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Just a question, but where exactly is "Kris" the official spelling? "Crys" or "Crystal" make more sense to me, considering the names of the other heroes.--[[User:Biccy|Biccy]] 19:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | Just a question, but where exactly is "Kris" the official spelling? "Crys" or "Crystal" make more sense to me, considering the names of the other heroes.--[[User:Biccy|Biccy]] 19:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
:It's in the list of available names. <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span> | :It's in the list of available names. <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 20:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
::Additionally, the back of the US [[Pokémon Crystal|Crystal]] box says in one area, "New female trainer '''Kris''' faces the {{p|Unown}}." If that and the screenshot are not confirmation enough, I don't know what is. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | ::Additionally, the back of the US [[Pokémon Crystal|Crystal]] box says in one area, "New female trainer '''Kris''' faces the {{p|Unown}}." If that and the screenshot are not confirmation enough, I don't know what is. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
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== Kris in Pokemon Stadium 2 == | == Kris in Pokemon Stadium 2 == | ||
[[File:Kris PS2.png]] | [[a:File:Kris PS2.png]] | ||
This is the only thing I can do, if it's not good enough, then, is there a way to get it from the game? It's in the credits just to add.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#003366">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#8C92AC">''Blue''</span>]]''' 02:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC) | This is the only thing I can do, if it's not good enough, then, is there a way to get it from the game? It's in the credits just to add.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#003366">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#8C92AC">''Blue''</span>]]''' 02:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Do you have a way of taking screenshots? [[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cu</font>]][[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Tan">bo</font>]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green color light">ne</font>]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Black">King</font>]] 02:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | :Do you have a way of taking screenshots? [[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cu</font>]][[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Tan">bo</font>]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green color light">ne</font>]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Black">King</font>]] 02:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:::::Well, I wouldn't recommend capturing off a Youtube video, but a Youtube video does make a good reference for time code references. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wba6WwOj5IM Try this video] around the 3:48 mark; bottom right of the battle scene, Kris's icon appears in her original {{v2|Crystal}} incarnation (for obvious reasons; odds are her {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} redesign probably wasn't even on the drawing board yet), with the opposite corner having the [[Generation II]] [[Silver (game)|rival]]. It's the second-to-last such scene played in the credits (the last such scene, the one after Kris's appearance, has an interesting anime allusion involving {{ga|Blue}} and {{ga|Red}}). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | :::::Well, I wouldn't recommend capturing off a Youtube video, but a Youtube video does make a good reference for time code references. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wba6WwOj5IM Try this video] around the 3:48 mark; bottom right of the battle scene, Kris's icon appears in her original {{v2|Crystal}} incarnation (for obvious reasons; odds are her {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} redesign probably wasn't even on the drawing board yet), with the opposite corner having the [[Generation II]] [[Silver (game)|rival]]. It's the second-to-last such scene played in the credits (the last such scene, the one after Kris's appearance, has an interesting anime allusion involving {{ga|Blue}} and {{ga|Red}}). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::Kris appears there because... Stadium 2 was Generation II. Duh? That's like saying that Ash in his Kanto/Orange/Johto clothes in an old episode is because they hadn't thought of the Hoenn or Sinnoh outfits yet. It's... because that's what he wore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#80964B">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C4E673">chidna</span>]]''' 02:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | ::::::Kris appears there because... Stadium 2 was Generation II. Duh? That's like saying that Ash in his Kanto/Orange/Johto clothes in an old episode is because they hadn't thought of the Hoenn or Sinnoh outfits yet. It's... because that's what he wore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#80964B">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C4E673">chidna</span>]]''' 02:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::::I uploaded a better version from The Spriters Resource and added the portrait to the page. "Portrait from the credits in Stadium 2": is that right? Is "Credits portrait from Stadium 2" better? --[[User:RafaelGN|RafaelGN]] ([[User talk:RafaelGN|talk]]) 21:18, 22 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Merger tiems == | == Merger tiems == | ||
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It seems there is only one Overworld sprite for Kris which is when she is facing forwards. Are the side and upward facing sprites generic or just missing? There also don't appear to be any sprites for Kris in HG or SS. {{unsigned|Pokepro97}} | It seems there is only one Overworld sprite for Kris which is when she is facing forwards. Are the side and upward facing sprites generic or just missing? There also don't appear to be any sprites for Kris in HG or SS. {{unsigned|Pokepro97}} | ||
:Why would we need images of overworld kris facing left, right or up? it's unnecessary. Kris wasn't in HGSS, so naturally she wouldn't have overworld sprites from those games.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 08:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC) | :Why would we need images of overworld kris facing left, right or up? it's unnecessary. Kris wasn't in HGSS, so naturally she wouldn't have overworld sprites from those games.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 08:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC) | ||
::Because she is in Generation II and people use the sprites to identify them. If I saw the sideways sprites, I might actually recogise if I remember her ingame or not and whether I am on the right page or not. {{unsigned|Pokepro97}} | |||
:::How do you not know if the player character is in the game? <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 02:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
::::So... people won't recognize the sprite of Kris facing the screen? And there are plenty of images on this [age to make you realize that you're on the right page.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 03:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
:::::More than one picture helps. Overall, they are images from the game and there is no harm in having them on there, even if just a link to the archives to make the article complete. [[User:Pokepro97|Pokepro97]] ([[User talk:Pokepro97|talk]]) 05:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC). | |||
== {{template|unknown name}}? == | == {{template|unknown name}}? == | ||
Why is it that Kris has this template at the top of her page when all other player characters are considered to have their default name as their "official name"? [[User:Schiffy|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Schiffy (瀬藤健二)</span>]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF6600">Talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF0000">Contribs</span>]]) 17:18, 4/6/2014 (UTC) | Why is it that Kris has this template at the top of her page when all other player characters are considered to have their default name as their "official name"? [[User:Schiffy|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Schiffy (瀬藤健二)</span>]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF6600">Talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF0000">Contribs</span>]]) 17:18, 4/6/2014 (UTC) | ||
:Most of the other characters are either in the as a rival character, which only uses one name (the player characters in RSE/DPPt/HGSS/BW/BW2/XY), from internal data (Leaf), or they show up in other games (Red and Blue). Kris' name isn't used in anything besides on box art. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 17:32, 6 April 2014 (UTC) | :Most of the other characters are either in the as a rival character, which only uses one name (the player characters in RSE/DPPt/HGSS/BW/BW2/XY), from internal data (Leaf), or they show up in other games (Red and Blue). Kris' name isn't used in anything besides on box art. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 17:32, 6 April 2014 (UTC) | ||
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:::I actually get what Funk is saying. Kris, Leaf, and Silver only ever use a player-chosen name in all their appearances (even Hilbert and Hilda show up with those names in the Subway). Because of this, they have no "official" name as an NPC, the most we really have is the first option on the list if there even is one. [[User:Schiffy|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Schiffy (瀬藤健二)</span>]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF6600">Talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF0000">Contribs</span>]]) 17:58, 4/6/2014 (UTC) | :::I actually get what Funk is saying. Kris, Leaf, and Silver only ever use a player-chosen name in all their appearances (even Hilbert and Hilda show up with those names in the Subway). Because of this, they have no "official" name as an NPC, the most we really have is the first option on the list if there even is one. [[User:Schiffy|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Schiffy (瀬藤健二)</span>]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF6600">Talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF0000">Contribs</span>]]) 17:58, 4/6/2014 (UTC) | ||
::::I understand it too, but that doesn't change the fact that she was given a name by somebody in charge of the game in some form. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 18:30, 6 April 2014 (UTC) | ::::I understand it too, but that doesn't change the fact that she was given a name by somebody in charge of the game in some form. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 18:30, 6 April 2014 (UTC) | ||
:Because "Kris" is only used by the back of the American box art as an example, since that's the first name on the list. In fact, her official name is likely Marina since all female player characters that have appeared in the anime share their names (and the whole idea that canons cannot cross is pure fanon in itself). | |||
:Also, "Leaf" is a stupid name because people refuse to accept the theme logic of the main Kanto games. If the guy is called Red and the rival Blue (Green, in Japan), then the most obvious choice for the girl is Green (Blue, in Japan). | |||
:The only characters we have a hard time with knowing their official names are Ethan (in Generation II's context) and "Silver". Ethan's Generation II name is {{tt|most likely Jimmy in English|I know about 4Kids screwing up their names in the dub but The Legend of Thunder! is their main appearance anyway.}} and definitely Kenta in Japanese. About "Silver", well... I have no idea. | |||
:— [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 15:57, 19 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
Wouldn't Kris be her official English name, even if there is no official Japanese name, because it's on the back of the box? [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 21:54, 7 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
::Think so too. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 17:37, 31 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
::No, since "Kris" does not appear in non-American English box art of Crystal. クリス is also used as the first suggested Japanese name for both "Gold" and Marina. In English Crystal, it's romanized as CHRIS for the hero and KRIS for the heroine. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 20:27, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::But your argument for calling her Marina is somewhat flawed, because by the same logic we'd be calling Red "Ash Ketchum" because Ash is based on Red. Also, I'd like to point out that the Australian boxart also calls her Kris, so it's not just American.[[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 21:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::It really isn't. All the anime counterparts of the female protagonists share the names with their game counterparts (May, Dawn, Iris, Serena). And technically speaking, Game Freak did call Red "Satoshi" but that doesn't matter anymore since Red is his name as an NPC. | |||
::::What about the UK box art and the European localizations? [http://www.gamefaqs.com/gbc/375087-pokemon-crystal-version/images/box-20177 The Japanese box art] definitely doesn't name any of the protagonists, and we should follow the Japanese version while looking up the name for the game's heroine. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 21:57, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::Marina isn't a preprogrammed name, so that obviously isn't an option. Even if it were, Kris is by far the most used within the fandom. The reason female PCs that show up in the anime use their game names is because they appear in the games using those names when not picked as the player (think you forgot that Iris isn't a player character). <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 23:40, 24 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::Preset list names and dummy names are not valid either (otherwise, why doesn't everyone know that Red's and {{ga|Leaf|Green}}'s rival is {{ga|Blue|Terry}}?!). ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'', dub nonwithstanding, is inspired by Crystal (it even has the name in the Japanese title!). And I was referring to main characters, which Misty and Iris are in the anime. Of course, Lyra appeared in the anime as well, while Green, Hilda, and Rosa didn't. | |||
::::::I'm also not suggesting a move but the fact is that "Kris" is not an official name, which is already mentioned in the article. Ethan is also a special case since he doesn't have an official name in the context of Gen II as his names are sound-related like Lyra's so that they match, not to mention that he has two anime counterparts ({{jo|Jimmy}} and {{DL|Ethan (game)|In the anime|Ethan}}). [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 01:01, 25 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Issues with Pokémon Masters EX content == | |||
I understand that keeping most of the Masters-exclusive content in Kris's Masters page is the way to go, but outright forbidding her new official illustration and 4 distinct sprites from appearing here seems a bit extreme to me. The Artwork section looks empty as a result. | |||
Besides, the way her Pokémon Masters EX subsection is being handled is inconsistent with other game characters. Right now, it only says that she forms a sync pair with Totodile, Croconaw and Feraligatr, whereas in pages for other trainers, other Pokémon besides their "main" one are also mentioned. I added her Suicune to the section and the change was reverted. What's up with that? {{unsigned|Thoren}} | |||
:I added her Suicune to the section and the change was reverted. {{unsigned|Thoren}} | |||
::The Suicune bit was valid. It was simply removed as a result of the edit undo. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::Thanks for the reply. What are your thoughts on those specific images being added to the Artwork section?[[User:Thoren|Thoren]] ([[User talk:Thoren|talk]]) 13:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::To elaborate on this inquiry, many game character articles (such as this one) contain brief sections of their manga counterparts with illustrations of them, despite said counterparts having their own separate articles. I think Pokémon Masters could get the same treatment, especially for game character articles without too much content, like Kris's.[[User:Thoren|Thoren]] ([[User talk:Thoren|talk]]) 14:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Move == | |||
I suggest moving this page from "Kris (game)" to simply "[[Kris]]" (which is currently a redirect to this page). | |||
Related discussion: [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub#About the page titles like Red (game), Blue (game), etc.]] --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 02:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | |||