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 :::Don't forget to roundy it too. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 ::::It's bad idea to replace Snagging with C, as C is used for Poké Spot Pokémon. Also deleted Pal Park, as nothing uses it (and aside from event Pokémon, the only that could use that are Regis). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 15:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
-:::::Okay well I tidied up, fixed a few errors and added Pokéwalker info. I might start on the Dream World column soon since in places such as [[List_of_Nintendo_event_Pokémon_with_in-game_effects|here]] it has it's own box with a pink styling, so a column to match that will do. [[User:EV Love|EV Love]] ([[User talk:EV Love|talk]]) 04:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
+:::::Okay well I tidied up, fixed a few errors and added Pokéwalker info. I might start on the Dream World column soon since in places such as [[List of event Pokémon with in-game effects|here]] it has it's own box with a pink styling, so a column to match that will do. [[User:EV Love|EV Love]] ([[User talk:EV Love|talk]]) 04:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 ::::::Need help with that? I could add it for you. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:45, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 :::::::Yeah go ahead, remember to change the Avail template for each gen. [[User:EV Love|EV Love]] ([[User talk:EV Love|talk]]) 18:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
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 Maybe those species could have a label of TE, to distinguish them from both the other E's and also from the "even more inaccessible" T's. But the background ought to be white just like the T's, assuming you can't get the evolution by some other means (like Milotic in OR/AS, or Gengar from an SOS chain in S/M). [[User:SadisticMystic|SadisticMystic]] ([[User talk:SadisticMystic|talk]]) 03:16, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
+:Regarding your first paragraph, I believe currently, colored background means you don't need ''different'' versions, not that you only need one copy. (I don't take a stance regarding your second paragraph.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:46, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
+== Definition of obtainable in-game ==
+Why are the D's considered obtainable, and the T's are not, despite that they both require interacting with another game? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:30, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
+:There's no perfect answer. Dual-slot mode has greater or lesser similarities in both directions. If we changed it, someone could just as easily ask why we don't call it in-game.
+:IMO, trading (i.e., anything you have to catch in another game first; so this includes something like Dream Radar) and events are the things that definitely are not in-game. Almost anything else is in-game. (I haven't explicitly considered every alternative, though.) You still catch dual-slot Pokemon in-game basically exactly like regular wild Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:47, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
+::I thought this article was meant to clearly categorize each Pokémon into either "requires one copy of a game" or "requires multiple games or an event". Is it not? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:37, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
+:::Are you saying that's your opinion? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:43, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
+::::It was, until this discussion started. Now I don't know whether this article was ever intended for said purpose. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
+:::::Alright. If other people would like to offer their own opinions, it may be worth considering changing something. If not, though, then that probably means it's fine as is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
+::::::I have to chime in and agree with Sumwun; I don't see the point of a page like this, why it exists, if not to indicate what is and isn't available per single copy of a single game. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
+:::::::As it stands the way the page is structured, there's no way it can easily distinguish "one copy of one game": you can only obtain one starter Pokémon in a game, not three; you can only choose one of the fossils at {{rt|111|Hoenn}}; for {{p|Giratina}} to be encountered in OR/AS/US/UM, it needs both {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}, both of which can't be obtained in one of the games alone, etc.
+:::::::This page ignores these, and merely matches the shading on the pages of individual Pokémon, which is about all that you can ask for in an abbreviated form like this page. (How the key is categorized is also independent of the shading in the table: EV is considered "Obtainable in-game" but is not shaded.) --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:06, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
+== Both C and R ==
+What do we do with Pokemon that can be caught and received, like Emerald Horsea or Pt Eevee? Right now the table lists them inconsistently, and I personally think R should take priority over C. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:25, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
+== Additional Rows ==
+I want to add these 2 rows to the table.
+{| class="roundy" style="border:3px solid #88a; margin:auto"
+|-
+! style="background:#88a; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Symbol
+! style="background:#88a; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Meaning
+|-
+| TC
+| The Pokémon can be {{pkmn2|caught}} in-game after somehow interacting with another game.
+|-
+| TE
+| The Pokémon cannot be caught in-game, but an earlier evolutionary stage can be obtained. It can be [[evolution|evolved]] into the Pokémon in this game by trading.
+|}
+Examples for the first row include DPPt Spiritomb and Regigigas and ORAS Giratina. Examples for the second row include RBY Golem and GSC Politoed. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:25, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
+== Can we put the overview in its own article? ==
+The overview is very long and takes somewhat time to scroll through to actually get to the list. Most other list pages have very breif content prior to the lists, if at all. The overview seems like it could get its own at the rate it's expanding, but if there's elswhere that could be a better pick, let me know. [[User:CoolMan6001|CoolMan6001]] ([[User talk:CoolMan6001|talk]]) 22:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
+:<s>That makes sense, we could move the overview into its own article. Maybe the new article could be called [[Pokémon availability]]. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 22:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)</s>
+:I've been thinking, I'm actually not really sure. The overview helps to understand the list below. I'll wait to see if anyone else has anything to add, but I'm leaning towards keeping the overview and the list together. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 10:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
+::What I have to agree to is that, for me personally, the article has become way less usable. I want to see the list when I'm here (and the article is still titled "List of", so I expect this also applies to many others), I don't want to scroll down eternally to see it. (I actually think this change could have been discussed beforehand.) If there's some solution that enables that (a split; shortening the overview; ...), that'd be fine with me. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
+:::I think this article is too large even without the overview. The text at the top (sections "Overview" and "Availability by generations") are about 28 kB. The whole article is about 123 kB. So that text is a bit more than 1/5 of the article. Maybe we can split the article into various lists of Pokémon by generation or something?
+:::That aside, is "List of Pokémon by availability" a good title in the first place? This article is not really a list of Pokémon by availability. It's just a list of Pokémon by their Pokédex number, and their availability. A list of Pokémon by availability would be a list of catchable Pokémon, a list of evolvable Pokémon, a list of gift Pokémon, etc. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 20:41, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
+::::What I was trying to say was that [[Special:Permalink/3119008|this version]] was perfectly fine (better) for a list article.
+::::By Pokédex number is about the only reasonable way I can think of that allows for displaying all that information across different generations. Also note that many "List of Pokémon" articles are lists of Pokémon by dex number and then some attribute (such as [[List of Pokémon by wild held item]]). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
+:::::Are there any articles bigger than this one? We should probably split those before worrying about this article's size. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Sumwun|contribs]]) 03:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
+::::::Yes, there are. This one is currently the 77th largest article. The top largest currently are [[Timeline of events in the anime]], [[Easy chat system]], and [[Sun & Moon TCG Era merchandise]]. Full list: [[Special:LongPages]]. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 03:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
+== Trade Evolutions ==
+Can I add a separate category for trade evolutions? I think they're notably different from other evolutions because they can't evolve using only one copy of a game. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Sumwun|contribs]]) 17:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
+:I like this idea. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 04:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
+::I also like it, but the problem I have is: Which would cases like {{p|Machamp}} in Yellow be, where you only need one copy (since there's an NPC that trades their Machoke)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
+:::In-game trade.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span> <span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">Report To Me</span>]])''' 14:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
+::::True. In that case: I like the idea. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:01, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
+:::::I did the edit. Can other people make sure I didn't misplace any T's? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Sumwun|contribs]]) 20:36, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
+::::::Didn't want to change it unilaterally, especially since you suggested that years ago and nobody contested it, but I think it should be "ET" rather than "TE" because EVE/DRE/EvE mean you start EV/DR/Ev and evolve it (which is not the case here) and because it's much more useful to view it as a T subgroup of E than an E subgroup of T. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:58, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::I personally don't care what letters you use as long as they're different from 'E' and 'T'. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Sumwun|contribs]]) 21:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
+::::::::Changed it, then, and made sure they replaced what were E's before. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
+== Adding Pokémon GO ==
+Should Pokémon GO be added to the table? It might be useful considering it is going to be able to connect to the main series games in the future, and a person looking at this page might want to check what Pokémon are exclusive to Raids or Research breakthroughs. RB could stand for Raid Battles, and RBT could stand for Research BreakThroughs, though I admit that might get confusing. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 16:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
+:At this stage I don't think it's a good idea, partially on grounds of it would become out of date far too easily and we have enough trouble keeping on top of that stuff, if it weren't for TehPerson we'd be so much further behind. Maybe once this linkage is more prominent and not requiring linkage via the Let's Go games, it can be revisited. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 09:36, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
+== Specifying Regional Forms in name box in table ==
+Is it possible to do this? For example an Alolan Rattata would have "Rattata\n(Alolan)" (where the \n signifies a new line) in its name box. I've not been able to figure out how to get a new line in the box, nor how to make it link only the Pokémon and not include the "(Alolan)" part. [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 20:44, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
+:Nevermind, I figured it out by creating a new template. [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 21:11, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
+== Cropping Images ==
+Is it possible to do this? Whether it be through a new template or otherwise. A lot of the Galarian Pokémon and forms have a lot of blank space around their icon, causing a mismatch between the 68x68 Galar icons and the 40x40 icons for the rest of the Pokémon. [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 22:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
+:Done.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span> <span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">Report To Me</span>]])''' 22:19, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
+== Island Scan Differentiation ==
+Should Island Scan pokemon in SM/USUM be outlined differently? Like the Friend Safari, it is a very awkward type to find.
+:That's a very good idea, I went ahead an implemented it, using the "S" that was going unused in Gen 7 in order to avoid cluttering up the Key even more, and since the Pokémon are all technically obtainable in-game without any external help (at least to my knowledge). Also, please remember to sign your post using four tildas (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) whenever you post on a talk page, thanks! [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
+== Merge D and G ==
+D and G have such similar meanings that I think it makes sense to merge them. Leaving them separate makes it easier to confuse dual slot and Pokemon Den, which are much less similar and only have the 'D' initial in common. Can I also rename them to "TC" (for "trade catch") or "CC" (for "communicate catch")? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Sumwun|contribs]]) 18:38, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
+:That sounds like a good idea. I would suggest potentially leaving the 'D' as is, since it's been like that for some time now, and only changing the 'G' to make things clearer. [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 18:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
+::Agreeing with Gameskiller. (Actually, nobody ever bothered to give 'G' the background it deserved.)
+::I don't like your ideas for a rename either. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
+:::I think the background should remain white because the Pokemon isn't normally obtainable, even though it's caught in-game. EV's background is white for the same reason. So both of you agree that Pokemon that require communication to catch, including dual-slot Pokemon, should be marked "G", not "TC" or "CC"? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Sumwun|contribs]]) 17:23, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
+::::I think the key should really be order of priority, and everything above "Not obtainable in-game" should have a background, while everything below shouldn't. The cases are similar, that's why you proposed to merge them, right? So, especially after merging 'G' into 'D', it should have a background. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:33, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
+:::::I think "obtainable without communication" is a more important distinction than "obtainable in-game", because it affects people who have only one device or one copy of a game, and "obtainable in-game" only affects people who impose this restriction on themselves. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Sumwun|contribs]]) 18:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
+::::::Very good point. Feel free to ignore my latest comment, then. (I failed to respect that distinction at that time, and I have no idea/comment right now, except that background vs. no background should depend on the letter imo.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::I went ahead and changed "G" to "CC" since I think it's a clearer description, given that the letter "G" doesn't really have any relation to it. I didn't merge it with "D", though, since I think Dual-Slot is unique enough to warrant its own description. I did, however, remove the background from the Dual-Slot Pokémon, so now all of the Pokémon with backgrounds in each column should be all of the Pokémon that can be obtained with only a single copy of that 1 game and nothing else. I also added a separate distinction for Pokémon that can only be obtained by evolving a Dual-Slot Pokémon. [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 00:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
+== Moving Meltan and Melmetal to their own little section ==
+I think it could be a good idea to move these 2 Pokémon into their own little table underneath the Gen 7 table, since these Pokémon being in the Gen 7 table means that all Pokémon in that table need to have the LGPE columns, even though it's useless for the other 85 of them. Moving them to their own little section would remove the need for the LGPE columns in the Gen 7 table, and would also remove the need for the SM/USUM columns for Meltan and Melmetal. Plus, their official designation is "Unknown Origins", so it's not even like it would be out of place to have them separated.<br>Alternatively, the Let's Go games as a whole could be moved to a new section, similar to how the regional variants were before they got merged with the main tables. and remove the LGPE columns from all the main tables entirely. This could help to de-clutter the Gen 1 table a little bit, as well as making things cleaner if they make future Let's Go games as they would have their own section, and would also fix the issue with Meltan and Melmetal without them having to have their own section. [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 17:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
+== Spinoff Games ==
+Is it worth it to potentially add information about how to obtain each Pokémon in each of the spinoff games in which they appear? (I'm particularly thinking of TCG (Game Boy), Snap, Pinball, TCG 2, Pinball: R/S, Trozei, Mystery Dungeon Red/Blue, Ranger, Mystery Dungeon Time/Darkness, Ranger 2, Mystery Dungeon Sky, Rumble, Mystery Dungeon Blazing/Stormy/Light Adventure Squad, PokéPark Wii, Ranger 3, Rumble Blast, PokéPark 2, Conquest, Mystery Dungeon Gates to Infinity, Rumble U, Battle Trozei, Shuffle, Rumble World, Shuffle Mobile, Super Mystery Dungeon, Picross, Go, Quest, and Mystery Dungeon DX). Different Pokémon can be obtained in different ways in each of these games, and this is potentially valuable information that is currently being left on the table. Should it be added to this page, made into its own page, or just left out entirely? --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 08:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
+:For some of those big series, I would suggest using separate pages:
+:* [[List of Pokémon by availability (Mystery Dungeon)]] - with a list of all Pokémon in the Mystery Dungeon series
+:* [[List of Pokémon by availability (Ranger)]]
+:* And so on.
+: --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 13:24, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
+::I'm working on it but I struggle to harmonize the columns' widths: [[User:Kristak/Sandbox/List of Pokémon by availability (Mystery Dungeon)]]. Does anyone know why it happens?[[User:Kristak|Kristak]] ([[User talk:Kristak|talk]]) 16:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
+== Dream World ==
+Since Dream World is the one form of availability that has been retired (at least officially), it should probably be removed from the main table and have a table listing all base Pokémon that could have been obtained with it, similarly to how [[Spinda's Café#Recruitment|Spinda's Café]] article does it. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:38, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
+:Yes, I agree. In my opinion, the Dream World should be removed from this list as you said. But let's also make sure some other page lists the Pokémon that were once available in the Dream World anyway (for historical value if nothing else, even if they are unavailable now). --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 14:09, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
+:Personally I believe that the Dream World should instead be included in the BW/B2W2 columns in a similar way to how the Friend Safari is included in the XY columns, since that doesn't remove it entirely from the list but still removes the extra column, and only shows a Pokémon as having to come from the Dream World if that was the only way to obtain one in Gen 5 without transferring up from previous generations. [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 14:21, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
+::Would this be above event in priority or only above trading/transfer? [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 22:11, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
+:::I would say that it should have a higher priority than events, since at least Dream World Pokémon were universally available for the time that it was up while events weren't, and neither are available anymore. [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 22:25, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
+::::Either that, or honestly I wouldn't mind having it as is, and just mentioning at the beginning of the section that PW is now defunct. If the glaring color is what is bothering you (as that usually indicates "can get this right now", we could just make it light-colored or striped via the template!? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:09, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
+== PokéWalker ==
+Could it be a good idea to merge the PokéWalker column with the HGSS columns, similar to how the Dream World column was merged with the BWB2W2 columns and the Friend Safari column was merged with the XY columns previously? With the recent addition of the BDSP columns, and potential future addition of a Legends Arceus column, I believe that some of the tables are getting a bit too big, especially for Gen 1.<br>I think it would be for the best if the amount of columns was minimised, which would involve creating a separate Key entry for the PokéWalker and removing that column from the table and merging the information with the HGSS columns instead, much like how the Friend Safari and Dream World were merged into their respective columns in the past. Plus, with the existence of a separate "[[List of Pokémon found through the Pokéwalker]]" page, I don't think it's necessary to duplicate all of that information on this page. Thoughts? [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 14:48, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
+:I agree that we should merge the Pokéwalker column with the HGSS one by putting priority over the main games over the Pokéwalker for Pokémons that can be found in both HGSS and the Pokéwalker like Woobuffet which can be found in the Dark Cave and the Noisy Forest. [[User:Kristak|Kristak]] ([[User talk:Kristak|talk]]) 15:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
+== Sinnoh Trophy Garden: S instead of C? ==
+For Pokémon that can only be caught by using the "special" slot of the Trophy Garden, like Meowth and Porygon, the mechanics of that location are remarkably similar to swarms. Since S is presumably separate from C to convey a specific message--"This Pokémon is not reliably available to catch all the time, but rather only if you get lucky and have it chosen as the one possibility that's active for the day"--is there any reason that same philosophy can't apply to Trophy Garden? [[User:SadisticMystic|SadisticMystic]] ([[User talk:SadisticMystic|talk]]) 22:14, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
+:Sounds pretty reasonable to me, yes. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
+== It's time to split this up ==
+I know this article is far from largest on the site, but for this type of the data and the way it's presented, it has gotten to the point that we need to split it up. This layout would be fine for Google Sheets or something, but not as a series of hardcoded tables. I honestly feel the only way to split it up would be by generation column-wise (so RBY gets its own article, GSC its own, etc). I can’t even view all of gen I on my computer screen anymore without having to scroll or zoom, and it’s going to get worse with every new game if we stay with this format.
+Nowadays with more people using this site on mobile, having each table be only 3-7 columns wide would fit perfectly on screens. Trying to see if an early gen Pokémon is in a later gen game is currently a nightmare, and most people only need to look at the generation of games they’re playing anyway. If they really need multiple gens side by side, they can easily paste the table into Sheets/Excel/etc. I’ve been making occasional edits to this page since gen IV and even back then it was a pain in the butt to tell which row or column you’re reading or changing, but now it seems even messier with all the regional variants added (with more on the way in Legends Arceus).
+So by splitting the article "vertically", we can eliminate all the blank space from the earlier game tables for regional forms or anything else added in a later gen. We can also simplify the symbols by giving each page its own key since we have so many symbols we need to use to distinguish ways of obtaining Pokémon in different gens. Columns removed long ago due to space concerns could be reinstated, such as the Pokéwalker in gen IV and Dream World in gen V (even though it’s retired, it’d still have some historical value). We could even add an event column to each article for distributions that occurred during those gens, but I digress. The articles should still have a different table for each generation of Pokémon (for situations like gen VII not needing a Let’s Go column for everyone), and the huge “Availability by generation” section could be separated into each article. Lastly, we could add sorting functionality to each table which would be very convenient.
+I know this was previously discussed and we were considering splitting it up horizontally (meaning split by generations of Pokémon instead of games), but this wouldn’t solve the readability issues and probably be even more of a pain to someone wanting to see everything available in the game they’re playing. Even though it’s not the largest article, it still seems to take as long to load, if not longer than the largest articles on the site possibly due to all the formatting. In general, I feel like this overhaul would solve more problems than it could cause. Anyone agree? [[User:EV Love|EV Love]] ([[User talk:EV Love|talk]]) 17:37, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
+:I'm torn on this. On one hand, I quite often look at a Pokémon's availablity across the entire series, as I like to find the earliest game where a Pokémon can be found in "mint condition" so to speak (as in, not having to evolve in order to obtain it). On the other, I recognise that that's probably a very niche use-case, and that the page being very difficult to read on mobile is probably a more pressing issue. I have also found that it can be extremely difficult to edit as it's very hard to tell which column you're actually editing. But back on the other hand again, having all of the information available in 1 single place is far more convinient than having it split across 8+ different articles. I will say that if the page is to be split, I definitely agree that it should be split vertically. Splitting it horizontally would've made it a massive pain to find which Pokémon are available in each game, as you mention, but splitting it vertically at least allows people to see all of the Pokémon available in a certain game on 1 page. [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 17:59, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
+::That’s a good point as I myself am very into checking data like that (especially for legality purposes), but I feel like the game locations section on each individual Pokémon’s article usually suffices for situations when looking across all generations is necessary. I've also noticed that a number of other lists on the site are split by generation (such as the Pokémon index numbers, and those could easily fit into one page of tables without being overwhelmingly large). I know the article doesn’t seem too intimidating to those of us who are familiar with it or have worked on it, but I can’t say the same for casual players. I remember when my friend was playing through Let’s Go rand asked me if there’s a list somewhere of Pokémon who can only be obtained through evolving. I sent him this page and he responded “I’m not even going to try reading that”. I don’t mean to criticize anyone who has worked on this article as the data integrity is very good and accurate, it just needs to be presented better. I initially thought of grouping together gens that had a significant level of interfacing into one page (such as gens 1 & 2 or 3 & 4) but this gets subjective and the lines are blurry. So for consistency with other lists on the site I think it’d be best to just have 8 pages. I would definitely be willing to help out on the editing necessary as well. [[User:EV Love|EV Love]] ([[User talk:EV Love|talk]]) 06:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
+:With the death of the 3DS eShop pretty much cutting off the older games from HOME for most new players, I think it should be split into two pages. The main page should have only the games that are compatible with HOME, so LGPE onward, and there should be a separate "pre-HOME" page that has everything up to USUM and maybe the Pokéwalker/Dream World columns. If emulated versions of some of the old games come to Switch they would be on both pages. If the Switch eShop sticks around, the table will probably get just as big in 10-20 years but people will still be picking up SwSh and transferring Pokémon from the latest game into them. [[User:Pikcahu|Pikcahu]] ([[User talk:Pikcahu|talk]]) 16:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
+== Space-time Distortions ==
+For [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]], should there be a separate symbol for Pokémon that can only be caught in space-time distortions? -[[User:Ratboy Jr.|Ratboy Jr.]] ([[User talk:Ratboy Jr.|talk]]) 19:46, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
+== Changing "D" for dual-slot to the more all-encompasing "CC" instead ==
+I think it makes more sense, pretty much every other way that Pokémon can be caught after communicating with another game is already under CC, I don't think dual-slot mons need their own denomination. Plus, since D is already used as a suffix to indicte Pokémon caught through DLC I think it could get a bit confusing. [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 17:01, 3 December 2022 (UTC)