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| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Mortality trio}} | | colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Aura trio|Mortality trio}} | ||
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== Mortality Trio, yet again == | |||
Quick question here: Why hasn't this been added to the page yet? It's all too obvious, even the shows season has a subtitle of X(erneas)Y(veltal)Z(ygarde). Of course without the names though...[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 05:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::The problem with that is that the only way they'd be able to do that now is through the tv show. Gen 7 is coming up now, and Nintendo isn't gonna go and add in a random piece of info like that. Actually, that thinking doesn't even make sense. They have never come out and stated that "these three form a trio." It's just always heavily implied because they usually share common themes. Again: Every trio listed on the page has never been confirmed to exist, they're all just pairings from fans like us with strong evidence to support it. Also, it makes more sense to call them the Yggdrasil Trio, as they are all based on Nordic mythology. [[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 07:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC) | :Well, again it's still not confirmed completely, they've just put <strike>obvious</strike> ''subtle'' hints that they are, once it's outright confirmed then it will be added.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]07:02, 16 July 2016 (UTC) | ||
::The problem with that is that the only way they'd be able to do that now is through the tv show. Gen 7 is coming up now, and Nintendo isn't gonna go and add in a random piece of info like that. Actually, that thinking doesn't even make sense. They have never come out and stated that "these three form a trio." It's just always heavily implied because they usually share common themes. Again: Every trio listed on the page has never been confirmed to exist, they're all just pairings from fans like us with strong evidence to support it. Also, it makes more sense to call them the Yggdrasil Trio, as they are all based on Nordic mythology. [[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 07:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::They could connect them via Gen VII, Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan weren't related until Gen II, so anything can happen. The previous trios were outright confirmed, Giratina was made at the same time Dialga and Palkia were born, Kyurem is the shell of the original dragon (which Reshiram and Zekrom are split from, further hammered in by the combined forms), the Regi's shaped the continent (and their connection is further hammered in by Regigigas), the Beast trio where revived by Ho-oh, and the second movie explains the bird trio (I believe).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 07:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::Alright, but what happens if they just don't confirm it? What happens if they leave it off as heavily implied? Also, I'd like to point out that Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan have Hex IDs that come right after each other, AND Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original batch that were created, but we're not put into the original games due to limitations.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 08:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::If they don't confirm it, then nothing happens. They would just be left separated. Where's your source that Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original 190? The index list only has those past Scizor to fill in the blanks, it doesn't indicate anything.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 08:24, 16 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::Actually, I stumbled across this on the official trading card website when I was researching more about he topic. I don't know if it helps, but I'd like to paste it here and see if it's useful: http://xy10.pokemontcgxy.com/en-us/legendary.php.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 09:01, 16 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::That just groups them together, it doesn't shed light on ''how'' they're related.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 09:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Gen VI Trio == | |||
I think it is pretty certain by now that gen VI and now VII broke the template and deviated from the path the other games took. With that said, I think there was enough evidence provided in the SS036 episode to verify that Yveltal, Xerneas and Zygarde are all related under an environmental theme. So I purpose we amend the article to include them under Aura Trio, Eco Trio/Environment trio or XYZ Trio. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:48, 28 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:Sycamore says, "I believe both Xerneas and Yveltal are incarnations of nature that take care of the land, that is their task and their purpose. And when the natural order is undone, Zygarde appears in order to balance it. These three powerful Pokemon preside over the neverending cycle of life." Which is pretty compelling. | |||
:I say Aura Trio or Order Trio for the name, preferably Aura Trio. Mortality Trio doesn't make sense with Zygarde, and the Pokémon community calls it mostly by the Aura Trio. But then again, we have chosen fan names in the past over another fan name that is more widely used... --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 13:30, 28 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
::I messaged ForceFire yesterday morning, but haven't gotten a response <s>even though I know he/she has been online because of response to other messages</s>. I'm going to link to this discussion on the Zygarde page, and perhaps with another moderator. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 13:55, 29 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::Well Mortality was only a placeholder for the Mortality Duo until another fan name was adopted for the two or they were turned into a trio. it was only meant for those two and not meant to apply to a trio. In fact in the earlier days most people had issue with the term "mortality" mistaking it to mean 100% death instead of both life and death. As for the trio, I am leaning more towards Aura Trio since the side game like Pokemon Rumble World make reference to it. That's as cannon as you can get. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::Well, we can't really do anything until we get a response. It's been three days since I notified ForceFire. I tried talking to Tiddlywinks and he said that it wasn't his specialty but he'd let ForceFire know. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 14:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::::Sorry for the delay. The SS036 basis for calling them a trio is good. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:44, 1 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::::Cool, I'll add it. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 14:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
{{indent}} Now that we're considering them a trio, what should be the name we use for them? Since this isn't the only page affected by the change, I was going to start updating others, like [[Legendary Pokémon]] and [[aura trio|mortality duo]], but I realized I can't do a whole lot without knowing our preferred name for the trio (even if it's something as clunky as "mortality duo and Zygarde"). What name should we be using now? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
:Since there's not really an official name I think we should be going by what the fans use most, but I'm not sure what that is. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#98CC00">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#FFC37D">onkey</span>]] 20:57, 1 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
::We should just keep it as Aura Trio, since it is being used in Rumble, and the 3 abilities all contain aura. The other fan names are not really as common. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 06:22, 2 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::Aura Trio is fine, it's somewhat/semi official if it was used in Rumble.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F1912B">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F6B775">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#5599CA">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#90BDDC">ire</span>]] 07:24, 2 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::Now there is the matter of the article stating all trios have a master. I doubt a general consensus has been reached as to if Zygarde is a master of the trio or not. Everyone was adamant in waiting for a third gen VI game to confirm anything but we got gen VII and in the Moon pokedex entry for Zygarde 100% it states "This is Zygarde's 100% form. It has enough power to overwhelm even Xerneas or Yveltal." and given its Aura Break ability and the fact it was sought out by Blue in the manga to put an end to Xerneas and Yveltal's battle. if these three things are not enough for it to be dubbd a master, then the article should be amended to have the statement about masters removed or reworded.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:34, 2 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
== We could add the Legendary Quartet page? == | |||
Now we have the Musketeers and the Guardian Deities, we could add a page named Legendary Quartet? [[User:Pika fanatic|Pika fanatic]] ([[User talk:Pika fanatic|talk]]) 00:47, 11 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
:Honestly, a page for two groups seems a little bit excessive to me. Duos and trios at least have been a precedent in Pokemon for a while. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 02:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Ultra Necrozma == | |||
Since Ultra Necrozma now has a Base Stat Total well over 600, is considered a Legendary Pokémon, and is not part of a legendary trio, should the trivia about Mewtwo at the bottom of this page be removed? Also, if it's not removed, at least make a reference to the fact that other Legendary Pokémon can achieve higher BSTs with form changes. --[[User:LavaringX|LavaringX]] ([[User talk:LavaringX|talk]]) 02:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC) | |||