfetch'd 52 65 55 58 58 60 348 58
0084   Doduo 35 85 45 35 35 75 310 51.67
0085   Dodrio 60 110 70 60 60 100 460 76.67
0086   Seel 65 45 55 70 70 45 350 58.33
0087   Dewgong 90 70 80 95 95 70 500 83.33
0088   Grimer 80 80 50 40 40 25 315 52.5
0089   Muk 105 105 75 65 65 50 465 77.5
0090   Shellder 30 65 100 45 45 40 325 54.17
0091   Cloyster 50 95 180 85 85 70 565 94.17
0092   Gastly 30 35 30 100 100 80 375 62.5
0093   Haunter 45 50 45 115 115 95 465 77.5
0094   Gengar 60 65 60 130 130 110 555 92.5
0095   Onix 35 45 160 30 30 70 370 61.67
0096   Drowzee 60 48 45 90 90 42 375 62.5
0097   Hypno 85 73 70 115 115 67 525 87.5
0098   Krabby 30 105 90 25 25 50 325 54.17
0099   Kingler 55 130 115 50 50 75 475 79.17
0100   Voltorb 40 30 50 55 55 100 330 55
0101   Electrode 60 50 70 80 80 140 480 80
0102   Exeggcute 60 40 80 60 60 40 340 56.67
0103   Exeggutor 95 95 85 125 125 55 580 96.67
0104   Cubone 50 50 95 40 40 35 310 51.67
0105   Marowak 60 80 110 50 50 45 395 65.83
0106   Hitmonlee 50 120 53 35 35 87 380 63.33
0107   Hitmonchan 50 105 79 35 35 76 380 63.33
0108   Lickitung 90 55 75 60 60 30 370 61.67
0109   Koffing 40 65 95 60 60 35 355 59.17
0110   Weezing 65 90 120 85 85 60 505 84.17
0111   Rhyhorn 80 85 95 30 30 25 345 57.5
0112   Rhydon 105 130 120 45 45 40 485 80.83
0113   Chansey 250 5 5 105 105 50 520 86.67
0114   Tangela 65 55 115 100 100 60 495 82.5
0115   Kangaskhan 105 95 80 40 40 90 450 75
0116   Horsea 30 40 70 70 70 60 340 56.67
0117   Seadra 55 65 95 95 95 85 490 81.67
0118   Goldeen 45 67 60 50 50 63 335 55.83
0119   Seaking 80 92 65 80 80 68 465 77.5
0120   Staryu 30 45 55 70 70 85 355 59.17
0121   Starmie 60 75 85 100 100 115 535 89.17
0122   Mr. Mime 40 45 65 100 100 90 440 73.33
0123   Scyther 70 110 80 55 55 105 475 79.17
0124   Jynx 65 50 35 95 95 95 435 72.5
0125   Electabuzz 65 83 57 85 85 105 480 80
0126   Magmar 65 95 57 85 85 93 480 80
0127   Pinsir 65 125 100 55 55 85 485 80.83
0128   Tauros 75 100 95 70 70 110 520 86.67
0129   Magikarp 20 10 55 20 20 80 205 34.17
0130   Gyarados 95 125 79 100 100 81 580 96.67
0131   Lapras 130 85 80 95 95 60 545 90.83
0132   Ditto 48 48 48 48 48 48 288 48
0133   Eevee 55 55 50 65 65 55 345 57.5
0134   Vaporeon 130 65 60 110 110 65 540 90
0135   Jolteon 65 65 60 110 110 130 540 90
0136   Flareon 65 130 60 110 110 65 540 90
0137   Porygon 65 60 70 75 75 40 385 64.17
0138   Omanyte 35 40 100 90 90 35 390 65
0139   Omastar 70 60 125 115 115 55 540 90
0140   Kabuto 30 80 90 45 45 55 345 57.5
0141   Kabutops 60 115 105 70 70 80 500 83.33
0142   Aerodactyl 80 105 65 60 60 130 500 83.33
0143   Snorlax 160 110 65 65 65 30 495 82.5
0144   Articuno 90 85 100 125 125 85 610 101.67
0145   Zapdos 90 90 85 125 125 100 615 102.5
0146   Moltres 90 100 90 125 125 90 620 103.33
0147   Dratini 41 64 45 50 50 50 300 50
0148   Dragonair 61 84 65 70 70 70 420 70
0149   Dragonite 91 134 95 100 100 80 600 100
0150   Mewtwo 106 110 90 154 154 130 744 124
0151   Mew 100 100 100 100 100 100 600 100


--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 13:32, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

(resetting indent)This should be simple.

 

This wiki covers Pokémon games. This page addresses the Generation I games. Generation I has five statistics. You can see this fairly clearly on images like to the right. Since these five stats are what's in the Generation I games, those are the stats that this page will cover.

We will not introduce a fake Gen I stat just because they changed things in Generation II and you don't like that you can't directly compare the pure stats. Many people know that stats were different in Gen I. So far, you're the first person who's had any problem with this "incongruence" between Gen I and later games. But if we changed it to what you want, I guarantee we'd quickly have many people complaining about that change.

The Generation I games were made with Pokemon only having 5 base stats. It was changed in Generation II. If you want something done about that, you may like to contact The Pokémon Company or Game Freak and perhaps see if they can do something about it in some future distribution of the Generation I games. In the meantime, it is not our place to make up stats just to make things "match". We describe the games as they are. So until your mail campaign bears fruit, we're stuck with 5 stats on this article.

Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

You don't have to be so rude and treat me like an idiot while I'm just trying to discuss a simple issue. I know there are only 5 stats in the game, by showing me this you're just missing my point. I'm okay with not adding it on the main page if you really insist, so I'll just go compromise and I leave the table in the talk page.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 14:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
I do apologize for not curbing my frustration fully. From my point of view, I was more or less repeating myself and you managed to not address my fundamental point each time. I was trying to keep my responses simple, but since it wasn't working, I thought I needed to do something different (and just yelling "What part of there are only 5 stats don't you get" didn't seem like the right answer). So I tried hammering on it more extensively. I did not mean to treat you "like an idiot", but the rudeness that leaked through is on me. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Would it be so bad to have an extra column saying "BST (modern scale)" which accounts for the Special stat doing double duty? because sure it's just one number but it being offensive and defensive at the same time certainly makes it a 2-in-1 stat, and would be a bit more evident of the "true power" of a given pokemon.
My1 18:46, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
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