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:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==
== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==
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:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400">'''Zesty'''</span>]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#3CB371">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400">'''Zesty'''</span>]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#3CB371">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#000000">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#191970">''Blue''</span>]]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#000000">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#191970">''Blue''</span>]]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I know this is a VERY old topic, but I've been theorizing for a while that Ranger 1 and XD Take place between Gens 3 and 4, 3 Years after FRLG, and that Colosseum takes place 2 years before FRLG, and would like to submit this theory for consideration. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
For reference, I find it most likely that this ACII timeline is how it plays out: Colo.-(2 Years)->FRLG-(about a month)->Emerald/BoxR+S-(3 Years)->XD-(About 2 months or so)->HGSS-(At LEAST a month, but no more than a year)->Platinum/MyPokemonRanch/BattleRevolution-(Unknown timespan)->Black/White-(Two Years)->Black2/White2/DreamRadar-(A few months to a few years)->X/Y/Bank Since Im not all that knowlegable about Ranger, but it's enough to put Ranger1 around the time of XD and SoA/GS somewhere in Gen 4--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
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sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
== 3000 years prior... ==
In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
== Spin-off games ==
When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon?  Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever.  The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game.  This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
== How ORAS fits into all of this ==
Now, as we all know, Zinna leaves a nice little quote during the Delta episode that implies a multiverse. And, as previously stated, ORAS would cause a time paradox if it were anywhere in the current timeline due to various elements such as Fairy types being just a normal thing while it was a big deal in XY, Mega Evolution being somewhat well known, etc.
This obviously points to the sheer implausibility of ORAS being anywhere in the main timeline. With Zinna's quote in context, could it be Nintendo cleaning up their continuity errors for once? All leads seem to point to it right now.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 05:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Zinnia's quote puts Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire firmly into the same timeline as X and Y. She mentions the ''other'' Hoenn belongs to a world where the Kalos War did not happen and Mega Evolutions aren't well known. ORAS fit into "all this" the same way all remakes do: they replace the older games in the main continuity. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::About your points: breeding, Steel- and Dark-types were "a big deal" in the Johto games, and they're all treated as normal, common things in the original Hoenn games, which happen chronologically before. New features are only treated as such in their first appearance; in all following games, they're treated like they have always been there. This is not news. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The difference being, however, that Gen 1 and 2 are very likely not the same timeline as Gen 3-6, with RS being something of a reboot in terms of continuity, and GS being firmly established as being after Emerald even before HGSS's release, making the whole Steel/Dark Type and Egg debate mostly moot. The other world she speaks of might very well be the verse of Gen 3, which if ORAS is concurrent with Emerald, would make sense at the time. Compounding these facts is that ORAS would create contradictions, regardless if you placed it around the time of FRLG or the time of XY. In addition, while every feature of the original Gen 1 and 2 were retained, with additions and extensions while towns were mostly kept the same with the exception of minor updates, Mauvile is just one example of an absolutely blatent example of intentional differentiation from the originals, along with axing the Battle Tower/Frontier for no good reason. Also, every major character is redesigned, it seems, something neither of the other two remakes did, with the arguable exception of the main characters. And this is of course, ignoring the contradictions in Mega Evolution backstory- Lucario VS. Rayquaza being first to Mega Evolve and Rayquaza making Mega Evolution vs. Xerneas/Yveltal making it via the Ultimate Weapon's radiation (The latter of which I am admittedly fuzzy on the side of Rayquaza's version). I could go on, with details such as the changing of most of the Gyms, Cosplay Pikachu, etc. Generally the reason new features are treated like they always were there I believe is because there isn't usually any of major significance, outside of adding Steel/Dark and Breeding, which a reboot fixed pretty quickly since technically, it was then correct to say it was always there... --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 06:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:Emerald hasn't been canon since HeartGold and SoulSilver, and now Ruby and Sapphire are no longer canon either. I could go on about your points and speculations (the other remakes ''didn't'' have redesigns, really?), but in fact it's as simple as that. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 06:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::There is an interesting claim that you just made.  Would you explain why the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver made Emerald no longer canon?  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::HeartGold and SoulSilver, which take place after the Hoenn events, state that ''Steven'' is the Hoenn Champion. In Emerald canon, Wallace is the titleholder. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 07:04, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Keep in mind, we don't know what happens between generations. Wallace being Champion was implied in Emerald to be a VERY recent development, possibly even happening after you began your journey. So keep in mind, even with Emerald canon, he could have reclaimed his title behind the scenes. After all, Red relinquished his behind the scenes. If anything, I think it cements Emerald as canon by referencing both Aqua and Magma in a negative light. --[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Apparently, Championship is a very fragile thing, futher shown by Iris and Alder...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::As for the redesign thing, I'm aware there were minor tweaks in most cases, but only once or twice did they take very durastic liberties, and it was only with Blue in HGSS and arguably the player characters off the top of my head. Try comparing pretty much any Gym Leader in ORAS to RSE...--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 13:29, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::And ultimately, Steven only remains Champion at the end in RS. He relinquishes his title to Wallace during the Delta episode.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 14:48, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::The PWT in BW2 makes Emerald being canon even more likely. Blue is counted in the Champion Cup, implying they count current AND former Champions. Not only does Wallace appear, but he does so in the Champion Cup and using his Emerald appearance. It seems as if he became Champion in Emerald, then lost the title again to Steven, if he says he is Champion in HGSS on. [[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 17:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Speculation, speculation. The solid fact is that HGSS take place after the Hoenn games and Steven is the Champion - like RSORAS, unlike Emerald. (And have you really paid attention to ORAS? Steven doesn't relinquish his title, he suggests he ''may'' do something like that ''one day''; ''both'' Magma and Aqua are villains in both games, the only difference is which of them is the bigger threat and which reforms first). And, please, don't say there were never radical redesigns in the past, you're insulting everyone's intelligence (Blaine, Karen, the Rocket Executives, there are countless examples). Moreover, PWT is purely fan service and its canonicity is questionable; seriously, it has ''Giovanni'' waltzing around the place. Bottom line: as far as we know, remakes work now the same way they '''''always''''' did. You're desperately trying to find excuses to assume that Game Freak will for some reason change the way things have always been done and somehow deem that a ten year-old game is canon and the newest releases -- telling the same story -- are non-canon. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 20:52, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::Giovanni was allowed to be Gym Leader in the first place, y'know, so I doubt anyone would bat an eye at him if he waltzed into the PWT. And since Driftveil was renovated for the purpose of hosting it, and the events with Colress there, I think it's canonical status is spoken for. Plus, the Rocket Execs? If you're referring to Proton and Petrel, the design was still used by Archer, so... there.And I'm not denying there weren't ANY radical redesigns, but they at least attempted to keep the same appearance with the majority of the characters. A good portion of THE ENTIRE CAST is radically altered and there's a blatent sense they aren't intended to look anyting like the originals (Contrast Emerald Brawly with ORAS Brawly, then GSC Brock with HGSS Brock for my point...) Lastly, I find it a bit hypocritical you'd put "No Speculation" on an article that has pretty much no basis for the placement of Pokemon XD. Im am not implying ORAS is non canon either. That's pure speculation on your part.--[[User:Hwrdjacob|Hwrdjacob]] ([[User talk:Hwrdjacob|talk]]) 22:25, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
== Separate Timeline?  ==
I think Gen VI is set in a separate timeline since Mega Evolution is in the games and isn't in the games prior to them. Also Zinnia states about another Hoenn where Mega Evolution is unknown, which could be the one from RSE. [[User:Ellis99|Ellis99]] ([[User talk:Ellis99|talk]]) 12:54, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
It was confirmed a while ago that the events of X and Y are contemporaneous with the events of BW2 in terms of the timeline of all games as a whole (in other words, BW2 and XY happen at the same time). Plus, it isn't confirmed that the original RSE timeline is the exact alternate Hoenn that Zinnia refers to in the Delta Episode. Plus, I think you took that wrong, even if X and Y are in a different universe, I don't think it is exactly a ''separate timeline'', per se, but rather an alternate universe with a very similar timeline, but with the presence of Mega Evolution and the war. Furthermore, I strongly doubt this would matter much, as this page is already filled to the brim with discrepancy anyways, and Pokemon history is already very unstable and confusing... [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|ScraftyIsTheBest]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 14:43, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
==Origins of Weather Trio==
I haven't played ORAS, so where's the info about the origins of Weather trio coming from? [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 17:09, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
== Error on Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire ==
Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire events(ORAS for short) didn't happen at the same time as original ruby and sapphire, instead, they happen at the same time as the events of XY. the events that happen in ORAS are similar to RS however it's a different universe as was hinted at the delta episode, and also, that explain why looker is found at the battle tower island, not remembering everything, after getting from XY's Kalos to ORAS's Hoenn for unkown reason as it was probably moved between universes!
also, it fixes the trading paradox, as if XY and ORAS are happening in the same time, it's the only explanation of how you can trade betweem the two games(different universes but same time)! whereas it would be impossible to trade from XY to original RS(as RS happens at the past of XY), the assumption that ORAS is not the same time as RS makes sense!!
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 19:52, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:We're not going to rely on fan theories like "it would be impossible to trade [otherwise]" to decide that sort of thing. The only things that seem to date ORAS at all (mentions of Kalos around the Battle Maison, a general mention of the Kalos war 3000 years ago (i.e., it's at least ''roughly'' contemporary with XY), Professor Cozmo mentioning working with Sycamore "a few years ago"...and ''maybe'' the general state of Mega Evolution knowledge) don't place it at any very definite time.
:We may be wrong, but we're hardly certain whether we are or aren't. There's a huge rabbit hole we could go down thanks to the whole parallel universe trick. We can't approach the question of ORAS's place in the timeline haphazardly. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:30, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
well, it can't be 'fan theory' as the fact gen II and gen IV, are happening at the same time and gen I and gen III happening at the same time was made as to give explanation why does both can trade with each other, as otherwise no such explanation were needed(as people wondered how gen I and gen III can trade pokemon in between and same for II and IV).
as you stated, you can't know if it is RS timeline or XY timeline, so placing it at the timeline of RS is wrong as well, and ORAS events should be placed outside of timeline, stating it is happening at a parallel universe, or otherwise, no one told you that ORAS happend the same time as RS.
furthermore, there was no problem with assuming that RGBY and FRGL are same universe and GSC and HGSS are same universe as no trading paradox was made! JUST becuase there would be trading paradox between ORAS and XY if ORAS=RS, they invented the parallel universe thingy, to fix it up.(if in the future a remake of diamond and pearl is made, they can "play" with that parallel universe even again). [[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 20:39, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:<small>I think when you say Gen I, II, III, and IV, you're meaning the events of RBY, GSC, RSE, and DPPt... But saying it like that is incredibly confusing, because Gen III and IV ''also'' contained remakes of the Gen I and II games. If it comes up again, I hope you can remember to be clearer.</small>
:FWIW, the reference at the bottom of the page confirms the basic chronology on this page through XY; so we certainly don't have to rely on direct trading capabilities to "prove" that two stories happened at the same time (up to XY at least).
:Also FWIW, BW and B2W2 can trade, and we're ''quite'' certain those have a non-trivial time difference. Maybe direct trading was part of the justification at one time (I'm not at all sure there weren't other decent reasons, but I'm not interested in researching it that deeply), but given the Gen V games, it's definitely not viable anymore.
:You also have no evidence that the parallel universe thing was invented to "fix" the possibility of some paradox; you're only guessing. (What I'm trying to say is, please try not to put words in the developers' mouths.) Hell, is it even any neater or anything? (IMO, no.) Either you're trading between different times&mdash;which at least we've seen before, first explicitly for RBY and GSC, then quietly for BW and B2W2&mdash;or you're trading (or perhaps transferring, at some point) between parallel universes. Short of another cutoff like Gen II->III, there's probably not a "reasonable" solution if they're going to keep doing remakes.
:All that being said... It may be reasonable to distinguish ORAS from the normal timeline. (That's probably not a decision anyone should take entirely upon themselves, though...) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:32, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
First let me say that aside from remakes of Generation 1 games existing in Generation 3 (FR/LG), there is nothing that strictly says the events of Kanto happened in tandem with the events in Hoenn, unless you have some other source I have not been able to find.
I've done EXTENSIVE research on this and I am glad someone else pointed this out before Sun and Moon even came out. With the advent of Sun and Moon we have CONFIRMED the existence of alternate universes, and that Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald exist in a universe/on a timeline separate from OR/AS, X/Y, and Sun and Moon. However, Shaked was keen to point out that OR/AS already has differences that we could have spotted in Generation 6 alone. Let me list a few more below, as cited from the "References to Other Generations" page on Bulbabedia itself. In the OR/AS references to RSE, the following can be found:
A Bug Catcher tells the player that he "heard that Pokémon Centers used to have two stories until 10 years ago" and had "a special area known as the Pokémon Cable Club". The last game to utilise this feature, Pokémon Emerald, was first released in 2004, 10 years before the remakes were released.
A man at Mt. Pyre mentions how there used to be holes in the floor, a thing that was true in Generation III.
When the player shows Norman the Eon Ticket, he says that it has been 11 years since he last saw the ticket. Eon Ticket was originally distributed in 2003, 11 years before the remakes' release.
All of these are in game pieces of dialogue; lore inserted into the game to inform the player about the universe that they are roaming. These are direct references to the original Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald games, placing them as existing 10 to 11 years before the events of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. This suggests that the major events of OR/AS take place 10-11 years later than they do in RSE. Red and Blue from RBY have aged about that much (give or take two years) in Sun and Moon, and with the "Remake Rule" that Gen 1 games (RBY) and Gen 3 games (RSE) happened simultaneously because of Gen 3 remakes FR/LG, the idea of OR/AS taking place around this time makes sense (likely just before the events of Sun and Moon).
Another huge piece of evidence that links OR/AS with the time of X/Y: Wally. In Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, we see a mega evolution using Wally who grows to become a strong trainer. In Sun and Moon, we see Wally again, and he seems to have slightly aged. However, he has not aged 10 years like Red and Blue have (which would HAVE to be the case if OR/AS and RSE happened at the same time as the events of RBY). He’s only grown a bit taller, as if aged up two to three years or so to be a young teenager. We know from the official Sun and Moon concept art for Grimsley found in the collector's guide that Sun and Moon happen two years after B2W2 (and because of the tweet, X and Y as well). So that two years of growth into an adolescent make perfect sense. Besides the slight height difference, his design remains about the same. If OR/AS was parallel in time with RSE, then Wally would ALSO have to be 21 like Red and Blue in Sun and Moon, which is most definitely not the case. Now, some people believe that Wally could just not have grown due to his “disease” that he has. But if you look at the details to what his disease actually is, you realize that it’s most likely a respiratory disease, like asthma. We can infer this from the fact that when Wally and his family move to Verdanturf, a town that is remarked by residents to have exceptionally clean air, Wally’s health is said to greatly improve because of it. This doesn’t entirely rule out a genetic growth disease, but I doubt that anything affected by genetics will improve instantaneously with a change in air quality.
References to Kalos and its technology—most notably the model of Prism Tower from Lumiose City—link these games very solidly to X and Y. There are VERY few links to Kanto to be found in the Hoenn of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, so to assume that they are intrinsically related would be misled.
Also, Anabel, a character seen ONLY in Pokémon Emerald before Sun and Moon, was said to have been found on the shores of Alola about 10 years ago by Looker and Nanu after having been cast through an Ultra Wormhole. This matches up closely with the timeline evidence I presented above.
Finally, you should follow your own "Remake Rule" regarding OR/AS! If Gen 1 and Gen 3 events happen at the same time because of the Gen 1 remakes in Gen 3, and the same for Gen 2 and Gen 4, then the same should hold true for Gen 3 and Gen 6. Why make an exception to that pattern now? It only weakens the links for the other ones.
Combine that all with the confirmation of a split between mega and non-mega universes, and you have very convincing evidence that OR/AS is more closely linked to X/Y than R/B/Y, and that the events do not happen simultaneously.
Let's talk about that tweet "reference" that is used for the timeline. Not only has that tweet since been deleted, but it came out before any lore about parallel timelines existed in Pokémon. Now that this has been confirmed in Generation 7, this tweet looks very outdated, especially with the idea that X and Y exist in a universe separate from the games that it came before. Also, that official ordering says specifically RSE, and makes no mention of OR/AS. To assume they are the same is incorrect and baseless.
I'm really hoping that what I've presented here helps convince you to rethink your placement of OR/AS. [[User:AlmigthtyArceus|AlmigthtyArceus]] ([[User talk:AlmigthtyArceus|talk]]) 12:14, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
:This is an incredible analysis, but I do have one piece of information that kinda throws a wrench in it: Porygon. In Firered, its Pokédex entry implies that it was a ''very'' recently created Pokémon, based on the Pokédex's use of "the most advanced technologies", and not including "of its time" or any similar phrase that would indicate a particularly distant past. Meanwhile, its entry in Sun states that it was created "roughly 20 years ago". In other words, there's a 20-year gap between the Kanto games and the Alola ones. [[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 18:20, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
== Pokémon Colosseum and Pokémon Ranger ==
How do we know Colosseum and Ranger take place shortly after Generations 1 and 3, and subsequently, how do we know XD Gale of Darkness takes place about two years after Generations 2 and 4?
Also, do we know where the Ranger sequels fall on this timeline? [[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 08:13, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
== The timeskip between Generation II/IV and Generation V ==
I see that the page now states Generation V took place "At least three years after Generation II/Generation IV". Why is that? As far as I know, there was no information available about much time passed between Generation II/IV and Generation V.
--[[User:Scan|Scan]] ([[User talk:Scan|talk]]) 21:55, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:Generation VII takes place at least 10 years after Emerald, because of the amount of time [[Anabel]] has been in Alola. All the other gaps have a canonical length, so when you add it all up{{tt|*|3 years from III-IV, 2 years from BW to B2W2 and VI, 2 years from VI to VII}}, the gap from IV to V can be no less than three years. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:46, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
== More on alternate timelines ==
Doesn't the stuff with Anabel in Sun/Moon further imply the alternate timeline/reality thing? [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 16:54, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
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